• Re: Ancestry of Bridget Robinson Wife of Rev. John Robinson - White - S

    From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Feb 23 09:06:51 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
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    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
    Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569

    While looking at this Porter family I've just noticed this will which I had not indexed prior

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lincolnshire_Wills_A_D_1500_1600/zuhMAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=porter%20of%20belton&pg=PA94&printsec=frontcover

    Jane Porter married Rowland Sherard of Lobthorpe
    I had not had this son Francis in my database

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to jason...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 23 08:47:24 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
    mode/2up
    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210

    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Feb 23 09:11:16 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
    mode/2up
    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
    Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569

    Right, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 09:22:24 2023
    I have accumulated a ton of information on this Smith (Smythe) family of Withcote, but so far I can't find any reference to a daughter Helen or Ellen in this time period. Unfortunately.

    Her are some more sources

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7695305

    http://books.google.com/books?id=A0v1LbDZHpgC&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false

    http://books.google.com/books?id=L58RAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA212&dq=smith+of+withcotes

    http://books.google.com/books?id=WNcpAAAAYAAJ&lr=&as_brr=3&rview=1&pg=PA263 DNB, "Barnham, Benedict (1559-1598)"
    Calling his wife Alice, and her father "Humphrey Smith, Queen Elizabeth's silkman"

    http://books.google.com/books?id=mtTeqIr8_SsC&pg=PA5&dq=smith+of+withcotes

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_the_County_of_Leiceste/Lr4KAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA66&printsec=frontcover&dq=smythe
    Vis Leic 1619 "Smith al's Harris"

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Thu Feb 23 09:24:33 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:11:18 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/
    n9/mode/2up
    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
    Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
    Right, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcover

    The 1536 will of Roger Radclyff, second husband of Catherine (Ashby) Smith, says ...

    "Item. I will that Awsten Portar, of Belton, in co. Lincoln, have the ward and marriage of William Turpyn, ... to marry to one of his daughters ..."

    Also, he makes Awsten Portar an executor.

    It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Thu Feb 23 09:29:27 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:24:35 AM UTC-8, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:11:18 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/
    page/n9/mode/2up
    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
    Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
    Right, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcover
    The 1536 will of Roger Radclyff, second husband of Catherine (Ashby) Smith, says ...

    "Item. I will that Awsten Portar, of Belton, in co. Lincoln, have the ward and marriage of William Turpyn, ... to marry to one of his daughters ..."

    Also, he makes Awsten Portar an executor.

    It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.

    Oh I don't have his will
    Do you have a link to the transcription?

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 09:55:30 2023
    And I had already known that Augustine Porter and his wife Ellen were married *by* (not in) 1523
    So Augustine was his step-son-in-law, then, so that makes sense now.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Feb 23 09:42:46 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:29:29 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:24:35 AM UTC-8, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:11:18 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.

    1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
    2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
    3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
    4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
    5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
    6. Robert Bellingham ?

    John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/
    page/n9/mode/2up
    The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
    You can add to your sources

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791

    which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
    Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
    Right, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcover
    The 1536 will of Roger Radclyff, second husband of Catherine (Ashby) Smith, says ...

    "Item. I will that Awsten Portar, of Belton, in co. Lincoln, have the ward and marriage of William Turpyn, ... to marry to one of his daughters ..."

    Also, he makes Awsten Portar an executor.

    It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.
    Oh I don't have his will
    Do you have a link to the transcription?


    Got it

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Item.%20I%20will%20that%20Awsten%20Portar%2C%20of%20Belton&pg=PA151&printsec=frontcover

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  • From jasonjquick@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 26 17:19:40 2023
    Thanks for the new info Will and JB.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to jason...@gmail.com on Fri Mar 3 05:35:14 2023
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:19:42 PM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:

    Thanks for the new info Will and JB.

    I can't remember if this was touched on specifically but
    Katherine Porter
    married *firstly* to William Smythe of Honington, co Linc Will dated 31 Jan 1552-3, proved 25 Jul 1556
    by whom Augustine Smythe heir and "Aet 13" 1556 d.s.p.
    William /Smythe/ of Honington Second son and "aet 14" 1558; heir of his brother

    When Williams' will was proved, Katherine was then living at Carlton-le-Moreland 1556

    She *then* married Thomas /Disney/ of Carlton-le-Moorland
    Heir "aet 48 and more" 1558
    by whom
    Edward /Disney/ of Carlton-le-Moorland and of Somerton Castle (purchased)
    first son d 7 Sep 1595 "aet 45"

    You can see by the ages of her children that disney was the second husband, even without regard to any other source

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  • From jasonjquick@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 16:54:09 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:24:35 AM UTC-7, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.

    I looked into the Ashby Line looks like there are also possible de Vere and Zouch connections

    1. Richard Ashby of Welby and Lubbersthorpe b. abt 1338 m. Agnes Bredon d. of William de Bredon and Margaret la Zouche of Lubbersthorpe daughter and heir of Roger la Zouche d. 1353 and Maud. Richard’s mother may have been a kinswoman of John Villiers
    of Brokesby, Melton (Mowbray)
    2. Thomas Ashby Sr. d. abt. 1435, of Lowesby & Lubbersthorpe, Leics. = m. Joan Burdet of da. and h. of John Burdet of Lowesby
    3. Thomas Ashby Jr. m. 1. Margaret Vere dau. of Robert Veer d. 1442 2. Elizabeth
    4. William Ashby of Lowesby b. abt.1427 m. 1. Agnes, da. of Sir Richard Illingworth 2. Ellen
    5. William Ashby b. abt. 1470 of Lowesby m. abt. 1492 Agnes Poultney da. of Sir Thomas Pulteney of Misterton, Leics
    6. Catherine Ashby b. bef. 1480 m. 1. William Smyth of Withcote = 2. Roger Radclyffe

    Sources

    1. Richard Ashby of Welby and Lubbersthorpe b. abt 1338 m. Agnes Bredon d. of William de Bredon and Margaret la Zouche of Lubbersthorpe daughter and heir of Roger la Zouche d. 1353 and Maud. Richard’s mother may have been a kinswoman of John Villiers
    of Brokesby, Melton (Mowbray)

    Rogerus la Zouche Matildis uxor 1st Wife Foelicia uxor 2nd Wife, Willielmus la Zouche, miles , filius et haeres, Johannes de S. Andrea miles , Margareta soror et cohaeres uxor Willielmi Bredon, Johanna uxor Marmaduci Constable
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Nottinghamshire_Begun/iE8cAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Marmaduci%20Constable%22

    1359 - De Banco Roll 400. Mich., 33 Edward III, 1359, m. 147, Leyc. Richard de Assheby, of Oleby (Welby) and Agnes, his wife, Laurence , son of John de Merdeleye, and Matilda, his wife, sisters and heirs of Ralph de Bredon, son and heir of William de
    Bredon, in a plea that he warrant them 2 messuages, 28 acres of land and 25. rent in Houton, which Agnes, who was the wife of William de Bredon, claims as dower against them.

