It took quite a while for me to find this family laid out in full face.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VpnC3wgof6gC&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA4,M1

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075683563&view=1up&seq=159&skin=2021&q1=Charleton

We see here that William Charleton by his wife Elizabeth Allen had a son who d.s.p. and a daughter Elizabeth who m Edward Bridgeman "third son" (so said in 1591) of William /Bridgeman/ and Anne /Smythe/

William Charleton had two daughters Barbara and Christophera
Being such an odd name I tried to find Christophera

I did find one of this name, who m Julius Freake

To cement the idea that this was the exact same woman

https://books.google.com/books?id=vvJplqs_XX8C&lpg=RA1-PA521&ots=JH6OLf7O7z&dq=%22julius%20freake%22&pg=RA1-PA521#v=onepage&q=%22julius%20freake%22&f=false

She presents a descent of the family of Charlton....

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On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 11:54:16 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

It took quite a while for me to find this family laid out in full face.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VpnC3wgof6gC&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA4,M1

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101075683563&view=1up&seq=159&skin=2021&q1=Charleton

We see here that William Charleton by his wife Elizabeth Allen had a son who d.s.p. and a daughter Elizabeth who m Edward Bridgeman "third son" (so said in 1591) of William /Bridgeman/ and Anne /Smythe/

William Charleton had two daughters Barbara and Christophera
Being such an odd name I tried to find Christophera

I did find one of this name, who m Julius Freake

To cement the idea that this was the exact same woman

https://books.google.com/books?id=vvJplqs_XX8C&lpg=RA1-PA521&ots=JH6OLf7O7z&dq=%22julius%20freake%22&pg=RA1-PA521#v=onepage&q=%22julius%20freake%22&f=false

She presents a descent of the family of Charlton....

Julius Freake and Christofera Bridgeman were married
21 Feb 1614
Kensington, London

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It is quite likely that this is Julius' will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D880852

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On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:01:30 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

It is quite likely that this is Julius' will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D880852

I have seen the Freke pedigrees in The Ancestor Volume 11 but evidently there are earlier ones in The Ancestor Volume 10. I wonder if anyone has access to that work?

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He names his wife Christofera, and it seems his son is named Richard

He lives in London, he is a letherseller
I wonder if his name should not be Freke ?
he has a daughter it looks like her name might be Jane ?

there is another crabby word here I'm going to say its "Godchildren" ?
and they are Henry Perryn and Cassandra Smyth who get ten pounds each

he has a "loving friend" which looks like George Turberville (?)

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On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:01:30 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

It is quite likely that this is Julius' will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D880852

I have seen the Freke pedigrees in The Ancestor Volume 11 but evidently there are earlier ones in The Ancestor Volume 10. I wonder if anyone has access to that work?

I have a digital copy of vol. 10 of The Ancestor that I downloaded almost 10 years. It contains an article of 30-35 pages on "The Freke Pedigree". It doesn't have the Google logo on it, so it's probably from the Internet Archive - have you checked
there?

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On 01-Oct-21 2:37 PM, John Higgins wrote:

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:01:30 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote: >>> It is quite likely that this is Julius' will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D880852

I have seen the Freke pedigrees in The Ancestor Volume 11 but evidently there are earlier ones in The Ancestor Volume 10. I wonder if anyone has access to that work?

I have a digital copy of vol. 10 of The Ancestor that I downloaded almost 10 years. It contains an article of 30-35 pages on "The Freke Pedigree". It doesn't have the Google logo on it, so it's probably from the Internet Archive - have you checked

there?


The page range is deceptive - it starts on p. 179 and the next article
starts on p. 213, but the Freke Pedigree article in my copy consists of
just a single page of text followed by eight double-page tables, i.e 17
printed pages altogether.

The first page describes the material in the tables as:

"A PEDIGREE
or Genealogy of the family of ye Frekes for near 200 years
FIRST BEGUN
by Ralph Freke of Hannington esq a gentleman of great
integrity and learning and who living to his eighty-eighth year
might be justly deemed a credible witness
SECONDLY AUGMENTED
by ye industrious inquiryes of Mr John Freke
Rector of Ockford Fitzpaine in Dorset
and sometimes a fellow of Wadham College in Oxon. and
lastly reduced to this forme
by William Freke of Hinton St. Maryes in ye County of Dorset
Barrister of ye Mid. Temple
July ye 14th 1707".

That being aged 87 makes someone a credible witness is an interesting
theory - I suppose you would have to test the justness of the deemer
rather than the credibility of the witness to verify this assertion.

Peter Stewart

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Thanks to you both.
I *did* finally find a copy of this in the online familysearch.org library
It did *not* help me to identify Julius Freake in this family however

Interestingly I already had a person named Cassandra Smythe in my database.
She was bap 14 May 1599 Legsby
the daughter of
William /Smythe/ of Honington
by
Mary /Husthwaite/

I wonder if this gives any weight to the prospect that Christophera's paternal grandmother Anne was of this same family at Honington.

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On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:01:30 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

It is quite likely that this is Julius' will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D880852

Reference: PROB 11/159/298
Description: Will of Julius Freake, Leatherseller of London of Saint Clement Danes, Middlesex
Date: 23 February 1631
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

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On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 7:00:34 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

Thanks to you both.
I *did* finally find a copy of this in the online familysearch.org library
It did *not* help me to identify Julius Freake in this family however

Interestingly I already had a person named Cassandra Smythe in my database. She was bap 14 May 1599 Legsby
the daughter of
William /Smythe/ of Honington
by
Mary /Husthwaite/

I wonder if this gives any weight to the prospect that Christophera's paternal grandmother Anne was of this same family at Honington.

No... wait.
Julius did not marry into this family until long after this Cassandra was born.

So... go fish

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In pursuing every single (god damned) mention of any Henry Perryn I found a curious omission.

There was a William Fremlyn, who somehow plays into this story as well
He was
William /Fremlyn/ of London; merchant; esq; President of the East India Company he died 13 Mar 1645
"VERY long" M.I. St Leonard Shoreditch

His name is mentioned dozens if not hundreds of time without any mention at all of his family other than the names of his parents in his M I
Thomas /Fremlyn/ of St Leonard Shoreditch
and
Anne // of St Leonard Shoreditch

It appears possible that Burke's 1937 has this Fremlyn family
and I would be grateful were someone to post that page or email me it
as I cannot read it online

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When William made his Will dated 10 Jan 1645
he specifies his two sisters (only)
Elizabeth /Fremlyn/ wife of Henry /Perryn/ of London; innholder
and
Susan /Fremlyn/ wife of Hunsden (first name not specified)

Remembering that William specified that his parents were "of this parish"
we see a Susan baptised at St Leonard's Shoredith 17 Mar 1615/6, father Thomas and a William 1 Nov 1607, father Thomas

So firstly I propose this is our William Fremlyn, and his sister Susan Hunsden

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Guessing the perhaps Elizabeth (who was already twice married) was the elder sister
I cast about for an Elizabeth Fremlin with father Thomas and found one

Name Elizabeth Fremlin
Sex Female
Christening Date 13 Oct 1603
Christening Place Kent, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) West Hythe, Kent, England
Father's Name Thomas Fremlin

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It is possible that there is no relation at all between William Fremlyn (d1645) and William Methwold
(d1653) but he did make him his executor

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/eb26d0fa-55a6-4721-8c69-62771e6a9f6a

They were both Presidents of the East India Company, Fremlyn followed Methwold who was bap 10 Sep 1590 so much older.

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