On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:33:45 AM UTC-4, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:refences in my tree software, but will check my "manual" files. My notes on William and Ankaret show her as executed without trial or reason by George Duke of Clarence and that her heir was Roger son of their son John. Two different Johns.
In the Visitation of Gloucester there are two John Twynyhos. John Twynyho of Cirencester and Bristol (the MP) is the brother of William Twynyho (married to Ankaret Hawkston). William and Ankaret had a son, John Twynyho of Kayford.
https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00inchit/page/262/mode/2up?view=theaterI have the John Twynyho, MP (d. 1485) married to Agnes and Eleanor Tailboys. I do not have Joan Corbet as a wife. I have his father as John and his mother as Joan de Cobyndon. I have his daughter Alice married to John Tame. I do not have specific
In the Visitation of Gloucester there are two John Twynyhos. John Twynyho of Cirencester and Bristol (the MP) is the brother of William Twynyho (married to Ankaret Hawkston). William and Ankaret had a son, John Twynyho of Kayford.I have the John Twynyho, MP (d. 1485) married to Agnes and Eleanor Tailboys. I do not have Joan Corbet as a wife. I have his father as John and his mother as Joan de Cobyndon. I have his daughter Alice married to John Tame. I do not have specific
https://archive.org/details/visitationofcoun00inchit/page/262/mode/2up?view=theater
According to the Visitation of Gloucester, cited above, as well as the Visitation of Somerset, which contains mostly the same information, the father of John Twynyho of Cirencester was William.
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou00beno/page/132/mode/2up?view=theater
According to the Visitation of Gloucester, cited above, as well as the Visitation of Somerset, which contains mostly the same information, the father of John Twynyho of Cirencester was William.
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou00beno/page/132/mode/2up?view=theater
That should be the grandparents of William and John, the father and grandfather of William of Cayford or Keyford.
Another bit of evidence.Yes, and Joan, wife of John, may plausibly have been the daughter of Richard de Cobyndon. See https://books.google.com/books?id=oezgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA309 and the following page.
There's a will of Roger Twynyho, of Frome Selwood, 1497. In it he makes his brother George his executor.
https://archive.org/details/somersetpub16someuoft/page/352/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George must be two of the sons of John, as shown in the visitation of Somerset.
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou00beno/page/132/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George can't have been born much after 1475 (George couldn't be sole executor until age 21).
That would mean that John their father couldn't have been born much after 1450.
Which doesn't leave much time between the birth of William (husband of Ankaret) in about 1420, and the birth of John in about 1450. No room for an extra generation.
So maybe the intervening William is extraneous?
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:02:47 PM UTC-4, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
Another bit of evidence.
There's a will of Roger Twynyho, of Frome Selwood, 1497. In it he makes his brother George his executor.
https://archive.org/details/somersetpub16someuoft/page/352/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George must be two of the sons of John, as shown in the visitation of Somerset.
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou00beno/page/132/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George can't have been born much after 1475 (George couldn't be sole executor until age 21).
That would mean that John their father couldn't have been born much after 1450.
Which doesn't leave much time between the birth of William (husband of Ankaret) in about 1420, and the birth of John in about 1450. No room for an extra generation.
So maybe the intervening William is extraneous?Yes, and Joan, wife of John, may plausibly have been the daughter of Richard de Cobyndon. See https://books.google.com/books?id=oezgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA309 and the following page.
On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:02:47 PM UTC-4, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:Thanks
Another bit of evidence.
There's a will of Roger Twynyho, of Frome Selwood, 1497. In it he makes his brother George his executor.
https://archive.org/details/somersetpub16someuoft/page/352/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George must be two of the sons of John, as shown in the visitation of Somerset.
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou00beno/page/132/mode/2up?view=theater
Roger and George can't have been born much after 1475 (George couldn't be sole executor until age 21).
That would mean that John their father couldn't have been born much after 1450.
Which doesn't leave much time between the birth of William (husband of Ankaret) in about 1420, and the birth of John in about 1450. No room for an extra generation.
So maybe the intervening William is extraneous?Yes, and Joan, wife of John, may plausibly have been the daughter of Richard de Cobyndon. See https://books.google.com/books?id=oezgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA309 and the following page.
I had not had this earlier marriage for Jane Corbet.
Her mother here called just Elizabeth was a Hopton heiress
Not from her father Thomas as sometimes stated, but from her brother Sir Walter Hopton was d 1461 (IPM 1E4 42; d.s.p.; heir was his sister Elizabeth)
At that time Elizabeth was Heiress "aged 34" of her brother Walter 1461
Afterwards this same Jane (I believe unless she had a same name sister) then married
Thomas /Cressett/ of Upton Cressett, Shropshire; esq
Will dated 20 Aug 1520, probate Apr 1524
They had at least four children
That we see that she could have married Cressett earlier than 1466.
