Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 1:05:50 PM UTC-7, vaco...@gmail.com wrote:in 8 Hen. VI. Margaret, thew. of John Hertyngdon, Esq., remitted all her right in the M. of R. (which formerly belonged to John Foxle, knt.) with the advowson of the church of R., &c., to Thos. Foxlee, Esq.; they no doubt held under the Knts. of St. John
In the "Sussex Postmortem Inquisitions, 1485-1649", we find the following re: Rustington:
"#266 Thomas Cooke, Esq (died 13 Apr 11 Henry VIII (1519/20)
Taken 11 Oct 1519/20 at Arundel
• Wife Joanne
• Granddaughter, Heir Mary (b ca 1516/17) “3 yrs old” at Inquisition • Son Thomas Jr (d before 13 Apr 1519/20)
LANDS ETC
• RUSTINGTON (Moiety)
• Goring (Messuages enfeoffed to himself by deed dated 15 Apr 1512)
• Lytilhamptonn (ditto)
• Sussex
• Hampshire
• Isle of Wight
Goring lands to wife Joanne for life, then at her death + 10 years to gr-daughter Mary at her marriage"
Thomas Cooke, mrd Joanne, held a 1/2 interest (moiety) in Rustington.
From: "A history of the castles, mansions, and manors of western Sussex", by Dudley George Cary Elwes, Charles John Robinson:
MUCH of the manorial history of this parish has already been noticed under the head of Midhurst, of which barony it formed a part. It was thus included in the grant made in 1102 to Savaric Fitz Cana, and was held by the Bohuns until
* Testa de Nevill, 26 Ed. I. " John & Hubert de Wykes held one knt's fee in Wykes Rumbald, of Ralph Touny alias Tormy, who holds of the King in chief," from the Pat. & Close Rolls this appears to have been subsequently held by the Foxle family, and
in 1369, the manor devolved to his sisters, Elizabeth, wife of John Bramshot, and Eva, wife of Sir John Burford. A partition ensued, and the two members of the manor became known as East-court and West-court. In the Subsidy Roll, levied 13 Hen. IV. [1412,the reign of Edward III., when, it appears, on the death of John de Bohun (41 Edw. III.) to have descended to his dau. Johanna, by his last wife, Isabella. She married John de L'Isle de Gatecumbe, and on the death of their son, John de L'Isle, s.p.,
How does this reconcile? Or does it?
Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?
What is going on here?
Jim CookeThere is a chronological difficulty in the second part of your quotes where they make Eva (de Lisle) Burford have a daughter Eleanor married to Thomas Cooke
John de Lisle of Gatcombe has extremely narrow dates, born 1324, died March 1349
This allows us to state that his daugher Eva was born exactly between 1343 and 1349
Then her supposed daughter Eleanor had to be born BY 1397
and then we have this woman's own son supposedly serving Sheriff as late as 1498
which stretches crudulity.
On the contrary I would direct you to
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitations_of_the_County_of_Sussex/Hy8EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thomas+cooke+of+%22wickham%22&pg=PA73&printsec=frontcover
which adds another generation here
In the "Sussex Postmortem Inquisitions, 1485-1649", we find the following re: Rustington:8 Hen. VI. Margaret, thew. of John Hertyngdon, Esq., remitted all her right in the M. of R. (which formerly belonged to John Foxle, knt.) with the advowson of the church of R., &c., to Thos. Foxlee, Esq.; they no doubt held under the Knts. of St. John of
"#266 Thomas Cooke, Esq (died 13 Apr 11 Henry VIII (1519/20)
Taken 11 Oct 1519/20 at Arundel
• Wife Joanne
• Granddaughter, Heir Mary (b ca 1516/17) “3 yrs old” at Inquisition • Son Thomas Jr (d before 13 Apr 1519/20)
LANDS ETC
• RUSTINGTON (Moiety)
• Goring (Messuages enfeoffed to himself by deed dated 15 Apr 1512)
• Lytilhamptonn (ditto)
• Sussex
• Hampshire
• Isle of Wight
Goring lands to wife Joanne for life, then at her death + 10 years to gr-daughter Mary at her marriage"
Thomas Cooke, mrd Joanne, held a 1/2 interest (moiety) in Rustington.
From: "A history of the castles, mansions, and manors of western Sussex", by Dudley George Cary Elwes, Charles John Robinson:
MUCH of the manorial history of this parish has already been noticed under the head of Midhurst, of which barony it formed a part. It was thus included in the grant made in 1102 to Savaric Fitz Cana, and was held by the Bohuns until
* Testa de Nevill, 26 Ed. I. " John & Hubert de Wykes held one knt's fee in Wykes Rumbald, of Ralph Touny alias Tormy, who holds of the King in chief," from the Pat. & Close Rolls this appears to have been subsequently held by the Foxle family, and in
the reign of Edward III., when, it appears, on the death of John de Bohun (41 Edw. III.) to have descended to his dau. Johanna, by his last wife, Isabella. She married John de L'Isle de Gatecumbe, and on the death of their son, John de L'Isle, s.p., in1369, the manor devolved to his sisters, Elizabeth, wife of John Bramshot, and Eva, wife of Sir John Burford. A partition ensued, and the two members of the manor became known as East-court and West-court. In the Subsidy Roll, levied 13 Hen. IV. [1412,],
How does this reconcile? Or does it?
Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?
What is going on here?
Jim Cooke
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