On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:never existed. What do you think of it?
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she probably
"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she probablynever existed. What do you think of it?
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:never existed. What do you think of it?
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she probably
bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-saving Plan B."... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy seems a
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-saving Plan"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy seems
I'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:53:05 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
seems a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy
I'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.That book is from 1993. The 1662 and 1677 visitations make her Dorothy Beeston.
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:06:18 PM UTC-7, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:53:05 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
seems a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy
Would you post a link to these 1662 and 1677 visitationsI'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.That book is from 1993. The 1662 and 1677 visitations make her Dorothy Beeston.
Meanwhile I note an attempt to make this Dorothy (Beeston) Gregory (if she existed at all), into the daughter of
George /Beeston/ of Beeston, Cheshire; Knt by Alice /Davenport/
which she certainly was not.
This person, who was actually called Dorothy Beeston m
John /Coplestone/ of Eggesford or Eggford, co Devon
"aged 30 and more" 28 Eliz (1585-6)
and when he died, there was left a Sole heiress "aged 18" 1606 named Anne
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:53:05 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
seems a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy
I'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.That book is from 1993. The 1662 and 1677 visitations make her Dorothy Beeston.
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:53:05 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
seems a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy
ascent and aspirations. Hence "Dorothy FROM Beeston [Notts]" becomes Dorothy Beeston, daughter of Sir George Beeston from Cheshire.The 1993 book cites a pedigree in the Major Lawson Lowe MS. collection. This could well be a critical pedigree contradicting the status-climbing 1662 and 1677 visitations, which were definitely prepared after the family had had begun their socialI'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.That book is from 1993. The 1662 and 1677 visitations make her Dorothy Beeston.
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 10:02:44 UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:probably never existed. What do you think of it?
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:53:05 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 4:49:54 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
A terça-feira, 28 de setembro de 2021 à(s) 21:27:18 UTC+1, ravinma...@yahoo.com escreveu:
On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:29:55 PM UTC-4, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
Four years ago, I posted a thread about Henry Gregory in which his supposed grandmother Dorothy Beeston was discussed. In the mean time, her Wikitree profile, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5, has made a very good argument that she
seems a bit unlikely. Occam's razor would lead us to the conclusion that the first Dorothy was adopted by George Gregory to help support his claimed Highhurst descent, but she turned out to be probematic, so the second Dorothy was a probably a face-"... his son Thomas Gregory, a small farmer and grazier of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire, whose wife Dorothy came from Beeston; and their son John Gregory of Broughton Sulney ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Priory_Demesne_to_University_Campus/qYFnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&dq=%22whose+wife+Dorothy+came+from+Beeston%22&printsec=frontcover
"Dorothy CAME from Beeston," which is a local village in the vicinity of Lenton and Chilwell, near Nottingham (city), and not too far from Broughton Sulney.The Wikitree analysis says:
"It shoud be noted that there were Beeston families in the Nottingham area at the time (see map), so it would be possible for Thomas Gregory to have married a Beeston woman from the local region. But for her to also have the given name Dorothy
ascent and aspirations. Hence "Dorothy FROM Beeston [Notts]" becomes Dorothy Beeston, daughter of Sir George Beeston from Cheshire.The 1993 book cites a pedigree in the Major Lawson Lowe MS. collection. This could well be a critical pedigree contradicting the status-climbing 1662 and 1677 visitations, which were definitely prepared after the family had had begun their socialI'm not sure about any of that. I read the source I quoted as indicating she was Dorothy ____ from Beeston in Nottinghamshire, a known place near Broughton Sulney. She could be Dorothy Smith from Beeston or Dorothy Rogers from Beeston, etc.That book is from 1993. The 1662 and 1677 visitations make her Dorothy Beeston.
----------opportunity he might have had to complete his history. Mr Lowe was born in 1849 in the town of Beeston in Broxtowe Hundred, Nottinghamshire. The first part of his history was the "History of Broxtow Hundred" and included his Gregory Pedigree. It was
Comments on A.E. Lawson Lowe's Manuscript and Dorothy Beeston's Name
The manuscript that was in the possession of A. E. Lawson Lowe was written by himself in about 1871 for his _History of Nottinghamshire_ which unfortunately was never published. Lt. Col. Lowe died at age 39 in 1888, cutting short his life and any
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=dul1.ark:/13960/t1vf3k319&view=1up&seq=57&skin=2021does not predate George Gregory's pedigree and it does not disagree with his 1677 pedigree at any point. It extends it nicely with biographical information from the parish registers and provides the names of all of the children in the main Gregory line
Thus we do have a preserved copy of Lowe's manuscript Gregory Pedigree. This pedigree is based on George Gregory's 1677 pedigree as a starting point and carries it forward for another 200 years based on information from the Lenton Parish Registers. It
Following George Gregory, Lowe refers to Dorothy Beeston as "Dorothy, dau. of _______ Beeston". In other words, her name is "Dorothy Beeston" in Lowe's pedigree. Unfortunately, Henry Gregory was born just a bit too early, say 1590, to occur in theparish registers, so there is no new information on Henry in Lowe's pedigree.
I wouldn't read too much in to F.A. Barnes writing in 1993 that "Dorothy came from Beeston". He only makes the statement in passing based on Lowe's pedigree -- and we have that -- she is given there as "Dorothy Beeston". Barnes was clearly not tryingto make a claim one way or another about Dorothy's name.
In other words, we are back where we started: our only evidence that might be considered "primary source" is the two pedigrees drawn up by George Gregory over 100 years after Dorothy Beeston lived. They were drawn up with the express purpose of provinghis right to bear the arms of Gregory of Highhurst, so they need to be judged in that light -- i.e., they should not be considered the last word in historical accuracy. William Dugdale did not accept his Gregory of Highhurst descent for the 1662-64
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beeston-5a7zAhWlElkFHfbeAT0Q6AF6BAgDEAM#v=onepage&q=%22history%20of%20nottinghamshire%22%20%22lawson%20lowe%22%20reliquary&f=false
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References to A.E. Lawson Lowe's _History of Nottinghamshire_:
Announcement of his _History of Nottinghamshire_, The Reliquary, Vol 11, p 127:
https://books.google.com/books?id=lkcEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=%22history+of+nottinghamshire%22+%22lawson+lowe%22+reliquary&source=bl&ots=z6z3CVwWxR&sig=ACfU3U3OnUCJhi4lRGOzsBMksgpuE92ZSw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwighfLL_
Anouncement of his _History of Hundred of Broxtow_, The Reliquary, Vol 12, p 59:20reliquary&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=25c1AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA59&dq=lawson+lowe+history+nottinghamshire+reliquary&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid6Krd1q7zAhVECM0KHbWtB04Q6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=lawson%20lowe%20history%20nottinghamshire%
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