    1375 CP 25/1/125/67, number 310. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: Three weeks from Easter, 49 Edward III [13 May 1375]. Parties: Robert Tebbe of Threngeston', querent, and Richard de Assheby of Oleby and Agnes, his wife, deforciants.
    Property: 1 messuage and 1 carucate of land in Threngeston'. (William de Bredon held of William de Ingwardeby 25 acres of land in Threngeston by the yearly service of 25. 6d. https://archive.org/details/calendarofinqu02grea/page/202/mode/2up?q=bredon&
    view=theater) Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Richard and Agnes have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Robert, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Agnes to him and his heirs for ever. Warranty: Warranty.
    For this: Robert has given them 100 marks of silver. Image of document at AALT

    1381-1399 - Richard Assheby squire of Welby in 1381. Welby remained with the Assheby family, and was settled with eight messuages in Welby by Richard de Assheby and his wife Agnes on William Assheby (b. 1372 l. 1428) and his wife Joan in 1399. Fenwick (
    ed.), Poll Taxes, 603–4. Farnham, Medieval Village Notes, IV, 273 citing Fine, 22 Richard II.

    1392 Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 73, 120 ROBERT DE SWILLYNGTON, knight LEICESTER. Inq. taken at Leycestre, Saturday after St Peter’s Chains, 15 Richard II. Lubbesthorp. A messuage and a virgate of land, with parcels of wood called
    Priourwode and Scheltonwod in the chase of Leycestre, whereof the messuage is held of Richard Assheby and his parceners, (co-heirs) lords of Lubbesthorp, by service of 5s. yearly, and the parcels of wood are held of the duke of Lancaster, service not
    known. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol17/pp48-65

    1399 - CP 25/1/126/70, number 84. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: The day after St John the Baptist, 23 Richard [II] [25 June 1399]. Parties: William de Assheby of Oleby and Joan, his wife, querents, and Richard de Assheby of Oleby and
    Agnes, his wife, deforciants. Property: The manor of Oleby and 8 messuages in Oleby. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Richard and Agnes have granted to William and Joan the manor and messuages and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to
    William and Joan and the heirs of the body of William, of Richard and Agnes and the heirs of Agnes for ever, rendering yearly 1 rose at the feast of the Nativity of St John the Baptist, and doing to the chief lords all other services. In default of such
    heirs, the manor and messuages shall revert to Richard and Agnes and the heirs of Agnes, quit of the other heirs of William, to hold of the chief lords for ever. For this: William and Joan have given them 100 marks of silver. Image of document at AALT

    2. Thomas Ashby Sr. d. abt. 1435, of Lowesby & Lubbersthorpe, Leics. = m. Joan Burdet of da. and h. of John Burdet of Lowesby

    The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421, ed. J.S. Roskell, L. Clark, C. Rawcliffe., 1993 https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/ashby-thomas-1435

    1395 - Under Will’us La Zouche de Haryngworth Miles - Babbegrave, Dalby, et Bernesby (Baggrave , Dalby , and Barsby) dimid’ feod’ vocat BurdettysFee per Thomam Asheby de Louseby

    1425 - Nov 6th. Lease of the third part of the manor of Lubbesthorp' from Robert Cunstable of Holme in Spaldyngmore to Thomas Assheby of Lowesby the elder for the term of his life and two hundred years beyond, for a hundred shillings a year, from which
    Robert undertakes to pay thirty shillings a year to Katherine relict (widow) of Marmaduke Cunstable his father during her life. Among the witnesses is Thomas Assheby the younger. Armorial seal of Robert: Quarterly () and vair, a bend. Counterpart of
    preceding. Armorial seal of Thomas 'Asschy': two bars.

    1428 De Thoma Assheby pro quarta parte un. f. m. quam tenet in WHATTON, et quam Willelmus Bredon nuper tenuit ibidem etc. Subsidium, xx. d.

    1428 - De Thoma Assheby de Lowseby pro tercia parte un. f. m. in LOWESBY, et quam Johannes Burdet quondam tenuit ibidem, etc. Subsidium , ij.s. ij. d. ob. qa.
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Inquisitions_and_Assessments_Relating_to/wSkMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Willelmus+Bredon%22&pg=PA120&printsec=frontcover

    1433 - Feoffment by Thomas Assheby of Lobesthorp, the elder, of Ralf Assheby his son, and Isabel, Ralf's wife, in a third part of the manor of Lobesthorp; to be held in free marriage, with reversion to himself in default of their having issue. Hiis
    testibus: Roberto Moton milite; W^illelmo Trussell milite; Thoma Fowlehyrst armigero; Baldewino Bugg' armigero; Eicardo Danet armigero. Lobesthorp, 28 Jan. 11 Hen. VI [1432/3]. Armorial seal of Thomas: Two bars.

    1437 CP40/705 f 862 Leics debt Assheby, Thomas, senior, of Lubbesthorp, executors of; (Assheby, Joan; Assheby, Thomas; Assheby, Ralph) Berkeley, Isabel, widow of Berkeley, John, knight, administrators of; (Bowes, John, of Cortlyngstoke, Notts, gent;
    Dyngdale, Richard, of Wymondham, clerk; Chedlowe, Richard, of Thorp juxta Wymondham, yeoman; Gentylwoman, John, servant of Isabel Berkeley, of Leicester, gentlewoman) http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no705/aCP40no705fronts/IMG_0862.htm

    1434 CP 25/1/126/75, number 30. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: The day after St John the Baptist, 12 Henry VI [25 June 1434]. Parties: Thomas Assheby the younger, querent, and Thomas Assheby of Lubbesthorp' the elder and Joan, his wife,
    deforciants. Property: The manor of Louseby and 1 and a half bovates of land and a rent of 2 capons in Neweton' Burdette. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Thomas Assheby the elder and Joan have granted to Thomas Assheby the younger the manor, land
    and rent and have rendered them to him in the court, to hold to Thomas Assheby the younger and the heirs of his body, of Thomas Assheby the elder and Joan and the heirs of Joan, rendering yearly to Thomas Assheby the elder and Joan for the lives of
    Thomas and Joan 13 pounds sterling, to wit, 4 pounds, 6 shillings and 8 pence at each of the feast of St Michael the Archangel, the feast of the Purification of the Blessed Mary and the feast of Pentecost, and doing to the chief lords all other services
    for ever. In default of such heirs, the manor, land, and rent shall revert to Thomas Assheby the elder and Joan and the heirs of Joan, to hold of the chief lords for ever. For this: Thomas Assheby the younger has given them 200 marks of silver.

