• Charlemagne's sister Gisela

    From Peter Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 16:39:51 2022
    The life of Gisela is not very thoroughly set out in any webpage I can
    find, not included at all in Genealogics, and not really adequately
    covered in the print reference works usually cited in SGM discussions of
    the Carolingians. I don't know if there is much interest in her era now
    in the newsgroup, but I'm happy to give details of sources for anyone
    who wants these.

    Quite a lot is known about Gisela in comparison to most other women of
    her time. She was born in 757, probably towards the end of the year
    since the linen used at her baptism was sent to Pope Paul I in Rome as a
    token of his proxy godparenthood, and his letter to her father King
    Pippin acknowledging this was not written until 758.

    At some time around 765/67 she was betrothed to the young Byzantine
    co-emperor Leo, son of Constantine V. This is often dated to 765/66,
    when letters from Constantinople were received by Pippin (and
    deliberately mistranslated for him and his court). It is assumed that
    one of these letters probably suggested the marriage. However, this may
    not have come up until later, when envoys from the eastern empire
    attended the synod of Gentilly in 767. The eunuch Synesios stayed on
    when his colleagues returned to Constantinople after this, and it may be
    that his mission included tutoring the girl in Greek and Byzantine
    customs as another eunuch later did for her niece Rotrude (about whom I
    will post in a different thread). Whenever it started, the betrothal did
    not last long as Leo was married to Eirene in 769.

    Gisela dedicated her life to religion, and lived at her brother's court
    for some time as a nun. She was given Chelles abbey, on the eastern
    outskirts of modern Paris, but never called herself abbess. There has
    been some academic discussion of this over recent decades, with Dame
    Jinty (aka Janet) Nelson concluding in 2020 that "If Gisela _had_ been
    abbess of Chelles, it would have been bizarre indeed if the strictly contemporary author of the _Annales Mettenses Priores_, writing at
    Chelles, had not mentioned it. Gisela, it must be concluded, was not an abbess." However, this obscures the point that she was very clearly an
    abbess in all but name - and a plausible rationale for this is not far
    to seek, since we know she came and went to her brother's court after
    taking up residence at Chelles: in 779 the capitulary of Herstal ruled
    that an abbess was never to leave her convent. Gisela may have held
    herself exempt by her royal status from following such a rule, but more probably she refrained from using the title abbess in order not to set a
    bad example by disobeying it. Her name occurs with the title abbess in
    the obituary of Chelles (in the form "Gela") and in that of Argenteuil
    priory (in the form "Gisla").

    She was certainly living at Chelles by the summer of 798, when she was undertaking a major construction project including a range of buildings
    and a new abbey church. She would hardly have taken charge in this way
    if someone else had been the abbess. Alcuin of York, abbot of
    Saint-Martin, wrote to her about this and it was mentioned in the
    mid-9th century translation of St Bathild's relics. In late January 799
    Alcuin was requested by Charlemagne to visit her at Chelles - he did so
    in the summer of that year on his way home to Tours from the Pas de
    Calais. In the summer of 800 she and her niece Rotrude (who was then
    living with her as a nun) wrote together to Alcuin, teasing him about
    sending them an exegesis of John's gospel from Tours across the Loire to
    Paris more easily than St Jerome had been able to send such works from Bethlehem to women in Rome. Incidentally, Alcuin addressed Gisela in
    letters as sister and Rotrude as daughter (i.e. in spiritual
    relationship to himself rather than biological to Charlemagne), which presumably indicates that Gisela was his abbatial counterpart.
    Charlemagne himself visited her at Chelles in 804 when she was ill.

    Since the 17th century it has frequently been asserted that Gisela was
    abbess also of Notre-Dame de Soissons, with one historian of the diocese claiming that she lived, died and was buried there. I think this is
    wrong, as her cousin Theodrada must have been abbess there by ca 800/04
    at the latest because she was in office at the time St Paschasius
    Radbertus took monastic vows there as boy (he was born ca 790). More
    recently it has been proposed that she was abbess of Notre-Dame
    d'Argenteuil as well, that was a priory of Saint-Denis until Charlemagne
    made it independent, but the evidence for this is not compelling.

