On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:mode/2up
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210You can add to your sources
http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791
which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.mode/2up
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:mode/2up
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/n9/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210You can add to your sources
http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791
which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) as
Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:n9/mode/2up
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/page/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210You can add to your sources
http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791
which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) asRight, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):
Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcover
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:11:18 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:page/n9/mode/2up
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210You can add to your sources
http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791
which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) asRight, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):
Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcoverThe 1536 will of Roger Radclyff, second husband of Catherine (Ashby) Smith, says ...
"Item. I will that Awsten Portar, of Belton, in co. Lincoln, have the ward and marriage of William Turpyn, ... to marry to one of his daughters ..."
Also, he makes Awsten Portar an executor.
It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:24:35 AM UTC-8, Johnny Brananas wrote:page/n9/mode/2up
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:11:18 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Will Johnson wrote:
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:10:51 AM UTC-8, jason...@gmail.com wrote:
Has there been any research into the ancestry of Bridget (White) Robinson who married Rev. John Robinson? Looks like there is a possible connection to the Bellingham family.
1.Bridget (White) Robinson of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire (abt.1575-aft.1643) m. John Robinson
2. Bridget was the daughter of Eleanor (Smith) White of Honington, Lincolnshire(abt.1546-abt.1599) Eleanor m. Alexander White of Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire
3. Eleanor was the daughter of Katherine (Porter) Disney (abt.1520-1560) Katherine m. 1. Thomas Disney 2. William Smith of Belton, Lincolnshire
4. Katherine was the daughter of Augustine Porter of Belton, Lincolnshire (abt.1500-abt.1554) Augustine m. Ellen or Hellen
5. Augustine Jr. was the son of an Unknown Bellingham? (1460-) Unk. m. Augustine Porter Sr. of Markham, Nottinghamshire/
6. Robert Bellingham ?
John Robinson, Pastor of the Pilgrim Fathers: A Study of His Life and Times by Walter H. Burgess Will of Alexander White, father in law of John Robinson pg.20 , 21, 22 and see also pg. 23 https://archive.org/details/johnrobinsonpast00burguoft/
The visitation of the county of Lincoln in 1562-4 https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00cook/page/n210You can add to your sources
http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA791
which identifies the wife of Augustine Porter of Belton (died 17 Jun 1554) asRight, this is the somewhat noted family of Smith or Smyth ALIAS HERIZ of Withcote (or Withcock):
Ellen dau of Smith of Withcote d 2 Jul 1569
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_and_Papers_of_the_Architectural/e8oGAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22william+ashby%22+loseby+smythh&pg=PA167&printsec=frontcoverThe 1536 will of Roger Radclyff, second husband of Catherine (Ashby) Smith, says ...
"Item. I will that Awsten Portar, of Belton, in co. Lincoln, have the ward and marriage of William Turpyn, ... to marry to one of his daughters ..."
Also, he makes Awsten Portar an executor.
It seems pretty likely that Ellen (Smith), wife fo Augustine Porter, was a daughter of Catherine (Ashby) (Smith) Radclyff by her first husband.Oh I don't have his will
Do you have a link to the transcription?
Thanks for the new info Will and JB.
Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?
If not can we say BY 1338 ?
He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:Can I also suggest that 5 William Ashby was older?
Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
If not can we say BY 1338 ?
He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead
When "Ashby's Manor" was given to William Smythe and Catherine at their marriage "about 1492"
it is also said that William Ashby had purchased that in 1479
So I suggest this is 5 William and not his father 4 William and therefore 5 William was born by 1458
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
If not can we say BY 1338 ?
He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:40:01 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 7:04:35 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:Can I also suggest that 5 William Ashby was older?
Do you have a specific source for Richard Ashby being born in or about 1338 ?Also Margaret de Vere, the (first) wife of Thomas Ashby, herself d.s.p. between 1420 and 1426
If not can we say BY 1338 ?
He is acting on his own behalf in 1359, so aged 21 and more, but I don't think we can say he was exactly 21
Her heir was her uncle Baldwin
The manor of Addington was held to Thomas in right of his wife, for his life, but she was already dead
When "Ashby's Manor" was given to William Smythe and Catherine at their marriage "about 1492"
it is also said that William Ashby had purchased that in 1479
So I suggest this is 5 William and not his father 4 William and therefore 5 William was born by 1458Yes on 5 Willliam you cite HOP but HOP is not as bold as you are
It says that 5 William was born BY 1470 not ABT
And that he married Agnes BY 1492 not ABT
OR disregarding all my last could it be that Catherine Ashby is actually the daughter of 4 William and it was *he* that gave Catherine to William Smythe in marriage with Ashby's Manor in 1492 (having purchased it in 1479).
This would be chronologically more possible
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:37:44 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:deforciants. Property: 13 messuages, 160 acres of land, 40 acres of meadow and 100 acres of pasture in Wythecok'. (Withcote) Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: Henry and Margaret have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of William and have
OR disregarding all my last could it be that Catherine Ashby is actually the daughter of 4 William and it was *he* that gave Catherine to William Smythe in marriage with Ashby's Manor in 1492 (having purchased it in 1479).