    1444 - CP40/732 d 1270 Leics debt Assheby, Thomas, senior, of Lowesby, executor of; (Assheby, Thomas, junior) Danet or Davet, John, of Gaddesby, esq; Pontrell, Geoffrey, of Ratcliff, gent; Farnham, Thomas, of Querndon, gent http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/
    H6/CP40no732/bCP40no732dorses/IMG_1270.htm

    1446 - CP40/740 - D 1576 Leics debt Assheby, Thomas, of Lokesthorp, executors of; (Assheby, Joan, formerly wife of Thomas; Assheby, Thomas, of Lowesby; Assheby, Ralph, of Lokesthorp) St Andrew, Thomas de, of Gotham, Notts, gent http://aalt.law.uh.edu/
    AALT1/H6/CP40no740/bCP40no740dorses/IMG_1576.htm

    3. Thomas Ashby Jr. m. 1. Margaret Vere dau. of Robert Veer d. 1442 2. Elizabeth

    Margaret was the daughter of Robert Veer (d.1420), of Thrapston, Northants. and Lubenham, Leics. https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/veer-robert-1420#ASHBYT1386

    Endenture fait entre Robert Vere de Addington le Grand d'une part, & Thomas Asheby de Lovesby d'autre part CESTE Endenture, fait perentre Robert Vere de Addington le Grand d'une part, & Thomas Asheby de Lovesby d'autre part, Tesmoigne, que Thomas fits &
    heyre audit Thomas prendra à femme Margarete la fille l'avantdit Robert sur tiells conditions, que le dit Thomas Pere enfeoffera le dit Thomas son fitz & Mar­garete la fille à dit Robert en terres & tenements à la valeur de dix livres en la Counte de
    Leycester, en soissante jours apres le jour d'esponsailles, à eux & à leurs heyrs de leurs deux corps engendres. Et le dit Robert donnera audit Thomas le Pere pour le dit mariage deux cents marcs, à payer au jour d'esponsailles quarante marcs, & le
    rema­nent comme appert par quatre obligations perentre eux fait. Et si issint aveigne que la dite Margaret devie devant aucun jour du payment, que adonc le payment du obligation ou obligations nient encurruz cessera ou cesserount. Et le dite Thomas le
    Pere voet & grante par icest, que'il ne alienera mye nulles terres ou tenements à luy descenduz de sa part, & du part le Mere le dit Thomas fitz, entaunt que en luy est, si non qu'il lessera audit Thomas le fitz terres & tenements à la value en Fee-
    simple. Et le dit Robert voet & graunte par icest que si l'avantdit Thomas le Pere performe touz les conditions de sa part en icest Endenture conteinuz, que adonques un obliga­tion de deux cents livres à icest Robert faitz par l'avantdit Thomas le Pere
    soit tenuz pur nulle. Et le dit Thomas voet & grante par icest, que si l'avantdit Robert per­forme touz les conditions de sa part en icest Endenture conteinuz, que adonques un obligation de deux cents livres à icest Thomas faits par l'avantdit Robert
    soit tenuz pur null. En tesmoignance de quelles les dits parties enterchangeablement ount mis lour Seaulx. Donné le quart jour de Julii, l'an le Roy Henry quint puis le Con­quest prime.
    https://ota.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/repository/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12024/A54500/A54500.html?sequence=5&isAllowed=y

    Carta Richardi Vere. OMnibus Christi fidelibus ad quos hoc praesens Scriptum Indentatum pervenerit, Richardus Vere de Thrapston in Comitatu Northamptoniae salutem in Domino. Cùm Robertus Vere de Addington in Comitatu praedicto Avunculus mei praedicti RiÂ
    ­chardi, cujus Haeres ego sum, nuper per Cartam suam Indentatam, cujus Data est a­pud Addington vicesimo die Maii, Anno Regni Regis Henrici quinti post Conquestum octavo, dederit & concesserit Thomae Asheby & Margaretae Uxori ejus Manerium de Addington
    magna cum pertinentiis in Addington praedicta & Wodeford, unà cum ad­vocatione [Page 289]Ecclesiae de Islip in Comitatu praedicto, ac Manerium de Hokenhanger in Pa­rochia de Kympton cum pertinentiis in Comitatu Hertfordiae, Habenda & tenenda Maneria
    praedicta simul cum advocatione Ecclesiae praefatis Thomae & Margaretae & Haeredibus de Corporibus ipsorum Thomae & Margaretae exeuntibus, prout in prae­dicta Carta eis inde confectis pleniùs apparet: Noveritis me praefatum Richardum Consanguineum &
    Haeredem praefati Roberti, cui reversiones Maneriorum praedictorum pertinent, pro eo quòd dicta Margareta mortua est fine Haerede de Corporibus dicto­rum Thomae & Margaretae exeunte, ratificâsse, approbâsse & confirmâsse praedicto Thomae statum quem
    dictus Thomas habet in Manerio de Hokenhanger praedicta ratio­ne donationis & concessionis praedictarum ad terminum vitae suae absque impetitione vasti. In cujus rei testimonium utrique parti hujus Scripti Indentati praefatus Richardus Sigillum suum
    apposuit. Dat' ultimo die Decembris, Anno Regni Regis Henrici Sexti post Conquestum Angliae vicesimo nono. SIGILLVM RICARDI DE VER https://ota.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/repository/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12024/A54500/A54500.html?sequence=5&isAllowed=y

    1420 - CP 25/1/179/92, number 45. County: Northamptonshire. Place: Westminster. Date: One week from Holy Trinity, 8 Henry [V] [9 June 1420]. Parties: Baldwin Veer, querent, and Thomas Assheby of Louseby in the county of Leicester, gentleman, the younger
    and Margaret, his wife, deforciants. Property: The manor of Trapston' [sic]. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Thomas and Margaret have acknowledged the manor to be the right of Baldwin, and have remised and quitclaimed it from themselves and the
    heirs of Margaret to him and his heirs for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: Baldwin has given them 100 marks of silver.

