• Re: Mildred Reade's bequest to her nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, 16

    From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Fri Feb 18 08:55:39 2022
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630,
    mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our
    Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.

    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Fri Feb 18 08:26:45 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630,
    mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our
    Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.

    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Sat Feb 19 10:47:12 2022
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630,
    mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of Our
    Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html

    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper of
    Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there
    that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover

    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to JBrand on Sat Feb 19 17:03:41 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630,
    mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of
    Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper
    of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there
    that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover

    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife: https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to JBrand on Mon Feb 21 07:19:42 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15, 1630,
    mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign of
    Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and innkeeper
    of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had property there
    that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife: https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland

    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 18 15:09:19 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15,
    1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the reign
    of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and
    innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover


    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house her
    separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement
    and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Mon Jul 18 17:24:01 2022
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15,
    1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the
    reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of Hasborne.
    "

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and
    innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house
    her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement and
    brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?

    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to JBrand on Mon Jul 18 20:47:48 2022
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug. 15,
    1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the
    reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of
    Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and
    innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to house
    her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement
    and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf

    1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her
    to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to JBrand on Tue Jul 19 08:14:55 2022
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug.
    15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of the
    reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of
    Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and
    innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to
    house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage, tenement
    and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
    1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow her
    to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover

    The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:

    "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."

    --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
    --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
    --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
    --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
    --Father White, best nag
    --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
    --my man Ellis
    --my man John
    --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes of
    lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
    --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
    --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage
    --William Scrase five pounds
    --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Tue Jul 19 11:55:24 2022
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated Aug.
    15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of
    the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of
    Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner and
    innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to
    house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage,
    tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
    1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow
    her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
    The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:

    "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."

    --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
    --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
    --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
    --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
    --Father White, best nag
    --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
    --my man Ellis
    --my man John
    --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes
    of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
    --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
    --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage
    --William Scrase five pounds
    --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]

    This marriage probably applies:

    Edward Hunte
    Principal
    England Marriages, 1538–1973

    Marriage 25 February 1583
    Shoreham, Kent, England, United Kingdom

    Spouses: Mary Morrice

    I draw this conclusion because of the 28 Sept. 1590 (/ proved 10 Nov. 1591) will of John White of Otham [not Offam], Kent, gent., which is very brief but mentions an earlier will "wherein my late Wife and son Morrice were executors." Debts and legacies
    are "sett Downe in a note lefte with my executors." Executors are Sir Thomas Fludde, Leven Bufkin, Michael Basford [i.e., Beresford], Thomas Torny, and Robert Moyle [in other words, the opposing parties in the Chancery Decree of 1592]. Witnesses Edward
    Hewes, Thomas Smyth, John Jerrode, Thomas Crowe.

    My interpretation is that Mary Morrice was the stepdaughter of John White, whose wife ["Mris White"] perhaps had a daughter and son Morrice by an earlier marriage. Or perhaps Mary was the widow of the son Morrice?

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Thu Jul 21 09:35:04 2022
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:55:30 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated
    Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year of
    the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar, of
    Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner
    and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband to
    house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage,
    tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
    1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to allow
    her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
    The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:

    "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."

    --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
    --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
    --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
    --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
    --Father White, best nag
    --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
    --my man Ellis
    --my man John
    --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and stayednes
    of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
    --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
    --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage --William Scrase five pounds
    --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]
    This marriage probably applies:

    Edward Hunte
    Principal
    England Marriages, 1538–1973

    Marriage 25 February 1583
    Shoreham, Kent, England, United Kingdom

    Spouses: Mary Morrice

    I draw this conclusion because of the 28 Sept. 1590 (/ proved 10 Nov. 1591) will of John White of Otham [not Offam], Kent, gent., which is very brief but mentions an earlier will "wherein my late Wife and son Morrice were executors." Debts and legacies
    are "sett Downe in a note lefte with my executors." Executors are Sir Thomas Fludde, Leven Bufkin, Michael Basford [i.e., Beresford], Thomas Torny, and Robert Moyle [in other words, the opposing parties in the Chancery Decree of 1592]. Witnesses Edward
    Hewes, Thomas Smyth, John Jerrode, Thomas Crowe.

