I'm struggling to find any consistent info on the ancestry of Walter de Cantilupe (d.1190), father of William d1239.

The info in the places that seem credible to me seem to stop at Walter.(this group, the fmg.ac page http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#WilliamCauntelodied1254)

The places where I can find ancestry going back further seem less credible: https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/pop-oswald-tree/P40198.php http://sites.rootsmagic.com/EDC1/individual.php?p=87283 https://www.davidleas.com/leas%20family%20genealogy/2/75758.htm

Can anyone help? Is it possible to credibly extend Walter's ancestry back further?

Thank you.

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Just found this in a previous group post (https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/HR8CcQ06I4M/m/MXAWzVW9iCkJ)

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6. Walter de Cantelou was born 1126 in Longueville, St Saviour, Jersey,
Channel Isles, and died ABT 1182. He was the son of 12. Walter de
Cantelou.

Children of Walter de Cantelou are:
...
ii. William I de Cantelou , of Aston Cantlow was born ABT 1158 in
Aston Cantlow, Alcester, Warwickshire, England, and died 7 APR 1239 in Ellesborough, Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England. He married Macelin
Braci ABT 1184, daughter of Adulph Braci. She was born 1163 in
Shropshire, England.
...
12. Walter de Cantelou was born ABT 1102 in Canteleu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of 24. Gilbert de Cantelou.
...
24. Gilbert de Cantelou was born ABT 1074 in Canteleu,
Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

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So: William de Cantelou b.c. 1158 Warks, son of Walter de Cantelou b.c.1126 in Jersey, son of Walter de Cantelou b.c.1102 in Normandy, son of Gilbert b.c.1074

Is this accepted as correct?

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Just found this in a previous group post (https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/HR8CcQ06I4M/m/MXAWzVW9iCkJ)

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6. Walter de Cantelou was born 1126 in Longueville, St Saviour, Jersey,
Channel Isles, and died ABT 1182. He was the son of 12. Walter de
Cantelou.


Children of Walter de Cantelou are:
...
ii. William I de Cantelou , of Aston Cantlow was born ABT 1158 in
Aston Cantlow, Alcester, Warwickshire, England, and died 7 APR 1239 in Ellesborough, Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England. He married Macelin
Braci ABT 1184, daughter of Adulph Braci. She was born 1163 in
Shropshire, England.
...
12. Walter de Cantelou was born ABT 1102 in Canteleu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of 24. Gilbert de Cantelou.
...
24. Gilbert de Cantelou was born ABT 1074 in Canteleu,
Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

QUOTE ENDS


So: William de Cantelou (d1239), son of Walter de Cantelou b.c.1102, son of Gilbert b.c.1074

Is this accepted as correct?

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On 03-Jul-22 10:42 PM, Dd Pk wrote:

Just found this in a previous group post (https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/HR8CcQ06I4M/m/MXAWzVW9iCkJ)

QUOTE STARTS
...
6. Walter de Cantelou was born 1126 in Longueville, St Saviour, Jersey, Channel Isles, and died ABT 1182. He was the son of 12. Walter de
Cantelou.

Children of Walter de Cantelou are:
...
ii. William I de Cantelou , of Aston Cantlow was born ABT 1158 in
Aston Cantlow, Alcester, Warwickshire, England, and died 7 APR 1239 in Ellesborough, Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England. He married Macelin
Braci ABT 1184, daughter of Adulph Braci. She was born 1163 in
Shropshire, England.
...
12. Walter de Cantelou was born ABT 1102 in Canteleu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He was the son of 24. Gilbert de Cantelou.
...
24. Gilbert de Cantelou was born ABT 1074 in Canteleu,
Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

QUOTE ENDS

So: William de Cantelou b.c. 1158 Warks, son of Walter de Cantelou b.c.1126 in Jersey, son of Walter de Cantelou b.c.1102 in Normandy, son of Gilbert b.c.1074

Is this accepted as correct?

No, it is speculative. Melissa Julian-Jones wrote her 2015 Cardiff
University PhD thesis on the Corbets and the Catilupes (here http://orca.cf.ac.uk/69064/). See p. 57: "Around 1155, a Gilbert de
Cantilupe was named as the seneschal of Robert Fitz Gerald, whose
charter granting the church of Clive to the monks of St Mary of Bec was ratified by Earl William de Roumare. This adds more weight to the idea
that the Cantilupes were used to high positions within the 'familia' of
great households, and so it is no surprise to find them in the comitial household of Prince John. William is mentioned as Prince John's
seneschal in 1197, and so had perhaps learned his administrative skills
from Gilbert, who may have been his uncle."

Peter Stewart

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Thanks for the clarification Peter

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