I’ve just be made aware and checked it out that the Haplo Group I-M253 Washbourne yDNA Project has established a firm DNA connection between the Washbournes of Bengeworth and the Washbournes of Wichenford. Is anyone familiar with this? And does this
now at least tentatively mean there may be new Gateway ancestors associated with descendants of Bengeworth Washbournes? More information is available on the WikiTree for John (Washbourne) de Wassheburne of Bengeworth (1479 - bef. 1547).

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 4:25:22 AM UTC+1, WADP wrote:

I’ve just be made aware and checked it out that the Haplo Group I-M253 Washbourne yDNA Project has established a firm DNA connection between the Washbournes of Bengeworth and the Washbournes of Wichenford. Is anyone familiar with this? And does this

now at least tentatively mean there may be new Gateway ancestors associated with descendants of Bengeworth Washbournes? More information is available on the WikiTree for John (Washbourne) de Wassheburne of Bengeworth (1479 - bef. 1547).

With the information as you present it the answer would be no. If we are talking about normal STR markers it is extremely difficult to use those to prove an exact family tree. What they are pretty good for is showing that two people are somehow in the
same male line. For any two men in such a match you can not definitely see if they are father and son or 20th cousins. There could of course be more to the story but I think the onus would be on those making the proposals.

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Please take a look at WikiTree and Haplo Group I-M253. Here's the link: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Washbourne-2

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This is a link to the Haplo Group I-M253 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Washburn/default.aspx?section=yresults

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:58:04 PM UTC+1, WADP wrote:

Please take a look at WikiTree and Haplo Group I-M253. Here's the link: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Washbourne-2

Yes on Wikitree it is only showing a 12 STR marker match. Your common ancestor with a 12 marker match might be in the Neolithic, or even earlier. A 12 marker match is unfortunately not worth much if you are interested in in more recent connections. But
in my comment I was leaving open the option that there is more information out there which makes a stronger case. 37 or more markers would at least be more suggestive of a connection after the classical era.

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Yes on Wikitree it is only showing a 12 STR marker match. Your common ancestor with a 12 marker match might be in the Neolithic, or even earlier. A 12 marker match is unfortunately not worth much if you are interested in in more recent connections. But

in my comment I was leaving open the option that there is more information out there which makes a stronger case. 37 or more markers would at least be more suggestive of a connection after the classical era.

Funny I counted 58 markers.

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:40:47 PM UTC+1, WADP wrote:

Yes on Wikitree it is only showing a 12 STR marker match. Your common ancestor with a 12 marker match might be in the Neolithic, or even earlier. A 12 marker match is unfortunately not worth much if you are interested in in more recent connections.

But in my comment I was leaving open the option that there is more information out there which makes a stronger case. 37 or more markers would at least be more suggestive of a connection after the classical era.

Funny I counted 58 markers.

On the Wikitree article there are 12 markers given. Presumably you are referring to something I could have found if I clicked further. As I mentioned in the beginning, the main point is that the onus will be on anyone trying to make a convincing case.
But 2x58 STR markers still can't normally give us a family tree.

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 19:25:21 -0800 (PST), WADP <peter1623a@yahoo.ca>
wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:

I’ve just be made aware and checked it out that the Haplo Group I-M253 Washbourne yDNA Project has established a firm DNA connection between the Washbournes of Bengeworth and the Washbournes of Wichenford. Is anyone familiar with this? And does this

now at least tentatively mean there may be new Gateway ancestors associated with
descendants of Bengeworth Washbournes? More information is available on the WikiTree for John (Washbourne) de Wassheburne of Bengeworth (1479 - bef. 1547).


According to
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/y-dna-i1/about/background
I-M253 is 4000 to 5000 years old.

The family names appeared around year 1200. So I-M253 may cover
many different families.

We have seen that with some Belanger. Same haplogroup I-M253
but from Big Y, the common ancestors lived long before the
family names were inherited.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/groups/belanger/tree?subgroups=188467,188470


Suggested reading if you are a FTDNA Y-DNA project admin:

https://dna-explained.com/2023/01/17/project-administrators-how-to-prepare-your-project-for-familytreednas-new-group-time-tree/


Denis

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