There is an Escheat (5H8 n 42) for Edward Villiers of Hothorpe who d 26 Jun 1513. I have not seen the original but is has been described as stating that Clement, his heir was "aged 17 1/2"
https://books.google.com/books?id=f-A_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA830
"aged 17 1/12" at his father's death
While looking for details on the life of Clement, I could find almost nothing, so I went looking for his other family and discovered him by accident under Vyllers
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4456870
Clement Vyllers, Gent 1539
From this document we can see that he was apparently sharing (?) responsibility for the court baron with firstly Sir Thomas Pulteney.
We identify this man as that one of Misterton Leics, m Anne Shirley and had at least two sons and three daughters : Agnes, Elizabeth, Francis (male), Richard and Rose
We can see, if this is him, that he must have died exactly in 1539/40 as his son Francis esq then takes over the court baron jointly.
Leo has this man apparently dead in 1507 which must be I suggest, his *father*. Otherwise the possibility that this Sir Thomas, was a son of another Sir Thomas of Misterton. I haven't explored all of these possibilities.
This also gives us the information that Francis Pulteney was yet living in 1542 but we know he was probate in 1544
On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 4:54:07 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
There is an Escheat (5H8 n 42) for Edward Villiers of Hothorpe who d 26 Jun 1513. I have not seen the original but is has been described as stating that Clement, his heir was "aged 17 1/2"
https://books.google.com/books?id=f-A_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA830
"aged 17 1/12" at his father's death
While looking for details on the life of Clement, I could find almost nothing, so I went looking for his other family and discovered him by accident under Vyllers
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4456870
Clement Vyllers, Gent 1539
From this document we can see that he was apparently sharing (?) responsibility for the court baron with firstly Sir Thomas Pulteney.
We identify this man as that one of Misterton Leics, m Anne Shirley and had at least two sons and three daughters : Agnes, Elizabeth, Francis (male), Richard and Rose
We can see, if this is him, that he must have died exactly in 1539/40 as his son Francis esq then takes over the court baron jointly.
Leo has this man apparently dead in 1507 which must be I suggest, his *father*. Otherwise the possibility that this Sir Thomas, was a son of another Sir Thomas of Misterton. I haven't explored all of these possibilities.
This also gives us the information that Francis Pulteney was yet living in 1542 but we know he was probate in 1544Francis Pulteney died 1 Edward VI.
Sir Thomas Pulteney (d. 1507) in Genealogics was the father of the Sir Thomas Pulteney who married Anne Shirley.
Both the senior Sir Thomas Pulteney (but not his son) and Clement Villiers are ancestral to Princes William and Harry.
[BTW - and totally OT - Time magazine, in its current issue, lists among the "100 Most Influential People" (wait for it) Prince Harry and Meghan. Further comment would be inappropriate here.]
On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:03:34 PM UTC-7, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:Hello, I know this is an old post, but do we know the children of Clement or his sisters?
On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 4:54:07 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
There is an Escheat (5H8 n 42) for Edward Villiers of Hothorpe who d 26 Jun 1513. I have not seen the original but is has been described as stating that Clement, his heir was "aged 17 1/2"
https://books.google.com/books?id=f-A_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA830
"aged 17 1/12" at his father's death
While looking for details on the life of Clement, I could find almost nothing, so I went looking for his other family and discovered him by accident under Vyllers
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4456870
Clement Vyllers, Gent 1539
From this document we can see that he was apparently sharing (?) responsibility for the court baron with firstly Sir Thomas Pulteney.
We identify this man as that one of Misterton Leics, m Anne Shirley and had at least two sons and three daughters : Agnes, Elizabeth, Francis (male), Richard and Rose
We can see, if this is him, that he must have died exactly in 1539/40 as his son Francis esq then takes over the court baron jointly.
Leo has this man apparently dead in 1507 which must be I suggest, his *father*. Otherwise the possibility that this Sir Thomas, was a son of another Sir Thomas of Misterton. I haven't explored all of these possibilities.
This also gives us the information that Francis Pulteney was yet living in 1542 but we know he was probate in 1544Francis Pulteney died 1 Edward VI.
Sir Thomas Pulteney (d. 1507) in Genealogics was the father of the Sir Thomas Pulteney who married Anne Shirley.
Both the senior Sir Thomas Pulteney (but not his son) and Clement Villiers are ancestral to Princes William and Harry.
[BTW - and totally OT - Time magazine, in its current issue, lists among the "100 Most Influential People" (wait for it) Prince Harry and Meghan. Further comment would be inappropriate here.]And also ancestral to Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York
William Ponsonby, 2nd Earl of /Bessborough/ 1758-1793
appears in her chart at 506
while his younger brother John is eight generations behind Princess Diana
It helps for Harry and Meghan to be considered influential that he is sexier than his brother.
Do we know the other Villiers who were at Hothorpe? In the 1530s?
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:54:56 PM UTC-4, Thomas Dudley-Bonnett wrote:Thank you for your reply.
Do we know the other Villiers who were at Hothorpe? In the 1530s?Hi Thomas,
Here are some sources relating to the Villiers of Hothorpe that I've come across previously:
The Visitation of the County of Leicester in the Year 1619 https://books.google.ca/books?id=Lr4KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q&f=false
Lincolnshire Pedigrees, Volume 52 by Arthur Roland Maddison,1904 https://books.google.ca/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1029-IA2#v=onepage&q&f=false
The history and antiquities of the county of Leicester : Vol. 2, Part 2 by John Nichols, 1798, pg. 830 http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll6/id/5332
The History and Antiquities of the County of Leicestershire by John Nichols, London, 1795–1815. Volume III, page 198 http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll6/id/6492
The History of Market Harborough by John Harwood Hill, 1875, pg. 284 https://books.google.ca/books?id=7PxGAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA284#v=onepage&q&f=false
History, topography, and directory of Northamptonshire, by Francis Whellan ,1874, pg. 310 https://www.google.ca/books/edition/History_topography_and_directory_of_Nort/NRAHAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA310&printsec=frontcover
All the best,
Andrew
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