Has anyone seen this serjeanty before connected to a family,
viz. carrying a white wand before the king on Christmas Day when in his presence?
if so what does the white want represent?
Robert
GEOFFREY COSTENTIN . Writ ( missing ) . Inq . The morrow of the translation of St. Thomas the Martyr , 48 Hen . III .
John Costentin , his brother , aged 29 , is his heir . LINCOLN . Bondeby . 1 toft and 7 bovates land in demesne
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Calendar_of_Inquisitions_Post_Mortem_and/f8zLX1oNCXkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=costentin++bondeby&pg=PA179&printsec=frontcover
48 Hen. III [1264] this entry names John as Geoffrey's heir and it talks about the white wand again.
Page 179, # 574
From research the White Wand is this context is perhaps a symbol of the office of the Lord Chamberlain of the Kings Household.
Thank you Peter, you are likely correct in this case as the passage seems to relate Geoffrey de Costentin at only specific days of the year such as Christmas,
but curiously, I find that at the link below regarding articles in the Monthly review “ an English Coronation", the rules / customs seem to change in regards to who carries the white wands.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Monthly_Review/nqY_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=normandy+carrying+a+white+wand&pg=PA31&printsec=frontcover
#61 Duke of Ancaster, Lord Hugh Chamberlain of England, carries a long white wand, this being his mark of office.
# 42, The Duke of Grafton, Lord High Chamberlain of the Kings Household, walked alone in front of all the other Dukes, and carried in his other hand his long white wand of his office.
The wands here are described as "long" ...Are some white wands longer than others? Was Geoffrey's wand smaller? Did size really matter??
Thank you Peter, you are likely correct in this case as the passage seems to relate Geoffrey de Costentin at only specific days of the year such as Christmas,
but curiously, I find that at the link below regarding articles in the Monthly review “ an English Coronation", the rules / customs seem to change in regards to who carries the white wands.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Monthly_Review/nqY_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=normandy+carrying+a+white+wand&pg=PA31&printsec=frontcover
#61 Duke of Ancaster, Lord Hugh Chamberlain of England, carries a long white wand, this being his mark of office.
# 42, The Duke of Grafton, Lord High Chamberlain of the Kings Household, walked alone in front of all the other Dukes, and carried in his other hand his long white wand of his office.
On 08-Nov-22 11:40 AM, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Peter, you are likely correct in this case as the passage seems to relate Geoffrey de Costentin at only specific days of the year such as Christmas,
but curiously, I find that at the link below regarding articles in the Monthly review “ an English Coronation", the rules / customs seem to change in regards to who carries the white wands.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Monthly_Review/nqY_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=normandy+carrying+a+white+wand&pg=PA31&printsec=frontcover
#61 Duke of Ancaster, Lord Hugh Chamberlain of England, carries a long white wand, this being his mark of office.
# 42, The Duke of Grafton, Lord High Chamberlain of the Kings Household, walked alone in front of all the other Dukes, and carried in his other hand his long white wand of his office.I wasn't paying much attention to the queen's endless funeral but I do recall the new lord high chamberlain carrying a long(ish) white wand, as
his predecessor always did on state occasions. I don't recall what (if anything) the earl marshal was carrying.
Peter Stewart
--The Duke of Norfolk, as Earl Marshal, carries a gold(-coloured) rod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Marshal#/media/File:Duke_of_Norfolk_(Norman_Porch)_2022.jpg
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On 08-Nov-22 11:40 AM, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Peter, you are likely correct in this case as the passage seems to relate Geoffrey de Costentin at only specific days of the year such as Christmas,
but curiously, I find that at the link below regarding articles in the Monthly review “ an English Coronation", the rules / customs seem to change in regards to who carries the white wands.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Monthly_Review/nqY_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=normandy+carrying+a+white+wand&pg=PA31&printsec=frontcover
#61 Duke of Ancaster, Lord Hugh Chamberlain of England, carries a long white wand, this being his mark of office.
# 42, The Duke of Grafton, Lord High Chamberlain of the Kings Household, walked alone in front of all the other Dukes, and carried in his other hand his long white wand of his office.I wasn't paying much attention to the queen's endless funeral but I do recall the new lord high chamberlain carrying a long(ish) white wand, as his predecessor always did on state occasions. I don't recall what (if anything) the earl marshal was carrying.
Peter Stewart
This serjeanty connected to Bonby in Lincolnshire was described by Elisabeth Guernsey Kimball in her "Serjeanty Tenure in Medieval England", p. 59--The Duke of Norfolk, as Earl Marshal, carries a gold(-coloured) rod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Marshal#/media/File:Duke_of_Norfolk_(Norman_Porch)_2022.jpg
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Peter Howarth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_of_officeor other royal occasions, such as State Banquets, Jubilee Services and Royal Weddings, as well as at the State Opening of Parliament (when the Lord Great Chamberlain raises his white staff to signal to the King's messenger, Black Rod, to summon the
A staff of office is a staff, the carrying of which often denotes an official's position, a social rank or a degree of social prestige
White Staves
Charles Fitzroy, 2nd Duke of Grafton by William Hoare
Charles FitzRoy, 2nd Duke of Grafton (d. 1757), carrying the thin white staff of the Lord Chamberlain
A thin white staff or "wand" is the traditional emblem of certain Great Officers of State and high-ranking officials of the Royal Household in the United Kingdom, namely:
Great Officers of State:
The Lord High Steward
The Lord Great Chamberlain
Senior Officers of the Household:
The Lord Steward
The Lord Chamberlain
Treasurer of the Household
Comptroller of the Household
Vice-Chamberlain of the Household
The "wand", which is around 5 feet 6 inches (1.68 m) in length, is made of white wood and has a silver plate at its base on which is engraved the name of the office to which it pertains.[5] The wands are carried by their holders when on duty on State
Apart from the Lord High Steward (an office which is only now filled for Coronations), all the above-listed officials were seen carrying their white staves during the State funeral of Queen Elizabeth II.[7] The Lord Chamberlain, as executive head ofthe Royal Household, ceremonially breaks his white staff at the monarch's state funeral, when he automatically loses office; it is then buried with the sovereign
Robert
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