    The date of Gisela's death is usually given as 30 July 810. The year is uncertain - we are told only that she died a few years before
    Charlemagne. Her niece Rotrude died in June 810, and this may have led
    to a supposition that Gisela succumbed shortly after her. The obituary
    of Argenteuil places her death on 8 July, without a year, and that of
    Chelles has her dying on 30 July under the title abbess although a nun
    also named in the form "Gela" is listed there under 8 July, which may
    have been originally a record for her or may have confused the
    Argenteuil obituarist by the coincidence of this name for someone else.

    Peter Stewart

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  • From Peter Stewart@21:1/5 to Peter Stewart on Wed Dec 21 18:10:27 2022
    On 21-Dec-22 4:39 PM, Peter Stewart wrote:
    The life of Gisela is not very thoroughly set out in any webpage I can
    find, not included at all in Genealogics, and not really adequately
    covered in the print reference works usually cited in SGM discussions of
    the Carolingians. I don't know if there is much interest in her era now
    in the newsgroup, but I'm happy to give details of sources for anyone
    who wants these.

    Quite a lot is known about Gisela in comparison to most other women of
    her time. She was born in 757, probably towards the end of the year
    since the linen used at her baptism was sent to Pope Paul I in Rome as a token of his proxy godparenthood, and his letter to her father King
    Pippin acknowledging this was not written until 758.

    At some time around 765/67 she was betrothed to the young Byzantine co-emperor Leo, son of Constantine V. This is often dated to 765/66,
    when letters from Constantinople were received by Pippin (and
    deliberately mistranslated for him and his court). It is assumed that
    one of these letters probably suggested the marriage. However, this may
    not have come up until later, when envoys from the eastern empire
    attended the synod of Gentilly in 767. The eunuch Synesios stayed on
    when his colleagues returned to Constantinople after this, and it may be
    that his mission included tutoring the girl in Greek and Byzantine
    customs as another eunuch later did for her niece Rotrude (about whom I
    will post in a different thread). Whenever it started, the betrothal did
    not last long as Leo was married to Eirene in 769.

    I forgot to add that Gisela was betrothed again after this, or at any
    rate her mother apparently planned to make her so - in 770 Berta
    arranged marriages for her sons Charlemagne and Carloman to daughters of Desiderius, king of the Lombards, and evidently also for Gisela to his
    son Adelgis. Pope Stephen III wrote to the Frankish kings fulminating
    against this, but possibly this was more a warning-off in case there
    should be such a betrothal than an angry response to actual intentions
    for Gisela.

    Peter Stewart




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  • From joseph cook@21:1/5 to pss...@optusnet.com.au on Wed Dec 21 16:03:48 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:10:32 AM UTC-5, pss...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
    On 21-Dec-22 4:39 PM, Peter Stewart wrote:
    The life of Gisela is not very thoroughly set out in any webpage I can find, not included at all in Genealogics, and not really adequately
    covered in the print reference works usually cited in SGM discussions of the Carolingians. I don't know if there is much interest in her era now
    in the newsgroup, but I'm happy to give details of sources for anyone
    who wants these.

    Quite a lot is known about Gisela in comparison to most other women of
    her time. She was born in 757, probably towards the end of the year
    since the linen used at her baptism was sent to Pope Paul I in Rome as a token of his proxy godparenthood, and his letter to her father King
    Pippin acknowledging this was not written until 758.

    At some time around 765/67 she was betrothed to the young Byzantine co-emperor Leo, son of Constantine V. This is often dated to 765/66,
    when letters from Constantinople were received by Pippin (and
    deliberately mistranslated for him and his court). It is assumed that
    one of these letters probably suggested the marriage. However, this may
    not have come up until later, when envoys from the eastern empire
    attended the synod of Gentilly in 767. The eunuch Synesios stayed on
    when his colleagues returned to Constantinople after this, and it may be that his mission included tutoring the girl in Greek and Byzantine
    customs as another eunuch later did for her niece Rotrude (about whom I will post in a different thread). Whenever it started, the betrothal did not last long as Leo was married to Eirene in 769.
    I forgot to add that Gisela was betrothed again after this, or at any
    rate her mother apparently planned to make her so - in 770 Berta
    arranged marriages for her sons Charlemagne and Carloman to daughters of Desiderius, king of the Lombards, and evidently also for Gisela to his
    son Adelgis. Pope Stephen III wrote to the Frankish kings fulminating
    against this, but possibly this was more a warning-off in case there
    should be such a betrothal than an angry response to actual intentions
    for Gisela.
    Peter Stewart

    Thank you, this is very much of interest.
    --Joe Cook

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