The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's
1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated
but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men ("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca 1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this
way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of
various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a
sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is
called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece
rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder
paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work
chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's
1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that
Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated
but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men
("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca
1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this
way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of
various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a >> sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is
called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece
rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder
paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work
chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that
Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated
but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men
("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca >> 1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this
way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as
niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died
in the late 1130s.
Peter Stewart
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:57:08 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of
various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a >>>> sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is >>>> called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece >>>> rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder
paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work >>>> chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >>>> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that >>>> Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated >>>> but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men
("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca >>>> 1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this >>>> way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".
niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of
Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to
Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is
hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain
would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died
in the late 1130s.
Peter Stewart
Took me a second to understand your point, so I will spell it out for others. Cono would have been a had a decent claim on the county of Louvain, and claims like that tended not to be ignored in the types of records we have. Thanks Peter.
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of
various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a >> sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is
called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece
rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder
paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work
chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that
Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated
but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men
("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca >> 1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this
way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as
niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died
in the late 1130s.
Peter Stewart
Op vrijdag 20 januari 2023 om 23:57:08 UTC+1 schreef pss...@optusnet.com.au:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of >> various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a
sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is >> called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece >> rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder >> paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work >> chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that >> Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated >> but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men >> ("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca
1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this >> way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
could inherit allodial goods but not fiefs.C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died in the late 1130s.
Peter StewartCould it not be that the late labelling of an "upsurper" was just unfounded gossip.
There were families like the Lords of Rode (North Brabant in The Netherlands) were in the 12th century the Lordship (fief) after the death of the heir, having only a (or more) daughter(s), transferred to his brother being the next male heir. Daughters
In the family of the Lords of Cuijk (in North Brabant in The Netherlands) this practise was in the 13th and 14th century used even when the heir had left minor sons. Then when the uncle died the eldest of the male heirs inherited the Lordship.
The same thing may have been appropriate in the 10/11th century in Brabant.
Yes, I am aware that in later times (from mid 13 th century) inheritance in Brabant could pass through a daughter if the lord died without sons.
The question being is this custom attested in the previous centuries seeing that there were regional diffierences.
Or is it that when a fief (by a duke, count, lord) was held from the German king/emperor we can automaticaly assume that it could be inherited (Ripuarian Law) through a daughter?
Or can we see a an exemple of Salic Law in the succesion by Godfrey of his sonless elder brother.
Hans Vogels
Op vrijdag 20 januari 2023 om 23:57:08 UTC+1 schreef pss...@optusnet.com.au:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of
various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a >>>> sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a
charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's
daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is >>>> called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece >>>> rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder
paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work >>>> chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >>>> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that >>>> Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated >>>> but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men
("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca >>>> 1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this >>>> way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his
second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".
niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of
Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to
Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is
hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain
would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died
in the late 1130s.
Peter Stewart
Could it not be that the late labelling of an "upsurper" was just unfounded gossip.
There were families like the Lords of Rode (North Brabant in The Netherlands) were in the 12th century the Lordship (fief) after the death of the heir, having only a (or more) daughter(s), transferred to his brother being the next male heir. Daughterscould inherit allodial goods but not fiefs.
In the family of the Lords of Cuijk (in North Brabant in The Netherlands) this practise was in the 13th and 14th century used even when the heir had left minor sons. Then when the uncle died the eldest of the male heirs inherited the Lordship.
The same thing may have been appropriate in the 10/11th century in Brabant.
Yes, I am aware that in later times (from mid 13 th century) inheritance in Brabant could pass through a daughter if the lord died without sons.
The question being is this custom attested in the previous centuries seeing that there were regional diffierences.
Or is it that when a fief (by a duke, count, lord) was held from the German king/emperor we can automaticaly assume that it could be inherited (Ripuarian Law) through a daughter?
Or can we see a an exemple of Salic Law in the succesion by Godfrey of his sonless elder brother.
On 22-Jan-23 8:12 PM, Hans Vogels wrote:Clermont). FWIW I'm not sure we need an inheritance. See for example the explanation given on Wikipedia's article about Giselbert, Count of Clermont. "A 1095 entry in the chronicle of Giles of Orval reveals that what Otbert's objective was accomplished
Op vrijdag 20 januari 2023 om 23:57:08 UTC+1 schreef pss...@optusnet.com.au:
On 21-Jan-23 1:49 AM, lancast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:50:49 PM UTC+1, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
The identity of Lambert's wife, name unknown, has been the subject of >>>> various speculations. Léon Vanderkindere suggested that she was either a
sister or niece of Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, based on a >>>> charter of his for Tronchiennes abbey dated 1143 in which Lambert's >>>> daughter Gertrude, the wife of Raoul de Nesle, castellan of Bruges, is >>>> called Theirry's niece ("nepta").
