• Wolfhampcote-Warwickshire

    From robert.thecomputerman@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 30 07:57:18 2022
    Wolfhamcote has a few connections to the daughters of Ivo de Alspathe
    A few comments of those involved:

    James le Bret , [son of Walter le Bret and Alice, the eldest heiress of Ivo de Alspath] . James le Bret held land Wolfhamcote

    Thomas de Aderne had married Gunnor, another daughter of Ivo de Alspathe, had come to an aggreement about the advowson of the church of Wolfhampcote.

    [Walter for himself and his heirs and the advowson of the same church remains to the aforesaid Walter and his heirs without any claims. And for this agreement the same Walter gave to the aforesaid Thomas five marks of silver]

    https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/01200566
    : [Hec est finalis concordia facta in curia domini regis apud Warewic die Lune proxima post octavas apostolorum Petri et Pauli anno xxxj regni regis Henrici secundi coram Willelmo de Ver[] et Robarto de Inglyscham Radulfo filio Stephani et Milone de
    Micheloages et Ricardo Flandrensi justiciariis domini regis et aliis baronibus militibus domini regis ibidem presentibus inter Thomam de Arderne [et] Walterum le Bret de ecclesia de Wolfammescote quis advocatus presentavit ulterum personam qui mortuus [
    est] ad eandem ecclesiam cuius advocacionem idem Thomas clamavit versus predictum Walterum scilicet quod idem Thomas remisit totum clamium suum versus ipsum Walterum pro se et heredibus suis et advocacio eiusdem ecclesie remanet predicto Waltero et
    heredibus suis absque tamen calumpnia Et pro hac concordia dedit idem Walterus predicto Thome v marcas argenti]

    The heir of James le Bret was Alice Breton, ( Le Bret) his sister who brought Wolfhampcote, Wyken and Bignall in Oxon, to Walter de Langley , son of Geoffrey de Langley, Justicar. Married 1243/4
    James le Bret also held at Bignall,
    BIGNELL, though in the parish of Bicester, was a member of Kirtlington manor. Its overlordship followed the same descent as Kirtlington. (fn. 178) In the early 13th century the tenant of Bignell was James le Bret, who made a number of grants to Bicester
    Priory of lands in Bignell. (fn. 179) In 1279 the tenant holding Bignell as a ¼ knight's fee of the lord of Kirtlington was Walter de Langley, son of Geoffrey de Langley, the notorious justice of the forest. (fn. 180) Walter died in 1280 (fn. 181) and
    Bignell was then held in dower by his widow Alice. (fn. 182) By 1316 the manor had passed to Walter's son John de Langley, (fn. 183) who about 1325 gave it to his younger son Geoffrey.
    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol6/pp14-56

    Notes: At Wolfhamcote, I also see Geoffrey de Langley appearing with Walter de Cherlecote who married Cecily de Lucy.

    Rosie Bevan once asked in an Academia paper dated 2016, if a daughter of Cecily de Lucy and Walter de Cherlecote could have married an early Gerard de Alspath and have a son named Willaim de Lucy, by 1227. Is there anu update on this.
    Robert

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  • From robert.thecomputerman@gmail.com@21:1/5 to robert.the...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 7 11:15:54 2022
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-3, robert.the...@gmail.com wrote:
    Wolfhamcote has a few connections to the daughters of Ivo de Alspathe
    A few comments of those involved:

    James le Bret , [son of Walter le Bret and Alice, the eldest heiress of Ivo de Alspath] . James le Bret held land Wolfhamcote

    Thomas de Aderne had married Gunnor, another daughter of Ivo de Alspathe, had come to an aggreement about the advowson of the church of Wolfhampcote.

    [Walter for himself and his heirs and the advowson of the same church remains to the aforesaid Walter and his heirs without any claims. And for this agreement the same Walter gave to the aforesaid Thomas five marks of silver]

    https://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/01200566
    : [Hec est finalis concordia facta in curia domini regis apud Warewic die Lune proxima post octavas apostolorum Petri et Pauli anno xxxj regni regis Henrici secundi coram Willelmo de Ver[] et Robarto de Inglyscham Radulfo filio Stephani et Milone de
    Micheloages et Ricardo Flandrensi justiciariis domini regis et aliis baronibus militibus domini regis ibidem presentibus inter Thomam de Arderne [et] Walterum le Bret de ecclesia de Wolfammescote quis advocatus presentavit ulterum personam qui mortuus [
    est] ad eandem ecclesiam cuius advocacionem idem Thomas clamavit versus predictum Walterum scilicet quod idem Thomas remisit totum clamium suum versus ipsum Walterum pro se et heredibus suis et advocacio eiusdem ecclesie remanet predicto Waltero et
    heredibus suis absque tamen calumpnia Et pro hac concordia dedit idem Walterus predicto Thome v marcas argenti]

    The heir of James le Bret was Alice Breton, ( Le Bret) his sister who brought Wolfhampcote, Wyken and Bignall in Oxon, to Walter de Langley , son of Geoffrey de Langley, Justicar. Married 1243/4
    James le Bret also held at Bignall,
    BIGNELL, though in the parish of Bicester, was a member of Kirtlington manor. Its overlordship followed the same descent as Kirtlington. (fn. 178) In the early 13th century the tenant of Bignell was James le Bret, who made a number of grants to
    Bicester Priory of lands in Bignell. (fn. 179) In 1279 the tenant holding Bignell as a ¼ knight's fee of the lord of Kirtlington was Walter de Langley, son of Geoffrey de Langley, the notorious justice of the forest. (fn. 180) Walter died in 1280 (fn.
    181) and Bignell was then held in dower by his widow Alice. (fn. 182) By 1316 the manor had passed to Walter's son John de Langley, (fn. 183) who about 1325 gave it to his younger son Geoffrey.
    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol6/pp14-56

    Notes: At Wolfhamcote, I also see Geoffrey de Langley appearing with Walter de Cherlecote who married Cecily de Lucy.

    Rosie Bevan once asked in an Academia paper dated 2016, if a daughter of Cecily de Lucy and Walter de Cherlecote could have married an early Gerard de Alspath and have a son named Willaim de Lucy, by 1227. Is there anu update on this.
    Robert

    As a side note, Walter le Bret's brother would seem to be Nicholas [ Nicolas] Brito / Brittone, who was Nicholas the Chaplain of KIng Richard I, and afterwards the Bishop of Le Mans, from 1214-1216.

    I would also ask the group about the settlement between Walter le Bret and Thomas de Ardern, both married daughters of Ivo de Alpath, the suit was over the church of Wolfhampcote, yet I see no link to Ivo de Alspath to Wolfhampcote. What claim would
    Thomas de Ardern heve here to warrenty payment of 5 marks of silver.

    Robert

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