    1420 - CP 25/1/179/92, number 45. County: Northamptonshire. Place: Westminster. Date: One week from Holy Trinity, 8 Henry [V] [9 June 1420]. Parties: Baldwin Veer, querent, and Thomas Assheby of Louseby in the county of Leicester, gentleman, the younger
    and Margaret, his wife, deforciants. Property: The manor of Trapston' [sic]. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Thomas and Margaret have acknowledged the manor to be the right of Baldwin, and have remised and quitclaimed it from themselves and the
    heirs of Margaret to him and his heirs for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: Baldwin has given them 100 marks of silver.

    1442 - Sir RICHARD de VERE, first of that Name, Lord of Thrapston, Addington, and other Lands and Lordships. Indentura inter Thomam Asheby & Richardum de Vere. THis Indenture made betwix Thomas Asheby of Louesby in the County of Leicester Squyre on the
    on Party, and Richard Vere of Thrapston in the County of North­hampton on t' other Party, Beareth witness, That where debate, stryfe and discord weren between the said Partyes for the Mannor of Mikle Addington, with the Appurtenance in Addington and
    Wodeford, togedere with the advowson of the Church of Islip in the County of Northampton aforesaid, and the Mannor of Hokenhanger in the Parish of Kympton in the County of Hertford; the which Mannor the said Thomas claym­eth to hold this of his life be
    a Feoffement made be Robert Vere Squyer to the said Tho­mas and Margaret his Wyfe, and to the Heyres of theyr Bodies lawfully begotten; for the which debate, stryfe, and discorde be mediation of gode friends the foresaid Thomas is agreed and accorded,
    that he shall release all the Right, Estate and Clayme that he hath or claymeth for to have in the Mannor of Addington abovesaid with the appurte­nances, togedere with the advowson of the Church of Islip, to the said Richard and to his Heyres for
    evermore. And also the foresayd Richard is accorded shall confirm the Estate of the said Thomas terme of his life in the Mannor of Hokenhanger aforesayd without appeachment of Wast. Also the said Thomas graunteth, That all those haven any Estate in the
    said Mannors be hym, sholen release to the sayd Richard and to his Heyres all the Estate and the Right that they have in the Mannor of Addington abovesayd. Also the said Thomas graunteth, That he shall deliver to the sayd Richard and to his Heyres all
    the Estate and the Right that they have in the Mannor of Addington abovesayd. Also the sayd Thomas graunteth, That he shall deliver to the sayd Richard a Dede, be the whych Robert Vere graunted an Annuitye of five Marcks owte of Thrapston to the sayd
    Thomas and Margaret his Wife, and all other Dedes the whych that he hath touchyng the Inhe­ritance of the sayd Richard. Also the sayd Richard shall pay to the sayd Thomas twenty Pounds at the same day that the sayd Thomas and his Feoffees shall release
    theyr Estate and Right that they haven in the Mannor of Addington with the appurtenances, toge­dere with the advowson of the Church of Islip abovesayd, to the sayd Richard and to his Heyres for evermore. Also the sayd Richard Vere and Richard Prittes
    shall be bounden to the sayd Thomas in an Obligation of an hundred Pounds to be payd at Martlemas next comeyng; to the whych Covenants on the partye of the foresayd Thomas well and truely to be performed, the foresayd Thomas byndeth him to the foresayd
    Richard in an hundred Pounds to be payd in the Feste of Pasche next comeyng. In witnessing of the whych things to this part of the Indenture with the foresayd Richard remayning the sayd Thomas hath set to his Seal. Yeven in the Feste of Saint Hilarie the
    Yere of the Raigne of King Henry the Sixth after the Conquest the twentyeth. quint puis le Con­quest prime.
    https://ota.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/repository/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12024/A54500/A54500.html?sequence=5&isAllowed=y

