• Some further refs. to Rev. John Heart & family

    From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 14:04:18 2021
    1629, 1st Feb. Bishop present. "Quhilk day David Heart, writter, having asked the consent of my L. Bishop, minister and elders of the session, that he might have a convenient place wtin the Cathedral Kirk of S. Magnus to big a seate for himselfe, his
    wife and his airs, Quhairunto they all in one voice most willinglie condiscend, and ordains the said seat to be bigged upon the west side of the pillar where the pulpit and the Reader's deasse stand, being direct over against the goodman of Essinquoy's
    seat."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044081262545&view=1up&seq=120&skin=2021&q1=heart

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 14:53:14 2021
  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 14:39:09 2021
    "Remember David Hart and wret your mynd to him ..." [ca. 1630]

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b758502&view=1up&seq=285&skin=2021&q1=%22david%20hart%22

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 1 07:30:57 2021
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from
    Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne

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  • From Patrick Nielsen Hayden@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Sun Dec 5 09:46:22 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from
    Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne

    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio is
    on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor.
    In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to
    appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to p...@panix.com on Sun Dec 5 11:26:57 2021
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr.
    from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio
    is on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor.
    In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to
    appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]

    Thanks, nice to have the whole thing. Interesting about the "great charge of children"--we know the names of four of them: Agnes, Eupham, Samuel, and David.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to p...@panix.com on Mon Dec 6 07:13:36 2021
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr.
    from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio
    is on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor.
    In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to
    appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]

    I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

    Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to jhigg...@yahoo.com on Mon Dec 6 09:58:30 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 12:40:20 PM UTC-5, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:13:38 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr.
    from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart
    bio is on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for
    Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on
    bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
    I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

    Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
    Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs
    from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish
    parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...

    Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Mon Dec 6 09:40:19 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:13:38 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr.
    from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio
    is on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for
    Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on
    bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
    I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

    Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
    Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs
    from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish
    parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Mon Dec 6 10:10:47 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:58:32 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 12:40:20 PM UTC-5, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:13:38 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:

    I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

    Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
    Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The
    MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for
    Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
    Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.
    If you need an occasional look-up from the Johnson-Liik work, I can help. A number of years ago I purchased a set at a remainder-sale price - quite cheap. It's been very useful to have.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to jhigg...@yahoo.com on Mon Dec 6 11:59:55 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 1:10:48 PM UTC-5, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:58:32 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 12:40:20 PM UTC-5, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:13:38 AM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:

    I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

    Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
    Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The
    MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for
    Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
    Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.
    If you need an occasional look-up from the Johnson-Liik work, I can help. A number of years ago I purchased a set at a remainder-sale price - quite cheap. It's been very useful to have.

    Thanks. (I remember thinking it looked helpful the one time I saw it.)

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  • From Jan Wolfe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 7 11:08:37 2021
    Thanks for these additional sources for the life of John Heart.

    The date of John Heart's death is stated in the memorial inscription on this grave stone (IAN 8 AN 1687).
    https://books.google.com/books?id=MSjV_jvdzVIC&pg=PA55 https://archive.org/details/journalforyear81asso/page/34/mode/1up

    Was the start of the new year January 1 or March 25 in this part of Ireland in 1687?
    James VI had moved the start of the new year in Scotland to January 1 in 1600, but he did not make a similar change in England when he became James I of England in 1603.
    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/record-guides/old-parish-registers/change-in-calendar

    One might think that people who had come to Ireland from Scotland in the mid 1600s would be inclined to use the dating custom of Scotland in their new home.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to p...@panix.com on Thu Dec 9 07:10:44 2021
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, p...@panix.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr.
    from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
    Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio
    is on page 589.

    HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst.
    Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the
    petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to
    minister.

    On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor.
    In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to
    appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681),
    appointed by Laggan Presby.

    Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

    [Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]

    Colonel Thomas Blood's plot was discovered in May or June 1663, being a plan "to take the Castle of Dublin and overthrow the Government."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_History_of_the_County_Dublin_Clonsilla/SBwwAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22blood%27s+plot%22+dublin&pg=PA44&printsec=frontcover

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ancient_and_Modern_History_of_the_Ma/cpEJAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22blood%27s+plot%22+dublin&pg=PA216&printsec=frontcover

    Blood was a notorious person who additionally attempted to assassinate the Duke of Ormonde, was implicated the Pentland uprising in Scotland, almost succeeded in stealing the crown jewels from the Tower of London (mangling a few of them in the attempt),
    and was eventually, strangely pardoned by Charles II.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Blood

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  • From Jan Wolfe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 10 18:56:50 2021
    There is a Findagrave memorial for John Heart, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92084723/john-hart. Jeffrey Homes has (I think recently) uploaded a photo of the gravestone, https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2021/197/92084723_2b844bb2-639d-4e9d-990f-
    bdfb17a1c585.jpeg.
    The biographical notes in the Findagrave memorial include a somewhat old version of my web notes for John Heart and his wife Agnes Baxter with an old (nonworking) link. The link to my current notes is https://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/
    m12280x12920.htm. (I've sent the current link to the Findagrave contributor so that she will be able to correct the link.)

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  • From Jeff Homes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 10 11:15:33 2022
    David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
    https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Jeff Homes on Thu Feb 10 12:23:37 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 2:15:35 PM UTC-5, Jeff Homes wrote:
    David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
    https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater

    Something like David Hairt [Heart], writer, inheriting land in Howgoland [Hugoland] and Ollaberry, Shetland, formerly of Andrew Mowatt, eldest son and heir of the late John Mowatt of Hugoland.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Fri Feb 11 07:27:45 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 2:15:35 PM UTC-5, Jeff Homes wrote:
    David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
    https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater
    Something like David Hairt [Heart], writer, inheriting land in Howgoland [Hugoland] and Ollaberry, Shetland, formerly of Andrew Mowatt, eldest son and heir of the late John Mowatt of Hugoland.

    Well, not inheriting exactly. Another entry from March 1624 in a different source shows the lands, "which all formerly pertained to Andrew Mowat, eldest lawful son and heir of the deceased John Mowat of Howgoland, ... were apprised from him at the
    instance of the said David Hereot [sic] in a court of apprising ... for not entering as heir to his father therein."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b757144&view=1up&seq=41&skin=2021&q1=%22hereot%20writer%22

    Note the unusual spelling of David Heart's surname as Hereot.

    I suppose since Andrew Mowatt somehow did not "enter" properly as the heir to his father, his brother-in-law David Heart/ Hereot (husband of Jean Mowatt) obtained a "Decreet of the Lords of Council and Session" against Andrew.

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