On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:00:28 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:correcting mistakes, researching information, and verifying what I have, and I've hit a roadblock with trying to find out who John Wakeman was and especially the lineage of Joan Beauchamp. I have found information on various genealogy websites but as we
Hi. Many years ago when I first started researching my family tree on Ancestry, I ignorantly added a person named John Wakeman (?1525-1586?) to my tree, along with his wife "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" (?1526-1587?). I'm now going through the tree and
Braybrook. I found a Richard mentioned as William and Elizabeth's son in History of Parliament by Josiah Wedgewood on page 54. This documents his parentage and the names of his parents (or at least better than the myriad genealogy sites that lack sources)One such site indicated Joan was the daughter of an Anthony Beauchamp and Anne West. The same site indicates Anthony was the son of Richard Beauchamp and Mary Wroughton, and then shows Richard as the son of William de Beauchamp and Elizabeth
Anthony Beauchamp discussed briefly on page 303 of the Complete Peerage XI. He is listed as "Anthony St. Amand" as the Barony of St. Amand was taken over by the Beauchamps upon the marriage of William de Beauchamp to Elizabeth Braybrook. Anthony isCan anyone add anything to this or maybe direct me to an online reference source to use to verify these lines?
Thanks in advance for reading. :)Just an update: Since posting this, I managed to find the line from Walter de Beauchamp to Richard de Beauchamp mentioned in A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire by Burke. I also found
Thanks again for reading.
Hi. Many years ago when I first started researching my family tree on Ancestry, I ignorantly added a person named John Wakeman (?1525-1586?) to my tree, along with his wife "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" (?1526-1587?). I'm now going through the tree andcorrecting mistakes, researching information, and verifying what I have, and I've hit a roadblock with trying to find out who John Wakeman was and especially the lineage of Joan Beauchamp. I have found information on various genealogy websites but as we
One such site indicated Joan was the daughter of an Anthony Beauchamp and Anne West. The same site indicates Anthony was the son of Richard Beauchamp and Mary Wroughton, and then shows Richard as the son of William de Beauchamp and Elizabeth Braybrook.I found a Richard mentioned as William and Elizabeth's son in History of Parliament by Josiah Wedgewood on page 54. This documents his parentage and the names of his parents (or at least better than the myriad genealogy sites that lack sources). On page
Can anyone add anything to this or maybe direct me to an online reference source to use to verify these lines?Just an update: Since posting this, I managed to find the line from Walter de Beauchamp to Richard de Beauchamp mentioned in A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire by Burke. I also found
Thanks in advance for reading. :)
The name "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" is a red flag the size of a building.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:08:34 PM UTC-7, joe...@gmail.com wrote:century. If it is intended as Joan Spencer-Beauchamp, with a double-barrel surname, again this would be completely anachronistic (people sometimes appear with different surnames in different documents, but two surnames at once would be extremely unusual).
The name "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" is a red flag the size of a building.I was thinking the same. It is unclear what this name is intended to represent. If it means Joan Spencer Beauchamp where Spencer is a middle name, it would be completely anachronistic. Such a 'middle name' would be entirely unexpected in the 16th
Google searches for the string "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" also give the impression this is something that arose very recently, in the age of internet genealogy.
The take-home: before wasting time on the Beauchamps, you need to get a better grip on what the reality of the situation is with this specific marriage.
taf
I've seen people where the "middle name" is the mother's maiden name, as if the
person compiling the data couldn't accept that people haven't always had middle
names (and don't always have them, even now).
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 5:24:51 PM UTC-7, pj.ev...@gmail.com wrote:books never read the prefaces that explain this usage, and many now adamantly insist these are part of the peoples' actual names.
I've seen people where the "middle name" is the mother's maiden name, as if theI have also seen this in a few 19th century genealogies, not out of mistaken beliefs about middle names, but simply as an artificial but convenient way to distinguish multiple family members with the same given name. Unfortunately, later readers of the
person compiling the data couldn't accept that people haven't always had middle
names (and don't always have them, even now).
taf
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 3:44:48 PM UTC-4, gdcarl...@gmail.com wrote:correcting mistakes, researching information, and verifying what I have, and I've hit a roadblock with trying to find out who John Wakeman was and especially the lineage of Joan Beauchamp. I have found information on various genealogy websites but as we
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 1:00:28 PM UTC-5, fosgate3 wrote:
Hi. Many years ago when I first started researching my family tree on Ancestry, I ignorantly added a person named John Wakeman (?1525-1586?) to my tree, along with his wife "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" (?1526-1587?). I'm now going through the tree and
Braybrook. I found a Richard mentioned as William and Elizabeth's son in History of Parliament by Josiah Wedgewood on page 54. This documents his parentage and the names of his parents (or at least better than the myriad genealogy sites that lack sources)One such site indicated Joan was the daughter of an Anthony Beauchamp and Anne West. The same site indicates Anthony was the son of Richard Beauchamp and Mary Wroughton, and then shows Richard as the son of William de Beauchamp and Elizabeth
Anthony Beauchamp discussed briefly on page 303 of the Complete Peerage XI. He is listed as "Anthony St. Amand" as the Barony of St. Amand was taken over by the Beauchamps upon the marriage of William de Beauchamp to Elizabeth Braybrook. Anthony isCan anyone add anything to this or maybe direct me to an online reference source to use to verify these lines?
Thanks in advance for reading. :)Just an update: Since posting this, I managed to find the line from Walter de Beauchamp to Richard de Beauchamp mentioned in A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire by Burke. I also found
It raised an alarm to me too. I have never seen middle names used prior to 1700s (or very rarely used) in my research---at least not like this. I was really concerned this was unsupported which is why I asked for help. I'm going to remove her from myThanks again for reading.The name "Joan Spencer Beauchamp" is a red flag the size of a building. This is the critical "link" in your chain, and I would be highly highly skeptical that you are on a path to finding a valid link, unfortunately.
--Joe C
I would say not supported by any credible source.
However, this is an attempt to link the known Francis Wakeman of Chaddesley and of Bewdley, to his assumed parents John and *Joan* and then give Joan a maiden name.
So it should be rather read Joan, perhaps Spencer, perhaps Beauchamp.
If it is intended as Joan Spencer-Beauchamp, with a double-barrel surname, again
this would be completely anachronistic (people sometimes appear with different
surnames in different documents, but two surnames at once would be extremely unusual).
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