I have recently come across a charter where it mentions that Meaux abbey was given access to take stones from a Quarry in Ferriby, based on the family granting this, I suggest the quarry was in South Ferriby , Lincs. for the purpose of Meaux Abbey
building churches in the Town of Falaise. Charter Document - 05860318 Date: 1182 - 1197
https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/05860318/
John de Hessel ( Hessle), son of Ivo de Karkeni (Hessle, Yorkshire), who is a possible descendant of Anschetil of South Ferriby, see Ansketil ‘the man of Gilbert Tison’, fl. 1086 https://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=55039

I will post a full article on this family later, but I am hoping that someone might have information relating to the questions below.

General Questions:
1.Was there any connection of Meaux Abbey to Falaise, if so what families if any are know to be involved.
2. Curiously , the grant seems to mention "Eternal Stone" suggesting something harder than Chaulk, However, I can not find no mention of a Stone quarry there, unless prepared in a certain way chalk is a poor quality building stone (weathers quickly).
It may have been that the chalk from Hessle was used for foundations or as rubble in-fill for columns and walls. Maybe, however, it was prepared and used in the form of ashlar blocks for wall building. A good account of the use of chalk ashlar blocks in
building is given in Tyszka, Miller and Bryant (eds.) 1991, 168-169.

3. Was there another "Falaise", but located in England at that time , seems like a long way by sea to take to Falaise.

4. Was Falaise referred to as a "town" during this time period?

5. Was Ashlar blocks in use in Falaise?

Any suggestions are welcome..
Robert

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On 08-Feb-23 11:34 AM, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:

I have recently come across a charter where it mentions that Meaux abbey was given access to take stones from a Quarry in Ferriby, based on the family granting this, I suggest the quarry was in South Ferriby , Lincs. for the purpose of Meaux Abbey

building churches in the Town of Falaise. Charter Document - 05860318 Date: 1182 - 1197

https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/05860318/
John de Hessel ( Hessle), son of Ivo de Karkeni (Hessle, Yorkshire), who is a possible descendant of Anschetil of South Ferriby, see Ansketil ‘the man of Gilbert Tison’, fl. 1086 https://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=55039

I will post a full article on this family later, but I am hoping that someone might have information relating to the questions below.

General Questions:
1.Was there any connection of Meaux Abbey to Falaise, if so what families if any are know to be involved.
2. Curiously , the grant seems to mention "Eternal Stone" suggesting something harder than Chaulk, However, I can not find no mention of a Stone quarry there, unless prepared in a certain way chalk is a poor quality building stone (weathers quickly).

It may have been that the chalk from Hessle was used for foundations or as rubble in-fill for columns and walls. Maybe, however, it was prepared and used in the form of ashlar blocks for wall building. A good account of the use of chalk ashlar blocks in
building is given in Tyszka, Miller and Bryant (eds.) 1991, 168-169.

3. Was there another "Falaise", but located in England at that time , seems like a long way by sea to take to Falaise.

4. Was Falaise referred to as a "town" during this time period?

5. Was Ashlar blocks in use in Falaise?

Any suggestions are welcome..

It does not refer to Falaise in Normandy or to any town of the same name
- "apud falayse predicte ville" means literally "at the cliff of the
said town", i.e. a rocky site on the river bank at Hassle.

Peter Stewart


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Falaise Wikipedia

The Château de Falaise is a castle from the 12th-13th century, located in the south of the commune of Falaise ("cliff" in French) in the département of Calvados

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On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 3:26:45 AM UTC-4, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

On 08-Feb-23 11:34 AM, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:

I have recently come across a charter where it mentions that Meaux abbey was given access to take stones from a Quarry in Ferriby, based on the family granting this, I suggest the quarry was in South Ferriby , Lincs. for the purpose of Meaux Abbey

building churches in the Town of Falaise. Charter Document - 05860318 Date: 1182 - 1197

https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/05860318/
John de Hessel ( Hessle), son of Ivo de Karkeni (Hessle, Yorkshire), who is a possible descendant of Anschetil of South Ferriby, see Ansketil ‘the man of Gilbert Tison’, fl. 1086 https://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=55039

I will post a full article on this family later, but I am hoping that someone might have information relating to the questions below.

General Questions:
1.Was there any connection of Meaux Abbey to Falaise, if so what families if any are know to be involved.
2. Curiously , the grant seems to mention "Eternal Stone" suggesting something harder than Chaulk, However, I can not find no mention of a Stone quarry there, unless prepared in a certain way chalk is a poor quality building stone (weathers quickly).