    My interpretation is that Mary Morrice was the stepdaughter of John White, whose wife ["Mris White"] perhaps had a daughter and son Morrice by an earlier marriage. Or perhaps Mary was the widow of the son Morrice?

    "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."

    "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the petitioners
    may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Reade’s will.[25]
    It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."

    https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Thu Jul 21 12:56:16 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:55:30 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:14:56 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 8:24:03 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:09:21 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:19:45 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 8:03:44 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:47:15 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:55:42 AM UTC-5, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:26:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    I'll stress heavily that I think this probably does not actually connect to the Mayhews of Martha's Vineyard.

    Banks's _History of Martha's Vineyard_ mentions in passing that there was a "Thomas Mayhowe" baptized August 1617 at St. Martin's in the Fields, London, and that "[t]he will of Mildred Reade of Linkenhurst, Co. Hants, widow, dated
    Aug. 15, 1630, mentions her nephew "Thomas Mayhew the younger."

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002001112078&view=1up&seq=127&skin=2021&q1=mildred

    The place name is given wrongly; Linkenhurst should be "Linkenholt" ... this is actually Mildred (Windebank) Reade, an ancestor of President George Washington.

    The will of Mildred is on the web and states: "I bequeath to my nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger, one cow and six ewes." Also ... "In witness whereof I have to these present set my hand and seale this 15 August in the sixth year
    of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord Charles etc A.D. 1630 in the presence of Henry Reade and Thomas Mayhew."

    This could be taken to possibly indicate an underage nephew "Mayhew the younger," with his father, also named Thomas Mayhew, as a witness.

    http://www.thehennesseefamily.com/getperson.php?personID=I35805&tree=hennessee

    Or, I suppose, "nephew Thomas Mayhew the younger" could also be the same witness.

    A very long account of the Reade family of Faccombe, Hampshire, is given here:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/VapOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22andrew+hanwell%22&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    Notice particularly the one paragraph which reads:

    "Robert Read, the second son, is mentioned in the will of his grandfather. There are also mentioned Margaret, Mildred (who married Thomas Mahew, of county Suffolk), and Anne, named after her grandmother, who married John Helyar,
    of Hasborne."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Athenaeum/vYE3AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22godson+andrew+hanwell%22+mildred+mahew&pg=PA378&printsec=frontcover

    The rambling narratives makes it a little hard to place Mildred (? Reade) Mahew "of Suffolk," but at least seems to indicate she was a Reade, not a Windebank.
    The imposing website "DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD III: A Continuation of the Marquis de Ruvigny's The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal" gives the daughter of Henry Reade and Anne Windebank as:

    5k. Mildred READE, bap. 1596 Feb 8; married 1624 Feb 15, Richard BLAKE and/or Thomas MAHEW of Suffolk.

    The date is wrong and should be 15 Feb. 1621/2, as the parish register of Linkenholt shows:

    Richard Blake, gent., & Mildred Read of Faccomb

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers_Stoke_Charity/VgUVAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22richard+blake%22+mildred&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover

    I suppose it's possible Mr. Blake died soon after and Mildred remarried to Mahew the younger, or had her own son Mahew the younger before the date of Mildred (Windebank) Reade's will.
    https://www.angelfire.com/realm3/ruvignyplus/index.html
    My own descent from Mayhew is via a second wife of Thomas Mayhew, Sr., the agent of Craddock in New England, the son being a minister and translator/ teacher of the native language. The second wife's parents were Edward Galland, vintner
    and innkeeper of Wantage, by a wife Agnes, shown as "Agnes Wilmot" in their marriage record ca. 1600. However, as I have pointed out, Oxford Surveys published ca. 1960 seems to indicate that one Oxford dweller, William Spenser, of the same period, had
    property there that descended to his daughter Agnes Galland. Snippets I can read state:

    "It had been once of Will. Spenser, then of Agnes Galland his daughter; Chillingworth had bought it of Edward Galland ..."

