• =?UTF-8?Q?Who_was_the_forefather_of_the_de_Richmond_family_lin?= =?UTF-

    From Rose Edwards@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 10 21:17:10 2021
    I don’t know where people have come to the conclusion that Sir Roaldus (Ruard d'Aboube) Musard was the forefather of the Yorkshire Richmond family line. Unless they have mistaken him for Sir Roald de Richmond, 2nd constable.

    There is no deed or charter with the name Roaldus (Ruard d'Aboube) Musard that I can find in the doomsday book
    .
    Roaldus is Latin for Roald. Scholars have added 'le Ennase' to the 2nd constable name, but I’m unable to translate that wording. l'Envaise instead of Le Ennase has been used in Early Yorkshire Charters, which seems to be the correct soubriquet/
    nickname spelling as it at least translates in to a word: envy him. (Early Yorkshire Charters: Honour of Richmond. pt. 2. Extra series v. 2 by William Farrer and Charles Travis Clay)

    Lords/Earls of the Honour of Richmond: Alan Rufus was granted the hounor by William I, he died 1098. He was succeeded by his brother, Alan Rufus who died in 1093, and succeeded by the next brother, Stephen. Stephen was succeeded by his son Alan Niger II
    in 1136. Alan II was succeeded by his son Conan in 1146. After Conan, died in 1171, his only child, a daughter, Margaret inherited.
    Roald 2nd constable was born c. 1100 and died aft. 1158 (but before 1171).

    The whole fee of Enisan Musard and the fee of Hervey, son of Morin and the carucate of Sadberg' were granted by Count Stephen to Roald, his constable before 1136. (William Page, A History of the County of York North Riding: Volume 1. 'Parishes: Fingall',
    pub. by Victoria County History, London, 1914)

    His constableship of Richmond castle was confirmed by Conan in 1158. (Charles Travis Clay, Yorkshire Deeds, Volume 7. Page 155. #450. (Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1932)
    ‘le Ennase’ appears in Plantagenet’s, The history of Yorkshire, He shows that Roald ‘le Ennase’ was the son of Robert fil Fulco (Fulco was living temp William I), and Robert was Captain of the men at arms under Count Stephen, of Tréguier, 3rd
    lord of Richmond. If in some language I don’t know, Is Fulco is another word of Roaldus? Seems unlikely. (Plantagenet-Harrison, The history of Yorkshire: Wapentake of Gilling West.)
    In Page’s A History of York, He states that Roald was the son of Hasculph, apparently the Hasculf de St. James who held 5 hides at Tansor at the time of the Northamptonshire Survey, he also states: It seems possible that he may have married a daughter
    and heir or co-heiress of Enisan, as his wife, Garsia or Garsian.

    In Early Yorkshire Charters, it states that he is the son of Hasculf de St. James …. A dispute in 1213 when an assize of darrein presentment between [Sir]Roald the [4th] constable, son of Alan and Ralph de Cameis, tenant, concerning a moiety of the
    advowson of the church of Tansor, was put off for want of recognitors. In 1214 the jurors, who asked who was the last rector to a moiety of the church, said that Roald grandfather of Roald, son of Alan had presented the last rector, in the time of Henry
    I. (This statement was untrue. The pleading in 1211 indicates that it was Alan, the plaintiff's father, not grandfather who had appointed the rector.) It was considered that Roald, who was claiming the moiety, should have seisin.
    Taken as a whole, the Tansor evidence shows that Roger de Clare, dealing with his wife's inheritance, Tansor had been held by her grandfather Hasculf St. James, with one moiety of the vil to Roald, and gave the other moiety to Robert, son of Humphrey.

    As Roald's father was named Harscod the suggestion presents that he was the son of Hasculf de St. James. There is no direct evidence that Hasculf de St. James had any sons other that James and Peter. Though, he may have married a 2nd time to a Breton
    lady and had Roald by her, these suggestions cannot be proved. (These suggestions have been made by writer in Yorkshire, Deeds VII, 7 and in Victoria County History, North Riding., I, 233 by William Page. While W. Farrer (editor, 1923-1925). Honors and
    Knights' Fees. London. doesn’t seem to have any definite conclusion as to the origin of Roald's father)

    The Battle abbey roll (Pages 272-273) has him a grandson of Enisand, but not who was his parent (and why would they list him as a grandson and not son by marriage if he married Garsia?).