It may have been that the chalk from Hessle was used for foundations or as rubble in-fill for columns and walls. Maybe, however, it was prepared and used in the form of ashlar blocks for wall building. A good account of the use of chalk ashlar blocks in
building is given in Tyszka, Miller and Bryant (eds.) 1991, 168-169.

3. Was there another "Falaise", but located in England at that time , seems like a long way by sea to take to Falaise.

4. Was Falaise referred to as a "town" during this time period?

5. Was Ashlar blocks in use in Falaise?

Any suggestions are welcome..

It does not refer to Falaise in Normandy or to any town of the same name
- "apud falayse predicte ville" means literally "at the cliff of the
said town", i.e. a rocky site on the river bank at Hassle.

Peter Stewart

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Thank you Peter, your always very helpful..thats what happens when one does not ask for a true translation from this fine group , I used two translators online and got Falaise..haha. it didnt make practical sense.

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Is *this* the same book?

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=MiYJAAAAIAAJ&pg=GBS.PR10&hl=en

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On 08-Feb-23 11:34 AM, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:

I have recently come across a charter where it mentions that Meaux abbey was given access to take stones from a Quarry in Ferriby, based on the family granting this, I suggest the quarry was in South Ferriby , Lincs. for the purpose of Meaux Abbey

building churches in the Town of Falaise. Charter Document - 05860318 Date: 1182 - 1197

https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/05860318/
John de Hessel ( Hessle), son of Ivo de Karkeni (Hessle, Yorkshire), who is a possible descendant of Anschetil of South Ferriby, see Ansketil ‘the man of Gilbert Tison’, fl. 1086 https://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=55039

I will post a full article on this family later, but I am hoping that someone might have information relating to the questions below.

General Questions:
1.Was there any connection of Meaux Abbey to Falaise, if so what families if any are know to be involved.
2. Curiously , the grant seems to mention "Eternal Stone" suggesting something harder than Chaulk, However, I can not find no mention of a Stone quarry there, unless prepared in a certain way chalk is a poor quality building stone (weathers quickly).

It may have been that the chalk from Hessle was used for foundations or as rubble in-fill for columns and walls. Maybe, however, it was prepared and used in the form of ashlar blocks for wall building. A good account of the use of chalk ashlar blocks in
building is given in Tyszka, Miller and Bryant (eds.) 1991, 168-169.

I didn't read through this before - the translation "eternal stone" is incorrect, the grant is for the monks of Meaux to take stone continually
or permanently ("imperpetuum"), i.e. without a fixed term to the grant.
No practicable stone is eternal, even granite erodes - and no-one has
yet built a diamond church that might withstand time and the elements
for longer.

The purpose here is for the monks to construct a lime kiln ("ad rogum faciendum) for building a stone church and some workshops ("ad ecclesiam lapideam et ceteras officinas suas edificandas"). The quarry may have
provided just limestone to make mortar in the kiln, rather than
structural stone.

Peter Stewart


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https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=MiYJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR27


Will, thanks for the link , I searched for Hessle / Hesell and it returned info regarding Alexander the 4th Abbot 1997-1210, page 1 , gained additional quaries at Hessle.

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On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 02:37:49 UTC+1, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=MiYJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR27

Will, thanks for the link , I searched for Hessle / Hesell and it returned info regarding Alexander the 4th Abbot 1997-1210, page 1 , gained additional quaries at Hessle.

There is a good account of quarries in the East Riding, together with geological maps of bedrock, here:

https://www2.bgs.ac.uk/mineralsuk/download/EHCountyAtlases/East_Yorkshire_North_And_North_East_Lincolnshire.pdf

Wibs

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Le jeudi 9 février 2023 à 11:19:01 UTC+1, Wibs a écrit :

On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 02:37:49 UTC+1, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=MiYJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR27

Will, thanks for the link , I searched for Hessle / Hesell and it returned info regarding Alexander the 4th Abbot 1997-1210, page 1 , gained additional quaries at Hessle.

There is a good account of quarries in the East Riding, together with geological maps of bedrock, here:

https://www2.bgs.ac.uk/mineralsuk/download/EHCountyAtlases/East_Yorkshire_North_And_North_East_Lincolnshire.pdf

Wibs

We're probably talking about North Ferriby here, which is on the north bank of the Humber in the East Riding of Yorkshire, known by the locals (myself included) as Ferriby. It lies between Hessle on the east and Melton on the west, where there's still a
working quarry. The following link should give you further information:

https://eprints.oxfordarchaeology.com/1393/1/Melton_Quarry_Phase_1_Interim_Report_FINAL_040712.pdf

Hazel (a derivation of Hessle, pronounced Hezel)

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