    1442 - Carta Thomae Asheby. OMnibus Christi fidelibus ad quos praesens Scriptum pervenerit, Thomas Asheby de Louesby in Comitatu Leicestriae Armiger
    salutem in Domino sempiternam. Cùm Robertus Vere Armiger, Avunculus Richardi Vere, cujus Haeres ipse est, nuper per Cartam suam, cujus Datum est vicesimo die Maii Anno Regni Regis Henrici quinti post Conquestum octavo, dederit & concesserit & per dictam
    Cartam suam confirma­verit mihi praefato Thomae & Margaretae Uxori meae Manerium suum de Addington in Comitatu Northamptoniae cum omnibus suis pertinentiis, nec non omnia Terras & Tenementa, Prata, Pascua & Pasturas, redditus, reversiones & servitia cum
    omnibus suis pertinentiis in Villis & Campis de Wodeford & Islip in Comitatu praedicto, simul cum advocatione Ecclesiae de Islip praedicta, ac etiam Manerium suum de Hokennhanger in Parochia de Kympton in Comitatu Hertfordiae, cum omnibus Inclusis,
    Pratis, Pas­cuis & Pasturis, Aquis, Piscariis & omnibus aliis suis pertinentiis, Habenda & tenenda omnia praedicta Maneria, Terras, Tenementa, redditus & servitia cum omnibus suis pertinentiis, simul cum advocatione dictae Ecclesiae praefatis Thomae &
    Margaretae Uxori suae & Haeredibus de Corporibus eorum legitimè procreatis de Capitalibus Do­minis Feodorum illorum per servitia inde debita & de jure consueta, prout in praedicta Carta pleniùs apparet: Noveritis me praefatum Thomam, pro eo quòd
    praedicta Mar­gareta Uxor mea mortua est fine Haerede de Corporibus ipsius Margaretae & mei praefati Thomae legitimè procreato, remisisse, relaxâsse, & omnino pro me & Haeredibus meis imperpetuum quietem clamâsse dicto Roberto in sua plena
    possessione Manerii de Ad­dington praedicti cum suis pertinentiis, ac omnium Terrarum & Tenementorum, Pra­torum, Pascuorum & Pasturarum, reddituum, reversionum & servitiorum cum om­nibus suis pertinentiis in Villis & Campis de Wodeford & Islip
    praedictis, simul cum ad­vocatione Ecclesiae de Islip praedicta, existenti, Haeredibus & Assignatis suis imperpetuum, totum jus & clameum, titulum & demandam quae habui, habeo, vel quovis modo ha­bere potero in futurum de & in praedicto Manerio de
    Addington praedicta cum suis pertinentiis, ac de & in omnibus Terris & Tenementis, Pratis, Pascuis & Pasturis, redditibus, reversionibus & servitiis cum omnibus suis pertinentiis in Villis & Campis de Wodeford & Islip praedictis, simul cum advocatione
    Ecclesiae de Islip praedicta; Ita videlicet, quòd nec ego praedictus Thomas nec Haeredes mei, nec aliquis alius pro no­bis seu nomine nostro, aliquod jus vel clameum seu demandam aut proprietatem de & in praedicto Manerio de Addington cum suis
    pertinentiis, ac de & in omnibus Terris & Tenementis, Pratis, Pascuis & Pasturis, Redditibus, Reversionibus & Servitiis cum [Page 288]omnibus suis pertinentiis in Villis & Campis de Wodeford & Islip praedictis, simul cum advocatione Ecclesiae de Islip
    praedicta, nec in aliqua parcella eorundem de caetero exi­gere, clamare vel vindicare seu demandare poterimus nec debemus quovis modo in fu­turum, sed ab omni actione Juris vel clamei, tituli seu demandae simus penitus exclusi imperpetuum. In cujus rei
    testimonium huic praesenti Scripto meo Sigillum meum apposui. Dat' ultimo die Mensis Januarii, Anno Regni Regis Henrici Sexti post Con­questum Angliae vicesimo.
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    1461 - CP 25/1/294/74, number 4. County: Leicestershire. Derbyshire. Place: Westminster. Date: One week from St Martin, 1 Edward IV [18 November 1461]. Parties: William Smyth', the vicar of the church of Lowesby, querent, and Thomas Asshby, esquire, and
    Elizabeth, his wife, Richard Illyngworth' and Thomas Palmer, deforciants. Property: The manor of Lowesby, 24 messuages, 7 tofts, 2 mills, 54 virgates of land, 230 acres of meadow, 600 acres of pasture, 5 shillings and 1 halfpenny of rent and a rent of 3
    pounds of pepper in Lowesby, Neuton', Cosby, Longwhatton' and Baggraue in the county of Leicester and the manor of Chelerdeston', 10 messuages, 4 tofts, 48 virgates of land, 100 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture [and] 44 shillings of rent in
    Chelerdeston' in the county of Derby. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Thomas Asshby and Elizabeth, Richard and Thomas Palmer have acknowledged the manors, tenements and rent to be the right of William, as those which he has of their gift, and have
    remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Elizabeth to him and his heirs for ever. Warranty: Warranty against Edmund, abbot of Westminster, and his successors. For this: William has granted to Richard and Thomas Palmer the manor of
    Lowesby, 19 messuages, 5 tofts, the mills, 34 virgates of land, 100 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture and 5 shillings and 1 halfpenny of rent and the rent of 3 pounds of pepper in the vills of Lowesby and Baggraue and has rendered the same manor,
    tenements and rent to them in the court, to hold to Richard and Thomas Palmer for a term of 1 year, of the chief lords. And immediately after that term is completed the same manor, tenements and rent shall remain to William Asshby, the firstborn son of
    the aforesaid Thomas Asshby, and Agnes Illyngworth', daughter of the aforesaid Richard Illyngworth', and the heirs of their bodies, [to hold] of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, remainder to the aforesaid Thomas Asshby and his heirs.
    And William Smyth' has also granted to the aforesaid Thomas Asshby and Elizabeth the manor of Chelerdeston', 12 messuages, 4 tofts, 62 virgates of land, 200 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture and 44 shillings of rent in the vills of helerdeston',
    Cosby and Longwhatton' and have rendered the same manor and tenements to them in the court, to hold to Thomas Asshby and Elizabeth, without impeachment of waste, of the chief lords for the lives of Thomas Asshby and Elizabeth. And after the decease of
    Thomas and Elizabeth the same manor of Chelerdeston' and tenements shall remain to the aforesaid William Asshby and the heirs of William begotten by William on the body of the aforesaid Agnes, to hold of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs,
    remainder to the right heirs of the aforesaid Thomas Asshby. And besides William Smyth' has granted to the aforesaid Thomas Asshby 3 messuages, 2 tofts, 6 virgates of land, 30 acres of meadow and 400 acres of pasture in the vill of Neuton' and has
    rendered the same tenements to him in the court, to hold to Thomas Asshby, without impeachment of waste, of the chief lords for the life of Thomas Asshby. And after the decease of Thomas the same tenements shall remain to the aforesaid William Asshby and
    the heirs of William begotten by William on the body of the aforesaid Agnes, to hold of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, remainder to the right heirs of the aforesaid Thomas Asshby.

    1470 - Quitclaim from Robert Constable knight of his rights in a third part of Lubsthorp, 8 June, 10 Edw. IV. [1470]. Armorial seal: Impaling Quarterly ( ) and vair, a bend.