    The Battle Abbey roll only lists: Asuit, Hasuit or Hasculphus Musard, Enisand Musard, and Hugh Musard, who held baronies in Domesday. Battle Abbey continues with “There is a difference of opinion as to their origin. If, M. de Ste Marie (Recherches
    sur le Domesday) conjectures, they belonged to the Musards who were lords of Sauxelle and Issondun-sur-Creuse, in La Marche, up to the 17th century, they probably came to England under the banner of Roger de Poitou, who had married the daughter of their
    suzerain, Audebert, Count de la Marche. The author of the 'Norman People’ (quoting Guy-Alexis Lobineau, Histoire de Bretagne. volume II. 1707.) says they were the sons of Hasculph, Viscount of Nantes in Brittany, and this opinion is supported by the
    fact that Enisand Musard had vast grants in Yorkshire from Alan le Roux of Brittany, Earl of Richmond, with the feudal dignity of Constable of Richmond. It was his grandson, Roald who founded Easby Abbey in 1152; and from him the Yorkshire family
    descended”….
    Lobineau, Histoire de Bretagne page 117:
    Ego Conanus minoris Britanniæ Comes, magneæ Fcilicet poreftatic fub Dei ordinatione minifter, aliquando cum per Turonum ad avunculum meum Comiren Tetvaudum Blefim tenderem, majus adivi Monaafterium, cum orationis gratia, tum pro adipifcenda focietate
    benefactorum Deo ibidem & S. Martino Famulantium monachorum. Que videliet impetrata proper Dei & B. Martini amorem, totum ex intergo fratribus eifdem auctorizavi quid-quid in tota terra juris five dominationis meæ, aut dona, aut empitone habebant,
    exceptis duntaxat possessionibus quas in die qua defunctus elf pater meus habebat Alanus. Et ut hæc ab omnibus fuccessoribus meis & certius credantur & deligentius conferventur, manu propria fignum S. Crucis in membrana ifta essgiavi videntibusqui
    benefactum loci mecum fortiti funt his Baronibus meis Gaufredo de Medana, Gaussredo Papa bovemm, Silverftro filio Mainguinei, Tetbaudo fratre ejus, Herveo Foreftario, Gilone filio Anfquitni, Auffredo filio Radulfi Largi, Carioc filio Caradoci, Mainfineto
    de Namnetis, Alberico de Ver, Herveo filio Rodaldi, Rivallono filio Frioli, Afcol filio Rodadldi Vicecomitis de Namnetis, Widone de Sablolio, Grossardo filio Martini, Papino de Raheriis, Quinol de Leon, Artur de Servum, Suhardo de Acinneio, Hehloc filio
    Rivallonii, Norman Citharedo, Judiquello filio Juhalis, Mainguineio Britone, Hugone filio Frotgerii, Bernone Quoqo, Eudone filio Doallonii, Haimone filio Odelini, Herveo fratre ejus. Tures de Marmouier.

    The following 3 Musard’s, supposedly brothers, are listed in the Doomsday book with the following property:
    Asuit, Hasculphus or Hasuit Musard, Derbyshire lines. Where his son Richard was baron of Stavley, and his grandson Hasculph II., on the occasion of the marriage of Henry II's daughter, certified that he held fifteen and a half knight's fees.
    He held the manor, Saintsbury as per the Doomsday Book at Gloucestershire (Thomas Dudley Fosbroke, Abstracts of records and manuscripts respecting the county of Gloucester; formed into a history, Volume 2 (1807); (www.google.com/books/edition/Abstracts_
    of_records_and_manuscripts_res/PgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%25a+Musard%22&pg=PA481&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=%22Matilda%20Musard%22&f=false).

    Cirencester Hundred. He held this manor and a hide (about 120 acres) here, as recorded in the Doomsday Book at Siddington Saint Peter's Manor, Gloucestershire, England (Fosbroke, Page 481).

    Kiftsgate Hundred. Hascort Musard held the manor Aston Somerville as per the Doomsday Book at Aston Somerville, Gloucestershire, England (Fosbroke, Page 301).

    Slaughter Hundred. Hascoit Musard held the manor, Eyford as per the Doomsday Book in 1086 at Gloucestershire, England (Fosbroke, Page 382).
    A Harsculph Musard II, was seised of the manors of Croft, Aldburgh, Burton, Skideby, Kipling, Brunton, Stanwigges, Pickhale, and thirteen knights’ fees in the county of' York. Coat of Arms: Gules, 3 annulets or.
    The Manor of Skeeby or Skiteby belonged originally to the family of Skiteby, but at the Conquest it came into the possession of Harsculph Musard, whose daughter [Agatha married William de Rollo] and heir carried it to the family of Rollos. Richard de
    Rollos having joined Maud the Empress, all his eight manors and lands were given by King Stephen to Roald, the Constable of Richmond Castle; and upon the accession of King Henry II. it was agreed that four of the said manors, including the manor of
    Skideby, should remain to the said Roald for the term of his life, with remainder after his death to the said Richard de Rollos and his heirs (Plantagenet’s History of Yorkshire)
    Hugh Musard Lincolnshire lines
    In Samford, in the time of Edward I., there were twelve Lagmen who had sac and soke over their own houses .... two of which Hugh Marsard took [from himself] for himself. (A Translation of that Portion of Domesday Book which Relates to Lincolnshire and
    Rutlandshire by Charles Gowen Smith · 1870. www.google.com/books/edition/A_Translation_of_that_Portion_of_Domesda/edZUAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0)
    Enisan (Enisand, Enisam, Enisaunt) Musard (died aft. 1100) Yorkshire lines. Enisan was a witness to the Linton charters (K. S. B. Keats-Rohan David Roffe, Domesday Now. New Approaches to the Inquest and the Book (2016); www.google.com/books/edition/Domesday_Now/4HxFDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0)