This would be chronologically more possibleWill I really appreciate all the corrections. I overlooked the 1479/date placement that I sourced. I am in agreement that 4. William is a much more likely candidate for the father of Catherine.
1479 - CP 25/1/126/79, number 38. County: Leicestershire. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 18 Edward IV [27 January 1479]. Parties: William Assheby, esquire, and Thomas Kebeell', querents, and Henry Borough' and Margaret, his wife,
Not to throw a worm into the soup but Leic. Ped. has this to sayEDMUND ASHBY of Quenby held a capital messuage and lands in Quenby in 1428 Ing pm His son THOMAS ASHBY of Quenby living 1442 and 1458 in 1467 held Lubbesthorpe manor Ing pm he m Katherine dau of William Hesilrige of Nosely See p 11 by whom he had issue
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Leicestershire_Pedigrees_and_Royal_Desce/VpnC3wgof6gC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover
WILLIAM DE ASHBY perhaps a son of John of Quenby was assessed 35 4d for a 12th part of a Knight's fee in Quenby in 1346 Rot Aux 20 Edw III His son THOMAS ASHBY in 1411 gave the advowson of Twyford and lands in Asford by to Kirkby Priory Inq ad qd damn
The worm being that some Thomas here "held Lubbesthorpe manor" in 1467 by some unnamed IPM perhaps his own
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:35:09 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:damn EDMUND ASHBY of Quenby held a capital messuage and lands in Quenby in 1428 Ing pm His son THOMAS ASHBY of Quenby living 1442 and 1458 in 1467 held Lubbesthorpe manor Ing pm he m Katherine dau of William Hesilrige of Nosely See p 11 by whom he had
Not to throw a worm into the soup but Leic. Ped. has this to say
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Leicestershire_Pedigrees_and_Royal_Desce/VpnC3wgof6gC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA111&printsec=frontcover
WILLIAM DE ASHBY perhaps a son of John of Quenby was assessed 35 4d for a 12th part of a Knight's fee in Quenby in 1346 Rot Aux 20 Edw III His son THOMAS ASHBY in 1411 gave the advowson of Twyford and lands in Asford by to Kirkby Priory Inq ad qd
6d. rent in Quenby from John de Wilughby, of Leicester, and Matilda, his wife. This had been the estate in Quenby of the family calling itself " of Quenby ", of whom Matilda was the heiress. William de Ashby's name does not appear in the Lay Subsidy RollThe worm being that some Thomas here "held Lubbesthorpe manor" in 1467 by some unnamed IPM perhaps his own"William, son of Robert de Ashby, of Melton, who succeeded, by purchase or otherwise, John, son of John de Ashby, at Quenby, was the direct progenitor of the later Ashbys of Quenby. He had bought as early as 1325 a messuage, 4 virgates of land and 5s.
It seems Thomas Ashby of Quenby L 1442 was the son of John (Ashby) Quenby gent. and grandson of Thomas Quenby Esquire who died in 1416.. Thomas' will https://archive.org/details/earlylincolnwil00gibbgoog/page/n121/mode/2up mentions a son John, brothersWilliam and Thomas, and sisters Joan and Agnes. I think this line of the family came from the above Robert of Melton line.
De Banco Roll 629. Easter, 8 Henry V, 1420, m. 250, Midd. Walter Lyndon, master of the hospital of Burton St. Lazars, was summoned to answer Bartholomew Brokesby, esq., in a plea of a bond by which Thomas Quenby (i.e., Ashby of Quenby) was bound toWilliam Brokesby, esq., in £100 dated October, 14 Henry IV, 1412, at Westminster, which he delivered to the said Walter for safe custody, who now refuses to deliver it on demand. The sheriff returned that Thomas Quenby is dead. Whereupon Walter demands
De Banco Roll 636. Hilary, 7 Henry V, 1420, m. 331 d. Leic. The same executors of Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, v. Robert Ashby, of Melton Mowbray, merchant, in a plea of £11. De Banco Roll 707. Mich., 16 Henry VI, 1437,, m. 460, Leic. Thomas Asshby, ofQuenby, and Sidonia, who was the wife of Thomas Gretham, esq., in a plea of having made waste of gardens, houses and lands which Thomas Asshby, the grandfather of the said Thomas Asshby, of Quenby, whose _ heir he is, demised to Sidonia for term of life
De Banco Roll 729. Easter, 21 Henry VI, 1443, m. 343 d. Leic.Thomas Berkeley, esq., v. Thomas Assheby, of Qnenby, gent., and John Brokesby, of Odeby, yeoman, in pleas of £8 each, which they owe him and detain.
Lot of info on the Ashby's of Quenby in here. https://www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/QuenbypagesfromVolume16.pdf
But I don't see how the descent of Lubbesthorpe could come to this specific Thomas I cited
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