On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:13:59 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
Looking at the Dabridgecourt family caused me to stumble, for probably the third or fourth time, across the 1684 PCC will of Mary Dabridgecourt, which mentions an agnate kinsman, John Dabridgecourt, then living in Maryland and not yet 16 years of age.
that he is living to dispose of the interest for necessaries for his use. But in case he die to go to my Executor hereafter named (Zanchet). And if my Executor die unmarried before the child (John) to go to his (Zanchet's) sisters Barbara Wells andhttps://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
In the past, I could never find anything about John Dabridgecourt in Maryland, and the age seemed off for someone "beyond seas."
Now, however, I notice there is a John Dabridgecourt of Maryland, supposedly died in Maryland in 1680, leaving a wife and two young children, John and Elizabeth, of whom Elizabeth married a Martin Yates and had some children.
https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I2577&tree=Tree1
The younger John Dabridgecourt is claimed as having been born ca. 1679, so he would certainly be under age 16 in 1684. Perhaps there was a mix-up as to precisely which John Dabridgecourt was "under 16" in 1684?
This source may also be of interest ...
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover"There is a PCC will [4] of Mary Dabridgcourt, of Putney, Surrey, who died unmarried. The will, made 11 September 1683 and probate 6 May 1684, contains this bequest:
'As for the thirty pounds I give to John Dabridgcourt now living in Maryland I do desire my loving friends Alderman Bathurst and Sir Simon Lewes to keep it in their hands, till he be of the age of sixteen years and every year securing a certificate
This can't be the John Dabridgecourt of this profile, who was well over the age of 16, but it might be his son, who would have been a child, 3 or 4 years old, when this will was made."
from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D'Abridgecourt-1
So it does seem "the child John" doesn't have to be a brother of Barbara and Brigid; he could be their nephew ... or could be their cousin.
But likely there is some close relationship.
Looking at the Dabridgecourt family caused me to stumble, for probably the third or fourth time, across the 1684 PCC will of Mary Dabridgecourt, which mentions an agnate kinsman, John Dabridgecourt, then living in Maryland and not yet 16 years of age.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
In the past, I could never find anything about John Dabridgecourt in Maryland, and the age seemed off for someone "beyond seas."
Now, however, I notice there is a John Dabridgecourt of Maryland, supposedly died in Maryland in 1680, leaving a wife and two young children, John and Elizabeth, of whom Elizabeth married a Martin Yates and had some children.
https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I2577&tree=Tree1
The younger John Dabridgecourt is claimed as having been born ca. 1679, so he would certainly be under age 16 in 1684. Perhaps there was a mix-up as to precisely which John Dabridgecourt was "under 16" in 1684?
This source may also be of interest ...
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
The statement about the Executor dying "before the child" doesn't make total sense. "The child" should really receive the bequest of 30 pounds regardless of the living/dead status of the will's executor.
that he is living to dispose of the interest for necessaries for his use. But in case he die to go to my Executor hereafter named (Zanchet). And if my Executor die unmarried before the child (John) to go to his (Zanchet's) sisters Barbara Wells and'As for the thirty pounds I give to John Dabridgcourt now living in Maryland I do desire my loving friends Alderman Bathurst and Sir Simon Lewes to keep it in their hands, till he be of the age of sixteen years and every year securing a certificate
The statement about the Executor dying "before the child" doesn't make total sense. "The child" should really receive the bequest of 30 pounds regardless of the living/dead status of the will's executor.
I think this means that if John dies then the money goes to Zanchet. If Zanchet is already dead (if John dies) then the money goes to Barbara and Brigid. Otherwise, if John lives to 16, he gets the money.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 3:34:39 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think this means that if John dies then the money goes to Zanchet. If Zanchet is already dead (if John dies) then the money goes to Barbara and Brigid. Otherwise, if John lives to 16, he gets the money.Okay, that makes better sense.
I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.
There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdf
This is a strong possibility. As for his name, they might have had antiquarian interests, since their ancestor Zanchet Dabridgcourt had been a Knight of the Garter in the 14th century.
I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:January 1661 aged 16; died at Pontoise 17 Aug. 1715, in her 71st year. Her flowery obituary ends, "we humbly beg yt by ye assistance of your [God's? / Mary's ?] Suffrages, she may be speedily admitt'd amongst the virgin spouses, ever Inseperable
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdfInteresting. Although it can't quite be the same Zanchet who was Mary's Executor, if that executor was her nephew.
The Benedictine nun Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt of Pontoise was memorialized as "Daughter to Thomas Dabridgecourt. Knight Baronett, her mother was mrs Anne Sanders daughter to mr Sanchott Sanders of Sutton Court esquire ..." She made her vows 13
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
Mary Dabridgecourt's will of course mentions a niece Elizabeth Dabridgecourt, and "requests the minister of Putney to preach a sermon from the text, 'The virgins follow the Lamb;' and desires this 'posy' to be put on mourning rigns for her nieces."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
Could the memorial of Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt have concluded with a near quote from her own mourning ring? Or is that a Catholic commonplace saying of the period?
I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.Dame Dabridgecourt was actually Abbess of Pontoise, elected in December 1689.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-5, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:January 1661 aged 16; died at Pontoise 17 Aug. 1715, in her 71st year. Her flowery obituary ends, "we humbly beg yt by ye assistance of your [God's? / Mary's ?] Suffrages, she may be speedily admitt'd amongst the virgin spouses, ever Inseperable
There's a chart of Dabridgcourt going back to the time of Edward III. Mary and Zanchet are in the lower righthand corner. I'm not sure how John in Maryland fits it.
https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/9/90/Forster-1270.pdfInteresting. Although it can't quite be the same Zanchet who was Mary's Executor, if that executor was her nephew.
The Benedictine nun Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt of Pontoise was memorialized as "Daughter to Thomas Dabridgecourt. Knight Baronett, her mother was mrs Anne Sanders daughter to mr Sanchott Sanders of Sutton Court esquire ..." She made her vows 13
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Catholic_Record_Society_Publications/QguMnky03sEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover
Mary Dabridgecourt's will of course mentions a niece Elizabeth Dabridgecourt, and "requests the minister of Putney to preach a sermon from the text, 'The virgins follow the Lamb;' and desires this 'posy' to be put on mourning rigns for her nieces."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/VKZWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22elizabeth+dabridgecourt%22&pg=PA206&printsec=frontcover
Could the memorial of Dame Elizabeth Dabridgecourt have concluded with a near quote from her own mourning ring? Or is that a Catholic commonplace saying of the period?
I propose that Zanchet/ Sanchott was misplaced a generation too high in the Dabridgecourt chart, and was really a son of Sir Thomas Dabridgecourt, Mary's brother, and had been named Sanchott/ Zanchet after his maternal grandfather.
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