    The hamlet of Easby is mentioned in the Domesday book as 'Asebi', which was held by Enisan Murdac, who was a vassal of Alan 'the Red' Rufus. (Andrew Graham Stables, Secret Richmond & Swaledale (2018); www.google.com/books/edition/Secret_Richmond_
    Swaledale/7K-IDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0)

    Constable Burton, a manor and 12 carucates passed at the Conquest from Tor to Count Alan Rufus, it was thirteen knights' fees. Under Count Alan it was held by Enisan, sometimes called Murdac. (William Page, editor. A History of the County of York North
    Riding: 'Parishes: Fingall', Volume 1, pp. 232-236. (London, 1914), www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/north/vol1/pp232-236).

    He held about twenty-one manors in Count Alan's fee in 1086, having received all but five of the manors which had belonged to Tor and also Raven's lands in Thorpe; he had also other lands in Cambridgeshire ('Parishes: Fingall’).

    Enisan Fourteen geld carucates in Croft were among the lands of Count Alan in 1086, and were subsequently held of Richmond Castle. (William Page, editor. A History of the County of York North Riding: ‘Parishes: Croft' Volume 1, pp. 162-171. (London,
    1914), www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/north/vol1/pp162-171).

    At the time of the Domesday Survey the fee was held in demesne by Enisan, who granted one-third of the tithes of sheaves of his demesne lands here and in Barton, Halnaby, Stapleton and Cleasby to St. Mary's Abbey, York, and afterwards increased his gift
    by the church of Croft and 4 carucates in 1086 (Parishes: Croft').

    Enisan made a grant to the priory of St. Martin, Richmond, which founded at about that date in 1100 ('Parishes: Fingall').
    The National Americana Society, ‘The Richmond Family,’ states that Roald was the son of Roaldus Musard de Richmond. They also put forward later in the article that Roald was the son of Hasculf Musard de Richmond, son of Roaldus Musard de Richmond who
    held estates of Keddington and Chilworth in Oxfordshire, and Stainbury in gloucestershire, but no source. (The National Americana Society, ‘The Richmond Family’, Americana Illustrated. December 1914, citing Francis Thackeray. www.google.com/books/
    edition/Americana_American_Historical_Magazine/wws7AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq. This information is also repeated in William Richard Cutter editor, American Biography. A New Cyclopedia, Volume 17 (New York: American historical Society, 1924); www.google.
    com/books/edition/American_Biography/24AKAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0).
    In ‘The Norman People’ it states that 4 sons of Roald, viscount of Nantes, came with William I to England, i.e Hasculph or Hascoit, Hugh, Enisand, and a Roald. But doesn’t show proof of statement of son, Roald. (Henry S. King & Co. ‘The Norman
    People and Their Existing Descendants in the British Dominions and the United States of America’. 1874. www.google.com/books/edition/The_Norman_People_and_Their_Existing_Des/uGWr23tk0nEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Musard’)
    In the Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Journal, it states that Emasnt (Enisand) Musard, constable of Richmond castle & lord of Cleasby had a son, Harsculph de Cleseby, who had sons: Roald, constable of Richmond who married Garsiena; Eudo; and
    Robert. (Rev. Canon Raine, Yorkshire Archaeological Society, ‘Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Journal’, Volume 6. Page 214. London: Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Association, 1881 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Yorkshire_
    Archaeological_Journal/u-4GAAAAYAAJ?h)

    Yorkshire Archaeological states that a Hasculf Musard or Hasculf de Cleseby was the constable of Richmond castle before Roald was. ('Parishes: Fingall',) (‘The Norman People’ states different info)
    Cleasby was among the lands of Count Alan in 1086 and afterwards became a member of the honour of Richmond. Tor had one 'manor' there before the Conquest, and this passed with his fee to Enisan, who held 1 carucate there in demesne in 1086. ('Parishes:
    Cleasby', in A History of the County of York North Riding: Volume 1, ed. William Page (London, 1914), pp. 158-160. www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/north/vol1/pp158-160)

    Enisan, who lived on well into the 12th century, held lands here in demesne and he was succeeded in these by Harsculph (Hasculf, Hasquid), the ancestor of the Cleasbys. There is a charter of Earl Conan, who died in 1171, among the muniments at Marske,
    which, as it stands, makes various grants 'to Harsculph Cleasby my kinsman and constable of my castle of Richmond.' The charter, however, is full of grammatical and other errors. Rid of accretions[additions] it may perhaps represent a grant or
    confirmation of Cleasby to Harsculph, who is possibly identical with the Harsculph 'son of Ridiou' who held lands in Yorkshire of Count Stephen of Britanny in 1130/1, and with the 'Harsculph Rufus' with whom the Cleasby pedigree properly begins. ('
    Parishes: Cleasby')

    So, was he the son of Roaldus (Ruard d'Aboube), or Robert, or Hasculf de St. James, or Hasculf Musard de Cleseby? Or a son of an unknown person and only heir to Richmond comes from marrying Garsia, a daughter of Enisand?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)