    4. William Ashby of Lowesby b. abt.1427 m. 1. Agnes, da. of Sir Richard Illingworth 2. Ellen

    1478 - CP 25/1/126/79, number 40. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: The day after St John the Baptist, 18 Edward IV [25 June 1478]. Parties: William Chauntry, dean of the college of the new work of Leycestr', William Grymmesby, esquire,
    William Moton', esquire, Robert Mome (or Robert Moine), clerk, and Thomas Kebeel, querents, and William Assheby, esquire, and Ellen, his wife, deforciants. Property:6 messuages, 100 acres of land, 20 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture and 40 acres of
    wood in Lobbesthorp' and a third part of the manor of Lobbesthorp'. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: William Assheby and Ellen have acknowledged the tenements and third part to be the right of William Chauntry, as those which the same William,
    William Grymmesby, William Moton', Robert and Thomas have of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Ellen to William Chauntry, William Grymmesby, William Moton', Robert and Thomas and the heirs of William
    Chauntry for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: William Chauntry, William Grymmesby, William Moton', Robert and Thomas have given them 200 pounds sterling.
    1479 - CP 25/1/126/79, number 38. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 18 Edward IV [27 January 1479]. Parties: William Assheby, esquire, and Thomas Kebeell', querents, and Henry Borough' and Margaret, his wife,
    deforciants. Property: 13 messuages, 160 acres of land, 40 acres of meadow and 100 acres of pasture in Wythecok'. (Withcote) Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Henry and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of William and have
    remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Margaret to William and Thomas and the heirs of William for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: William and Thomas have given them 100 marks of silver. http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/CP25no1/
    CP25_1_126/IMG_4154.htm
    1499 - Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII - RALPH ILLYNGWORTH. Writ 28 August, inquisition 18 October, 14 Henry VII. The said Ralph Illyngworth, esquire, suffered a recovery, Michaelmas Term, 19 Edward IV, to William Chauntre, dean of the church of
    Newark, Leicester, William Catesby, the younger, William Motton, William Assheby, Everard Feldynge, John Denton, Richard Harpur, Thomas Kebeell, Thomas Coton, William Wye and John Cheke, of inter alia the under-mentioned manor of Boney, by virtue of
    which recovery they were seised thereof in fee to the following use and intent, viz. as to the capital messuage of the said manor, nine messuages, sixteen virgates of land in Boney, parcel of the said manor, to the use of Richard Illyngworth, son of the
    said Ralph, and of Elizabeth Bowghton, daughter of Richard Bowghton, esquire, and of the heirs of the body of the said Richard, with remainder in default to the use of the right heirs of the said Ralph; and as to the residue of the said manor to the use
    of the said Ralph, for the term of his life, with remainder to the use of the said Richard and of the heirs of his body, with remainder in default to the use of the right heirs of Ralph; and after the said recovery the said William Chauntre, and others,
    died and the survivors, viz. Thomas Kebeell, William Assheby, Everard Feldyng, Thomas Cotton and William Wye were seised in Ralph’s life time, at his death, and are still seised, of the said manor in fee, by survivorship, to the uses aforesaid. The
    said Thomas Kebeell, William Assheby, Everard Feldynge, Thomas Coton and William Wye, were seised at his death, and long before, and are still seised, of the under-mentioned 200a. land in Hardwyk, in fee, by virtue of the said recovery, to the use of the
    said Richard, the son, and the said Elizabeth, his wife, and the heirs of Richard’s body, with remainder in default to the use of Ralph’s right heirs. They were also seised of the under-mentioned 342a. land in Hardwyke, in fee, to the same use. John
    Vavasour, one of the king’s justices of the common bench, Thomas Kebeell, serjeant-at-law, William Assheby, Everard Feldyng, Thomas Cotton and William Wye, were seised the day he died, and long before, and are still seised of the under-mentioned manor
    of Stanford, in fee, to his use for life, with remainder to the use of Richard, the son, and the heirs of his body, with remainder to Ralph’s right heirs. He died 1 August, 13 Henry VII; the said Richard Illingworth, aged 30 and more, is his son and
    heir. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-vol2/pp67-103

    1500 - C. Series II. Vol. 14. (90.) 334. WILLIAM ASSHEBY, esquire. Writ 26 January, inquisition 10 May, 15 Henry VII. Long before his death he was seised of the under-mentioned manor and land, and, being so seised, enfeoffed Ralph Shyrley, knight,
    Thomas Pulteney, knight, Thomas Kebeell, serjeant at law, and William Smyth thereof, for the performance of his last will and they were and still are seised thereof accordingly. He died 14 January last past. William Assheby, aged 30 and more, is his son
    and heir. Cf. No. 252.

    1500 - E. Series II. File 897(a). (10.) 252. WILLIAM ASSHEBY, esquire. Writ 26 January, inquisition 29 April, 15 Henry VII. He was seised of the under-mentioned manor, &c. and, being so seised, gave them to William Assheby, his son, and Agnes, his wife,
    and the heirs of William’s body, and they were and still are seised thereof accordingly, viz. he in tail and she in her demesne as of free tenement. Date of death not stated. The same William Assheby, esquire, aged 30 and more, is his son and heir. Cf.
    No. 334. DERBY. Manor of Chelardeston, ten messuages, a mill, 300a. land, 100a. meadow, 40s. quit rent (liberi redditus), in Chelardeston and Osmondeston, worth 20 marks, held of the king, as of the honour of Tutbury, by reason of his duchy of Lancaster,
    by service of a quarter of a knight’s fee. Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 301-350', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII (London, 1915), pp. 197-223. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.
    uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-vol2/pp197-223 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 251-300', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII (London, 1915), pp. 169-197. British History Online http://www.british-history.
    ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-vol2/pp169-197

    5. William Ashby b. abt. 1470 of Lowesby m. abt. 1492 Agnes Poultney da. of Sir Thomas Pulteney of Misterton, Leics

    he History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1509-1558, ed. S.T. Bindoff, 1982 https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/ashby-william-1470-1543


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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 07:04:33 2023
    Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ? If not can we say BY 1338 ?
    He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Mar 9 07:39:59 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?
    If not can we say BY 1338 ?
    He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21

    Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
    Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
    The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Mar 9 08:24:13 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?
    If not can we say BY 1338 ?
    He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
    Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
    Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
    The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead
    Can I also suggest that 5 William Ashby was older?
    When "Ashby's Manor" was given to William Smythe and Catherine at their marriage "about 1492"
    it is also said that William Ashby had purchased that in 1479

    So I suggest this is 5 William and not his father 4 William and therefore 5 William was born by 1458

    Yes on 5 Willliam you cite HOP but HOP is not as bold as you are
    It says that 5 William was born BY 1470 not ABT
    And that he married Agnes BY 1492 not ABT

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Mar 9 08:15:28 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?
    If not can we say BY 1338 ?
    He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
    Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
    Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
    The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead

    Can I also suggest that 5 William Ashby was older?
    When "Ashby's Manor" was given to William Smythe and Catherine at their marriage "about 1492"
    it is also said that William Ashby had purchased that in 1479

    So I suggest this is 5 William and not his father 4 William and therefore 5 William was born by 1458

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Mar 9 08:37:42 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:24:14 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?
    If not can we say BY 1338 ?
    He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
    Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
    Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
    The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead
    Can I also suggest that 5 William Ashby was older?
    When "Ashby's Manor" was given to William Smythe and Catherine at their marriage "about 1492"
    it is also said that William Ashby had purchased that in 1479

    So I suggest this is 5 William and not his father 4 William and therefore 5 William was born by 1458
    Yes on 5 Willliam you cite HOP but HOP is not as bold as you are
    It says that 5 William was born BY 1470 not ABT
    And that he married Agnes BY 1492 not ABT


    OR disregarding all my last could it be that Catherine Ashby is actually the daughter of 4 William and it was *he* that gave Catherine to William Smythe in marriage with Ashby's Manor in 1492 (having purchased it in 1479).

