• Marriage(s) of Henry Ferrers d.1499

    From Michael Cayley@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 03:55:50 2023
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of Edward,
    was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which show
    Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date of land
    in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/2up; The
    National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his wife of
    manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement for one
    made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the marriage was
    between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more: Maskelyne and H. C.
    Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-
    vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.

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  • From Michael Cayley@21:1/5 to Michael Cayley on Sat Jan 14 04:02:15 2023
    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 11:55:52 UTC, Michael Cayley wrote:
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of Edward,
    was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which show
    Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of before 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date
    of land in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/
    2up; The National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his
    wife of manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement
    for one made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the
    marriage was between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more:
    Maskelyne and H. C. Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-
    post-mortem/series2-vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.

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  • From Michael Cayley@21:1/5 to Michael Cayley on Sat Jan 14 04:04:09 2023
    One small slip in my post. The marriage date given by Douglas Richardson was BEFORE 30 September 1481. Sorry.

    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 11:55:52 UTC, Michael Cayley wrote:
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of Edward,
    was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which show
    Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date of land
    in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/2up; The
    National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his wife of
    manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement for one
    made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the marriage was
    between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more: Maskelyne and H. C.
    Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-
    vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to michae...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 14 08:07:09 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:04:11 AM UTC-8, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
    One small slip in my post. The marriage date given by Douglas Richardson was BEFORE 30 September 1481. Sorry.
    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 11:55:52 UTC, Michael Cayley wrote:
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of
    Edward, was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which
    show Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date of
    land in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/2up;
    The National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his wife
    of manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement for one
    made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the marriage was
    between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more: Maskelyne and H. C.
    Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-
    vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.


    1454, 14 Jun. Feoffment 1) John Elmebrugge, Hugh Hexstall, clerk, Thomas Hexstall and William Constantyne 2) William Hexstall, esq, and Joan his wife, for life, and after their deaths to their daughter Margaret and her husband William Wetenhale, junior
    and her heirs. Land in East Peckham, Hadlow, Wateringbury and Nettlestead, Kent.{LM/341/73, Documents held at Surrey History Centre, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=176-lm_2&cid=2-10-10-5-5#2-10-10-5-5

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  • From Michael Cayley@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 14 08:44:00 2023
    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 16:07:10 UTC, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:04:11 AM UTC-8, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
    One small slip in my post. The marriage date given by Douglas Richardson was BEFORE 30 September 1481. Sorry.
    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 11:55:52 UTC, Michael Cayley wrote:
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of
    Edward, was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which
    show Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date of
    land in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/2up;
    The National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his wife
    of manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement for one
    made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the marriage was
    between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more: Maskelyne and H. C.
    Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-
    vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.
    1454, 14 Jun. Feoffment 1) John Elmebrugge, Hugh Hexstall, clerk, Thomas Hexstall and William Constantyne 2) William Hexstall, esq, and Joan his wife, for life, and after their deaths to their daughter Margaret and her husband William Wetenhale, junior
    and her heirs. Land in East Peckham, Hadlow, Wateringbury and Nettlestead, Kent.{LM/341/73, Documents held at Surrey History Centre, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=176-lm_2&cid=2-10-10-5-5#2-10-10-5-5

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  • From Michael Cayley@21:1/5 to wjhonson on Sat Jan 14 08:46:05 2023
    Thanks. William Wetenhall was Margaret's first husband.

    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 16:07:10 UTC, wjhonson wrote
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:04:11 AM UTC-8, Michael Cayley wrote:
    One small slip in my post. The marriage date given by Douglas Richardson was BEFORE 30 September 1481. Sorry.
    On Saturday, 14 January 2023 at 11:55:52 UTC, Michael Cayley wrote:
    Henry Ferrers, who died in 1499 was the father of Edward Ferrers d.1535 who has an entry in the History of Parliament: http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1509-1558/member/ferrers-sir-edward-1468-1535. This states that Margaret Hexstall, mother of
    Edward, was Henry's second wife. I am not aware of sourcing for Henry Ferrers having more than one wife. Does anyone know of any evidence for this? I am wondering if S T Bindoff, who wrote the History of Parliament entry, has misread Visitations, which
    show Henry as Margaret's second husband.

    On the subject of Henry Ferrers' marriage, Douglas Richardson gives a marriage date of 30 September 1481 ("Magna Carta Ancestry", 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. I, p. 481; "Royal Ancestry", 2013, Vol. II, p. 213). This is based on a grant on that date of
    land in Kent, which refers to Henry and Margaret as husband and wife: "A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office", Vol. I, HMSO, 1890, p. 428 (entry 431), https://archive.org/details/descriptivecatal01greauoft/page/428/mode/2up;
    The National Archives, ref. C 146/431, https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5884890 Discovery Centre catalogue entry. Patent Rolls entries point to the marriage being before 14 November 1468, when a grant was made to Henry and his wife
    of manor of Hamyldon [Hambleton], Rutland: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", HMSO, 1900, p. 123, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/122/mode/2up?q=ferrers. This grant was a replacement for one
    made to Henry alone on 5 August 1467: "Calendar of the Patent Rolls, Edward IV and Henry VI, A.D. 1467-1477", pp. 18-19, https://archive.org/details/calendarpatentr05blacgoog/page/n30/mode/2up?q=ferrers. So it seems to me probable that the marriage was
    between 5 August 1467 and 14 November 1468 - and quite likely not long before the latter date. This accords with the age given for their son Edward in Henry's IPM, held on 17 October 1503: Edward is said in it to be age 30 and more: Maskelyne and H. C.
    Maxwell Lyte, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Entries 651-700', in "Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Series 2, Volume 2, Henry VII" (London, 1915), pp. 411-458. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/series2-
    vol2/pp411-458 [accessed 14 January 2023], entry 681.
    1454, 14 Jun. Feoffment 1) John Elmebrugge, Hugh Hexstall, clerk, Thomas Hexstall and William Constantyne 2) William Hexstall, esq, and Joan his wife, for life, and after their deaths to their daughter Margaret and her husband William Wetenhale, junior
    and her heirs. Land in East Peckham, Hadlow, Wateringbury and Nettlestead, Kent.{LM/341/73, Documents held at Surrey History Centre, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=176-lm_2&cid=2-10-10-5-5#2-10-10-5-5

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