On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:46:13 AM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:52:24 AM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
An article was published in the April 2010 _TAG_ identifying the origins of Capt. Charles Chambers of Massachusetts, an ancestor of e. e. cummings and Benedict Cumberbatch.
https://americangenealogist.com/wp-content/uploads/84-2.pdf
Capt Charles Chambers was shown, somewhat indirectly, to be a nephew of Edward1 Palmes of Connecticut.
Recently I noticed a letter in the Winthrop papers, dated 7 March 1698/9, between the brothers Wait and Fitz-John Winthrop:
"About twenty passengers [in Capt. Foye's ship just arrived in Mass.], none of note but Mr. Lawson and a quibus to assist Mr. Miles, and Cous. Charles Chambers, who has sold his ship. He sayes he is sorry his unkle is gon. Twas not by his advice ..."
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924090636634&view=1up&seq=579&skin=2021&q1=%22charles%20cham%22
The previous November a letter in the same collection mentions that "Sir Hude," the Winthrops' special name for the difficult Mr. Edward Palmes, had just set sail, presumably for England. (See below for the nickname and the statement that Palmes
sailed for England in Nov. 1698 with his allies the Hallam brothers of Connecticut [this was concerning the Hallam-Liveen controversy of the period in which E. Palmes and the Winthrops found themselves on different sides, even though Palmes had been
married to their sister Lucy WInthrop]).
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Puritans_and_Yankees/HkTWCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22and+palmes%22&pg=PA331&printsec=frontcover
Therefore, Charles Chambers was the "Cous[in]" of the Winthrops, having been the nephew (by marriage) of their late sister Lucy Palmes.
"His unkle" must therefore be Edward Palmes.
I suspect the nickname "Sir Hude" is from Samuel Butler's contemporary mock epic poem _Hudibras_; one of Butler's characters, Sir Hudibras, is characterized by Wikipedia as "a knight errant who is described dramatically and with laudatory praise that
is so thickly applied as to be absurd, revealing the conceited and arrogant person visible beneath."
Plus, rhyming slang in which "Hude" equals "Rude" ...?
Other references to Sir Hude (i.e., Maj. Edward Palmes) in the Winthrop letters:
"What it is, you will finde in Mr Whartons letter to Mr Bradstreete, which he incloses to him rather then yourself, that Hude may have a sight of it." (Wait Winthrop, April 15th 1679).
"I he[a]re S Hude is in town, but have not seen him." (Wait Winthrop, June 30th 1698).
"The ships were gon with Mr Clark, Sr Hude, and his man before your letter or I came to town. Tis said a smale vessell will sayle after them in a week or fortnight, and I beleive sombody will write to Sr Henry [Ashurst]. The enclosed was given me as one
to myselfe, which I opened, but find it to you. When I came to Mr Saxtons I was informed that John Holla[ ] was sent for to Captn Masons to mete Sr Hude and his man Nick, who came over N. London ferry with me and were got thither, the Captn being com
hom the day before. I beleive he and Pigscomscut too (who, tis said, are reconciled) are of the confederacy. Anthony sayes Chappell boasts of holding his mill, having had advice, I suppose, from Hude, if not from the justice or the clerk. Somthing must
be don in that and other matters in time." (Wait Winthrop, Nov. 24th 1698).
"Rainsford [just returned from London] told me he saw the old gent., as he termd him, Sr. Hude, in his own haire and a short stumped sword. He began to tell him somthing of his business, but he could not attend him, but perceives he has don nothing yet
of it. I perceive he keeps in the same bulking posture, which will suit well there." (Wait Winthrop, May 1st 1699).
"The last week came Wentworth from London. Had the small pox on bord. A prety many ordinary passengers, amongst which is Sr Hude; but I hear nothing about his atcheiuments as yet." (Wait Winthrop, July 3rd 1699).
"I met Sr Hude in the street with his usuall bulk, who said he thought he had a letter from Cous. Read, and puld out the inclosed, with one or two more for me and Cous. Eps." (Wait Winthrop, July 18th 1699).
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