    This would be chronologically more possible

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  • From jasonjquick@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Mar 9 16:47:19 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:37:44 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

    OR disregarding all my last could it be that Catherine Ashby is actually the daughter of 4 William and it was *he* that gave Catherine to William Smythe in marriage with Ashby's Manor in 1492 (having purchased it in 1479).

    This would be chronologically more possible

    Will I really appreciate all the corrections. I overlooked the 1479/date placement that I sourced. I am in agreement that 4. William is a much more likely candidate for the father of Catherine.

    1479 - CP 25/1/126/79, number 38. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 18 Edward IV [27 January 1479]. Parties: William Assheby, esquire, and Thomas Kebeell', querents, and Henry Borough' and Margaret, his wife,
    deforciants. Property: 13 messuages, 160 acres of land, 40 acres of meadow and 100 acres of pasture in Wythecok'. (Withcote) Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Henry and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of William and have
    remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Margaret to William and Thomas and the heirs of William for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: William and Thomas have given them 100 marks of silver. http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/CP25no1/
    CP25_1_126/IMG_4154.htm

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to jason...@gmail.com on Fri Mar 10 07:35:06 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:47:21 PM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:37:44 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

    OR disregarding all my last could it be that Catherine Ashby is actually the daughter of 4 William and it was *he* that gave Catherine to William Smythe in marriage with Ashby's Manor in 1492 (having purchased it in 1479).

    This would be chronologically more possible
    Will I really appreciate all the corrections. I overlooked the 1479/date placement that I sourced. I am in agreement that 4. William is a much more likely candidate for the father of Catherine.
    1479 - CP 25/1/126/79, number 38. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 18 Edward IV [27 January 1479]. Parties: William Assheby, esquire, and Thomas Kebeell', querents, and Henry Borough' and Margaret, his wife,
    deforciants. Property: 13 messuages, 160 acres of land, 40 acres of meadow and 100 acres of pasture in Wythecok'. (Withcote) Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Henry and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of William and have
    remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Margaret to William and Thomas and the heirs of William for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: William and Thomas have given them 100 marks of silver. http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/CP25no1/
    CP25_1_126/IMG_4154.htm

    Not to throw a worm into the soup but Leic. Ped. has this to say

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Leicestershire_Pedigrees_and_Royal_Desce/VpnC3wgof6gC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover

    WILLIAM DE ASHBY perhaps a son of John of Quenby was assessed 35 4d for a 12th part of a Knight's fee in Quenby in 1346 Rot Aux 20 Edw III His son THOMAS ASHBY in 1411 gave the advowson of Twyford and lands in Asford by to Kirkby Priory Inq ad qd damn
    EDMUND ASHBY of Quenby held a capital messuage and lands in Quenby in 1428 Ing pm His son THOMAS ASHBY of Quenby living 1442 and 1458 in 1467 held Lubbesthorpe manor Ing pm he m Katherine dau of William Hesilrige of Nosely See p 11 by whom he had issue



    The worm being that some Thomas here "held Lubbesthorpe manor" in 1467 by some unnamed IPM perhaps his own

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  • From jasonjquick@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Fri Mar 10 09:40:25 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:35:09 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
    Not to throw a worm into the soup but Leic. Ped. has this to say

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Leicestershire_Pedigrees_and_Royal_Desce/VpnC3wgof6gC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover

    WILLIAM DE ASHBY perhaps a son of John of Quenby was assessed 35 4d for a 12th part of a Knight's fee in Quenby in 1346 Rot Aux 20 Edw III His son THOMAS ASHBY in 1411 gave the advowson of Twyford and lands in Asford by to Kirkby Priory Inq ad qd damn
    EDMUND ASHBY of Quenby held a capital messuage and lands in Quenby in 1428 Ing pm His son THOMAS ASHBY of Quenby living 1442 and 1458 in 1467 held Lubbesthorpe manor Ing pm he m Katherine dau of William Hesilrige of Nosely See p 11 by whom he had issue



    The worm being that some Thomas here "held Lubbesthorpe manor" in 1467 by some unnamed IPM perhaps his own

    "William, son of Robert de Ashby, of Melton, who succeeded, by purchase or otherwise, John, son of John de Ashby, at Quenby, was the direct progenitor of the later Ashbys of Quenby. He had bought as early as 1325 a messuage, 4 virgates of land and 5s. 6d.
    rent in Quenby from John de Wilughby, of Leicester, and Matilda, his wife. This had been the estate in Quenby of the family calling itself " of Quenby ", of whom Matilda was the heiress. William de Ashby's name does not appear in the Lay Subsidy Roll of
    1327, unless, which is possible, he figures under the name of William de Melton, taxed at 3s. for lands in Quenby, nor in the Subsidy Roll of 1332, where William de Melton is taxed 10s. on his lands in Quenby, but in the Roll of Aids of the year 1346, on
    the aid then granted to the king on knighting Edward,

    It seems Thomas Ashby of Quenby L 1442 was the son of John (Ashby) Quenby gent. and grandson of Thomas Quenby Esquire who died in 1416.. Thomas' will https://archive.org/details/earlylincolnwil00gibbgoog/page/n121/mode/2up mentions a son John, brothers
    William and Thomas, and sisters Joan and Agnes. I think this line of the family came from the above Robert of Melton line.

    De Banco Roll 629. Easter, 8 Henry V, 1420, m. 250, Midd. Walter Lyndon, master of the hospital of Burton St. Lazars, was summoned to answer Bartholomew Brokesby, esq., in a plea of a bond by which Thomas Quenby (i.e., Ashby of Quenby) was bound to
    William Brokesby, esq., in £100 dated October, 14 Henry IV, 1412, at Westminster, which he delivered to the said Walter for safe custody, who now refuses to deliver it on demand. The sheriff returned that Thomas Quenby is dead. Whereupon Walter demands
    that Richard Hotoft, of Humberston, gent., Thomas Segrave, of Scalford, gent., John Quenby, of Quenby, gent., and John Baret, vicar of Hungerton church, executors of the will of the said Thomas Quenby, appear, and the sheriff ordered the said executors
    to appear at Michaelmas.

    De Banco Roll 636. Hilary, 7 Henry V, 1420, m. 331 d. Leic. The same executors of Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, v. Robert Ashby, of Melton Mowbray, merchant, in a plea of £11. De Banco Roll 707. Mich., 16 Henry VI, 1437,, m. 460, Leic. Thomas Asshby, of
    Quenby, and Sidonia, who was the wife of Thomas Gretham, esq., in a plea of having made waste of gardens, houses and lands which Thomas Asshby, the grandfather of the said Thomas Asshby, of Quenby, whose _ heir he is, demised to Sidonia for term of life
    in Houghton and Cold Neuton.

