On Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 7:11:14 AM UTC+3, WJhonson wrote:
I got at least this part:
the wife of Henry Brailsford, by 1350, was named Joan. She was a Hastings. Her parents were John de Hastings and his wife Joan. John de Hastings was dead by 1336. His widow Joan was yet living in 1335.
The rest is a bit confused.
Will Johnson
John Hastang (I) and Eva his wife fl. 1314/5 (Plea Rolls 8 Edw. II SHC IX p.52) are presumably the same as the parents of Sir Thomas Hastang of Chebsey (C.P. VI 341-343) and Katharine Hastang, first wife of Ralph de Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford,
married c. 1326/7 (C.P. XII, part 1, 176). The biography of Sir John Hastang (I) is given in the footnote on pages 344-345 C.P. VI.
It appears that Sir John Hastang (I) had a younger son John Hastang (II) who was dead before Easter 1324 (Plea Rolls 17 Edw. II SHC IX p.100 & Plea Rolls 18 Edw. II SHC IX p.105).
It also appears that "Joan formerly wife of John de Hastang" was the wife of John Hastang (II) and that the same "Joan formerly wife of John le Strange" was also the wife, or close relation of, the wife of Joan de Hastang (II).
In the Trinity term, 1324: "Joan formerly wife of John son of John le (sic) Hastang sued William de Venables and Alice his wife for the third of two messuages, a carucate of land, forty acres of wood, and 10 marks of rent in Eccleshale and Penkrich as
her dower. William and Alice pleaded that Joan had no right to the dower claimed, because John de Hastang was not seised of the tenements at the time he married her, nor at any time afterwards, and they appealed to a jury, which is to be summoned for the
Octaves of St. Michael".
The gift of Humfrey Hastang, rector of Bradeley, to Joan who was the wife of Joan de Hastang of one-third of two parts of the manors of Blore and Grendon is dated 1332 (The Antiquities of Staffordshire, footnote p. 358).
The transcript in the post above of the Final Concord (SHC XI p.139) is incomplete. The full text from SHC is as follows:
"At York, on the Quindene of St. John the Baptist. 9 E. III. (8th July, 1335.) And afterwards recorded at York on the Octaves of St. Martin, 9 E. III. (18th November, 1335.)
Between Joan, formerly wife of John de Hastang, complainant, and Hugh Adam and Alice his wife, deforciants of a third part of two parts of the manors of Blore and Grendon, and the advowsons of the churches of Blore and Grendon. Hugh and Alice granted the
said third part and advowsons to Joan and her issue, and if she died s.p., to remain to John, son of the said Joan, and his issue, and failing such, to Thomas, brother of John, and his issue, and failing such, to Joan, sister of Thomas, and her heirs for
ever".
The original fine is available on AALT :
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/CP25(1)/CP25_1_210_13-18/IMG_0081.htm. I am uncertain about the transcription of "Adam".
The transcript in the post above of the plea roll from Michaelmas 1354 (Plea Rolls de Banco 28 Edw. III SHC XII p.129) is also incomplete. The relevant passage reads as follows:
"Henry de Braylesford, Chivaler, and Joan his wife, sued John de Hastang, Chivaler, for eight acres of meadow in Slyndon, in which he had no entry except by a demise which John, son of John de Hastang, the brother of the said Joan and whose heir she is,
had made to John de Hastang, of Chebuseye at fee farm, rendering yearly to the said John, son of John, and to his heirs the fourth part of the true value of the said meadow, and which should revert to them under the statute, the service for it not having
been rendered for two years".
The two plea rolls of 1335 and 1354 taken together make it clear that John Hastang (II) and his wife Joan had three children, John Hastang (III) dead before 1354, Thomas Hastang (not of Chebsey) who presumably died without issue and Joan Hastang, wife of
Henry de Brailsford and heir to her brother John Hastang (III).
Sir John Hastang of Chebsey mentioned in the 1354 suit was the son of Thomas Hastang of Chebsey (see above). Sir John Hastang of Chebsey married Blanche (C.P. VI 341-343). Sir John Hastang and his wife Blanche were involved in an assize case against John
Hastang (III), Henry de Brailsford and his wife Joan (Michaelmas 1352, SHC XII, p. 115). The full transcript reads:
"An assize, etc., if John, son of John de Hastang, the father of Joan, the wife of Henry de Braylesford was seised as of fee, etc., of sixteen acres of meadow in Chebbeseye, when he died, and which meadow was now held by John de Hastang, and Blanche his
wife. Henry and Joan appeared in person, and John and Blanche, by their attorney, John de Knygtele, and called to warranty John de Nayleston, clerk, who was to be summoned in co. Warwick. Henry and Joan stated that neither John de Nayleston, nor any of
his ancestors had even held the meadow in question after the seisin of the said John, son of John, from whom they claimed, and appealed to a jury. A jury found in favour of Henry and Joan, stating that the said John de Hastang was seised of the meadow
when he died, and that Joan was his nearest heir. Damages 20 marks".
The evidence that Joan formerly the wife of John le Strange was the wife of John Hastang (II) comes from (i) her acquisition of part of the interests in Blore and Grendon from Henry de Audley in 1314 (Plea Roll, Trinity 1314, SHC IX, p. 48) and (ii) the
fact that John Hastang (II) had an interest in Blore and Grendon giving rise to the actions for account by his executors against William Wodegrym, bailiff of John Hastang (II), son of John Hastang (I) (Plea Roll Easter 1324, SHC IX, p. 100; Plea Roll
Hillary 1325, SHC IX, p. 105).
The fly in the ointment is the entry from the Plea Rolls for Trinity 1325 (SHC IX, p. 107):
"Roger de Peulesdon and Constance (sic) his wife not prosecuting their writ of novel disseisin against Joan formerly wife of John le Estrange and William Wodegrym respecting tenements in Blore are in misericordia".
Unless the transcript is incomplete, it is curious that there is no reference at this date to Joan as the wife of John Hastang (II). There is no date given for the filing of the writ which was not prosecuted. I have not identified the John le Estrange
who died before 1314. This may provide an indication as to the age of Joan and whether she could have been the mother of the three children of John Hastang (II).
Other persons mentioned in the various cases cited are:
John de Audley of Blore (died 1279).
William de Audley (died before 1307) son of John, married (1) Constance who later married Roger de Peulesdon and (2) Eleanor.
Alan de Audley, son of William and Constance, died s.p. before 1311.
Margaret de Audley, daughter of William de Audley and Eleanor, married Laurence de Okeover.
Hugh de Okeover, presumably a son or heir of Laurence.
Hugh de Audley (fl. 1314) son of John, clerk of Blore.
Information on the Audley family is taken from the plea rolls cited in the original post, The parentage of James de Audley K.G. by Josiah Wedgwood (SHC IX, New Series, p. 260) and the Audley Family History Website (www.audleyfamilyhistory.com).
Humfrey de Hastang, rector of Bradley, fl. 1322. His relationship to the rest of Hastang family is not clear. It is also not clear how he came to hold one third of two parts of Blore and Grendon.
Hugh Adam (?) and Alice his wife. It is not clear how they came to hold one third of two parts of Blore and Grendon.
Richard Hastang fl. 1343, presumably a descendant of Sir Thomas Hastang of Chesney (held land in Slyndon).
William of Blore held Blore and Grendon in 1248/9. His heirs were his two daughters, Clementia and Eleanora. Clementia married William de Audley, father of John de Audley. (A Survey of Staffordshire: Containing the Antiquities of that County by Sampson
Erdeswicke, pp. 358-359). I have not been able to trace what became of Eleanor or her share in the estate.
Oliver Fowler
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