Does anyone have more details on this?
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:23:28 AM UTC-7, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:William. Jan Wolfe has Agnes as the first wife of John the MP.
I can't vouch for Joan Corbett. She was already there as the wife of John Twynyho the MP and I didn't remove her. John the MP's wife at the time of his death was Eleanor. Jan Wolfe has Joan Corbett married to John the MP's nephew, John the son of
You said "she was already there"
She was were?
I can't vouch for Joan Corbett. She was already there as the wife of John Twynyho the MP and I didn't remove her. John the MP's wife at the time of his death was Eleanor. Jan Wolfe has Joan Corbett married to John the MP's nephew, John the son ofWilliam. Jan Wolfe has Agnes as the first wife of John the MP.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:44:50 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:William. Jan Wolfe has Agnes as the first wife of John the MP.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:23:28 AM UTC-7, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:
I can't vouch for Joan Corbett. She was already there as the wife of John Twynyho the MP and I didn't remove her. John the MP's wife at the time of his death was Eleanor. Jan Wolfe has Joan Corbett married to John the MP's nephew, John the son of
You said "she was already there"There is another data point here https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notes_Queries_for_Somerset_and_Dorset/TcY4AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twynho+of+keyford&pg=PA309&printsec=frontcover
She was were?
Where we see that evidently John Twynho was dead by 1442, and his son and heir William was already an adult since he lease out the property that year.
Gives this Roger Twynho, presumably the same one who petitioned for his grandmother's post mortem pardon as the eldest son and that he was Slain at Blackheath which took place in 1497.
Presumably s.p. as it was George the third son and his heirs who inherited as shown.
For Roger to be old enough for all of this, I suggest that when Jane Corbet married John Twynho, he was her *first* husband, not second.
He was dead by Oct 1475 (so between 1465 and 1475) and she *then* married Thomas Cressett by whom four more children
I presume she would hold Hawkeston if not also Keyford as her dower so perhaps searching for property records on those might yield something
At any rate, we now have the original source for why Brice Claggett stated that they were married 1465 even though he thought this was her second marriage.
It would not make sense to call her, in this entry, the daughter of Roger and Elizabeth in that case, it would have made more sense to call her the widow of Thomas Cressett, but this source does not state that.
One thing I wondered about. It says in the Visitation that Roger was slain at Blackheath, presumably as part of the Cornish rebellion. But there is a will of Roger Twynyho in 1497 (cited in his profile). Did he write his will before joining therebellion? Often people wrote wills before going off to war, but I'd think joining a rebellion would be more spur of the moment.
Gives this Roger Twynho, presumably the same one who petitioned for his grandmother's post mortem pardon as the eldest son and that he was Slain at Blackheath which took place in 1497.
One thing I wondered about. It says in the Visitation that Roger was slain at Blackheath, presumably as part of the Cornish rebellion. But there is a will of Roger Twynyho in 1497 (cited in his profile). Did he write his will before joining therebellion? Often people wrote wills before going off to war, but I'd think joining a rebellion would be more spur of the moment.
Gives this Roger Twynho, presumably the same one who petitioned for his grandmother's post mortem pardon as the eldest son and that he was Slain at Blackheath which took place in 1497.
Presumably s.p. as it was George the third son and his heirs who inherited as shown.
For Roger to be old enough for all of this, I suggest that when Jane Corbet married John Twynho, he was her *first* husband, not second.
He was dead by Oct 1475 (so between 1465 and 1475) and she *then* married Thomas Cressett by whom four more children
I presume she would hold Hawkeston if not also Keyford as her dower so perhaps searching for property records on those might yield something
At any rate, we now have the original source for why Brice Claggett stated that they were married 1465 even though he thought this was her second marriage.
It would not make sense to call her, in this entry, the daughter of Roger and Elizabeth in that case, it would have made more sense to call her the widow of Thomas Cressett, but this source does not state that.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:40:53 AM UTC-7, vance...@yahoo.com wrote:rebellion? Often people wrote wills before going off to war, but I'd think joining a rebellion would be more spur of the moment.
One thing I wondered about. It says in the Visitation that Roger was slain at Blackheath, presumably as part of the Cornish rebellion. But there is a will of Roger Twynyho in 1497 (cited in his profile). Did he write his will before joining the
Gives this Roger Twynho, presumably the same one who petitioned for his grandmother's post mortem pardon as the eldest son and that he was Slain at Blackheath which took place in 1497.
It says he made his will on the 25th of May and the battle was on the 17th of June
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