Vanderkindere subsequently preferred to make Gertrude's mother a niece >>>> rather than sister of Thierry, one of the many daughters of his elder >>>> paternal half-brother Simon I, duke of Upper Lorraine. This could work >>>> chronologically for the mention of her daughter as "nepta" in Thierry's >>>> 1143 charter, but it does not work with an earlier charter of his that >>>> Vanderkindere probably never saw - this was for Lihons priory, undated >>>> but evidently written in 1135/36, and the first witness among the men >>>> ("homines") of Theirry is described as his nephew ("nepos") Count
Lambert's son Cono. Since Thierry's brother Simon did not marry until ca
1112/13, he could not have had a grandson old enough to figure in this >>>> way by 1135/36.
The probability is that Lambert's wife was an otherwise unrecorded
sister of Thierry of Alsace, as in Vanderkindere's superseded
conjecture, a daughter of Thierry II, duke of Upper Lorraine by his >>>> second wife Gertrude of Flanders.
Peter Stewart
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Thanks Peter
You probably have these but for anyone else interested in this question might be interested in the remarks of Roland who is a source for a second suggestion. This is relatively weak and based on one possible explanation of a specific inheritance (
Daughters could inherit allodial goods but not fiefs.That would notionally satisfy the description of Lambert's children as
C. G. Roland, Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort, Annales de la Société archéologique de Namur 20 (1893) p.113 https://archive.org/details/annalesdelasocie20soci/page/114/mode/2up
A third option mentioned by Wikipedia's article about Lambert of Montaigu, citing ES, is "Gertrud de Louvain, daughter of Henry III, Count of Louvain, and Gertrude of Flanders".
niece and nephew of Gertrude's son by her second marriage, Thierry of
Alsace, but it leaves a fairly drastic problem with the succession to
Louvain: if any of Henry III's daughters had survived to marry Lambert
and give birth to his son Cono who was an active man by 1135/36, it is
hardly plausible that Henry's brother and successor Godfrey I of Louvain >> would not have been labelled a usurper at some point well before he died >> in the late 1130s.
Peter Stewart
Could it not be that the late labelling of an "upsurper" was just unfounded gossip.As far as I'm aware there was no late labelling of Godfrey the Bearded
as a usurper or any recorded gossip about this. In the 15th century
Petrus a Thymo wrote that the inheritance "devolved" from Henri III to
his brother Godfrey, but he did not call the latter a usurper. Is that
what you are referring to?
There were families like the Lords of Rode (North Brabant in The Netherlands) were in the 12th century the Lordship (fief) after the death of the heir, having only a (or more) daughter(s), transferred to his brother being the next male heir.
In the family of the Lords of Cuijk (in North Brabant in The Netherlands) this practise was in the 13th and 14th century used even when the heir had left minor sons. Then when the uncle died the eldest of the male heirs inherited the Lordship.The usual expectation was that in the absence of a son the inheritance
The same thing may have been appropriate in the 10/11th century in Brabant.
would pass to, or through, the eldest daughter of the deceased ruler or
the senior female in his agnatic lineage - as with Flanders passing to Charles of Denmark in 1119 and then to Thierry of Alsace in 1128. The
dukes of Brabant boasted of their moral right to be considered the legitimate heirs of the Carolingians by the same principle. We know of exceptions to this at the comital level because these were remarkable
enough to be reported.
Yes, I am aware that in later times (from mid 13 th century) inheritance in Brabant could pass through a daughter if the lord died without sons.If Godfrey had set aside the rights of daughters to inherit Louvain from
The question being is this custom attested in the previous centuries seeing that there were regional diffierences.
Or is it that when a fief (by a duke, count, lord) was held from the German king/emperor we can automaticaly assume that it could be inherited (Ripuarian Law) through a daughter?
Or can we see a an exemple of Salic Law in the succesion by Godfrey of his sonless elder brother.
his brother Henri III we might expect to hear about it. Henri was killed
in a jousting accident in February 1095: if we are to believe an
unreliable source from over 173 years later that he had four daughters
in the first place, much less that even one survived him into her own reproductive maturity, they would have been either too young to be
married at that time or if already newly-married would have had husbands
and in-laws to contest the succession of their uncle Godfrey. If
unmarried in 1095, he would have been a fool to allow any of them to
find husbands after he had taken power.
Peter Stewart
that had happened) of his purported mother's inheritance by her paternal uncle. <<I meant that since Cono was active as one of the leading men of his uncle Thierry of Alsace, count of Flanders, by the time of the latter's charter for Lihons in 1135/36, in that capacity he would have been well-placed to contest the usurpation (if
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