    De Banco Roll 729. Easter, 21 Henry VI, 1443, m. 343 d. Leic.Thomas Berkeley, esq., v. Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, gent., and John Brokesby, of Odeby, yeoman, in pleas of £8 each, which they owe him and detain.

    Lot of info on the Ashby's of Quenby in here. https://www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/QuenbypagesfromVolume16.pdf

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to jason...@gmail.com on Fri Mar 10 10:54:20 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:40:27 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:35:09 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
    Not to throw a worm into the soup but Leic. Ped. has this to say

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Leicestershire_Pedigrees_and_Royal_Desce/VpnC3wgof6gC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover

    WILLIAM DE ASHBY perhaps a son of John of Quenby was assessed 35 4d for a 12th part of a Knight's fee in Quenby in 1346 Rot Aux 20 Edw III His son THOMAS ASHBY in 1411 gave the advowson of Twyford and lands in Asford by to Kirkby Priory Inq ad qd
    damn EDMUND ASHBY of Quenby held a capital messuage and lands in Quenby in 1428 Ing pm His son THOMAS ASHBY of Quenby living 1442 and 1458 in 1467 held Lubbesthorpe manor Ing pm he m Katherine dau of William Hesilrige of Nosely See p 11 by whom he had
    issue



    The worm being that some Thomas here "held Lubbesthorpe manor" in 1467 by some unnamed IPM perhaps his own
    "William, son of Robert de Ashby, of Melton, who succeeded, by purchase or otherwise, John, son of John de Ashby, at Quenby, was the direct progenitor of the later Ashbys of Quenby. He had bought as early as 1325 a messuage, 4 virgates of land and 5s.
    6d. rent in Quenby from John de Wilughby, of Leicester, and Matilda, his wife. This had been the estate in Quenby of the family calling itself " of Quenby ", of whom Matilda was the heiress. William de Ashby's name does not appear in the Lay Subsidy Roll
    of 1327, unless, which is possible, he figures under the name of William de Melton, taxed at 3s. for lands in Quenby, nor in the Subsidy Roll of 1332, where William de Melton is taxed 10s. on his lands in Quenby, but in the Roll of Aids of the year 1346,
    on the aid then granted to the king on knighting Edward,

    It seems Thomas Ashby of Quenby L 1442 was the son of John (Ashby) Quenby gent. and grandson of Thomas Quenby Esquire who died in 1416.. Thomas' will https://archive.org/details/earlylincolnwil00gibbgoog/page/n121/mode/2up mentions a son John, brothers
    William and Thomas, and sisters Joan and Agnes. I think this line of the family came from the above Robert of Melton line.

    De Banco Roll 629. Easter, 8 Henry V, 1420, m. 250, Midd. Walter Lyndon, master of the hospital of Burton St. Lazars, was summoned to answer Bartholomew Brokesby, esq., in a plea of a bond by which Thomas Quenby (i.e., Ashby of Quenby) was bound to
    William Brokesby, esq., in £100 dated October, 14 Henry IV, 1412, at Westminster, which he delivered to the said Walter for safe custody, who now refuses to deliver it on demand. The sheriff returned that Thomas Quenby is dead. Whereupon Walter demands
    that Richard Hotoft, of Humberston, gent., Thomas Segrave, of Scalford, gent., John Quenby, of Quenby, gent., and John Baret, vicar of Hungerton church, executors of the will of the said Thomas Quenby, appear, and the sheriff ordered the said executors
    to appear at Michaelmas.

    De Banco Roll 636. Hilary, 7 Henry V, 1420, m. 331 d. Leic. The same executors of Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, v. Robert Ashby, of Melton Mowbray, merchant, in a plea of £11. De Banco Roll 707. Mich., 16 Henry VI, 1437,, m. 460, Leic. Thomas Asshby, of
    Quenby, and Sidonia, who was the wife of Thomas Gretham, esq., in a plea of having made waste of gardens, houses and lands which Thomas Asshby, the grandfather of the said Thomas Asshby, of Quenby, whose _ heir he is, demised to Sidonia for term of life
    in Houghton and Cold Neuton.

    De Banco Roll 729. Easter, 21 Henry VI, 1443, m. 343 d. Leic.Thomas Berkeley, esq., v. Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, gent., and John Brokesby, of Odeby, yeoman, in pleas of £8 each, which they owe him and detain.

    Lot of info on the Ashby's of Quenby in here. https://www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/QuenbypagesfromVolume16.pdf

    But I don't see how the descent of Lubbesthorpe could come to this specific Thomas I cited
    Unless the Leic. Ped. entry has put the right Thomas into the wrong line.

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  • From jasonjquick@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 21:13:22 2023
    But I don't see how the descent of Lubbesthorpe could come to this specific Thomas I cited

    Unless the Leic. Ped. entry has put the right Thomas into the wrong line. Yes that seems the case

    Francis Farnham thinks the Quenby and Lowesby lines spit from William and Robert the younger, sons of Robert de Assheby of Melton

    Farnham, G. Francis. (1925). Leicestershire medieval pedigrees
    Lowesby https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ucbk.ark:/28722/h27941c3q&view=1up&seq=69&q1=assheby Tree on next page
    Quenby https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=ucbk.ark:/28722/h27941c3q&view=1up&seq=92&q1=assheby

    I also found the IPM of William Smith https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-vol3/pp562-586 1165.WILLIAM SMYTH. Inquisition, virtute officii, 29 May, 23 Henry VII. He died 1 August last seised in fee of the under-mentioned manor of Withcok and lands there, and seised of the under-mentioned toft &c. in Foxton and messuages &c. in Glen Magna.
    William Smyth, aged 8 years and more, is his son and heir. LEICESTER. Manor of Withcok, and 40a. meadow, 40a. pasture and 9a. wood there, worth 20l., held of the king in chief, service unknown. A toft and 5 virgates of land in Foxton, worth 5 marks, held
    of the king, as of his duchy of Lancaster, service unknown. 2 messuages and 4 virgates of land in Glen Magna, worth 5 marks, held of Thomas, marquess of Dorset, as of the honor of Winchester, service unknown. Note in margin:—Rogerus Ratclyff et
    Katerina, uxor ejus, placitaverunt; Michaelis Recorda, anno xxiiij., rotulo —, ex parte rememoratoris thesaurarii. E. Series II. File 1116. Part I (14.)

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