    [two pages earlier] "VII. 500. 12 Jac. 1 to Edward Galland of Wantage vintner; 40 years."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22galland%20his%20daughter%22

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Survey_of_Oxford/Re1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&dq=oxford+survey+%22edward+galland%22&printsec=frontcover


    It's possible that Agnes Spenser was the mother of Edward Galland, or that "Agnes Wilmot" married 1600 was nee Spenser.

    The property may be this one in St. Martin, Oxford, the subject of a James I era indenture involving Arthur Lake, DD., and "Edward Galland" for forty years.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Charters_and_Rolls_Preserved/DOL1whHHEdAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=oxford+%22edward+galland%22&pg=PA284&printsec=frontcover
    This Edward Galland, deacon in the C of E, was a brother of the second wife:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Register_of_St_John_s_Col/jhsIycOY6N8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=galland
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    I should point of that it's clear that Thomas Windebank, d. 1607, clerk of the Signet had another wife (ie., a later wife) than Frances Dymmoke. This was a certain Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq.

    See the letter below in which Mary Windebank writes to her husband Thomas in mid-1600, mentioning the impending marriage of "your daughter Mildred" to Mr. Reade's son. (Mary apparently did not get along with the Reades and asked her husband
    to house her separately during the wedding festivities, during which the Reades would descend upon their property at Haynes Hill).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_State_Papers/wII9AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22mary+windebank%22&pg=PA440&printsec=frontcover

    Mary Windebank's identity is shown in List & Index Society, vol. 253 [Calendar of Chancery Decree Rolls, C 78/46-85, published 1994], in entry C 78/69/12:

    "13 June 34 Eliz ...... Thomas Windebank, clerk of the signet and wife Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, esq v[ersus] Sir Thomas Fludde, Lyving Bufkyn [sic], Michael Berysforde, Thomas Turney and Robert Moyle, esqs [. . . ] Lease of a messuage,
    tenement and brewhouse called the Vyne and other premises in St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey."

    Is it possible that Thomas Windebank had younger children by Mary (____) Hunte?
    http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no69.pdf
    1596 letter of Mrs. Mary Windebank to Cecil to "be a means" to Mr. Windebank that he will send his difficult married daughter [apparently Anne Windebank, already married to another son of Mr. Reade] home so that she may have some peace; or to
    allow her to take the goods she brought to the marriage and depart.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_the_Manuscripts_of_the_Most/CvlVAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thos+wyndebancke&pg=RA1-PA400&printsec=frontcover
    The 20 Oct. 1587 will of Edward Hunt of Saint Saviour's, Southwark, co. Surrey (proved 31 Oct. 1587) could be germane, as that was the parish mentioned in the Windebank chancery decree item of 1592:

    "I Edward Hunt of the parishe churche of Sainte Savyors in Southwarke in the County of Surrey, Esquier ..."

    --brother Ffrancis Hunt ten pounds
    --brother's wife Mary, ten pounds
    --their two children, ten pounds (five pounds a piece)
    --Mris White, my Mother in Lawe, seven pounds
    --Father White, best nag
    --Uncle Hunt, forgiven 20 s.
    --my man Ellis
    --my man John
    --"All the Rest of my Lands moveables and goods and howsehold stuff I give and bequeathe unto Marye my wellbeloved and most deerest wyfe for whome I aske at gods hands that he willgoe before her in all her wayes by direction constitucon and
    stayednes of lyfe, and that of his lyke mercye he wilbe gratious and favourable unto the yssue wherewith her bodye is nowe possessed whiche saide Marye I Doe make and ordayne my sole trusty and onely executrix of this my Last will and testament ..."
    --my cousin John White of Offam, gent., overseer
    --unborn child to have third part at twenty one years or marriage --William Scrase five pounds
    --Witnesses = John White (the writer), Edmond Ellis, John ffidge [mark]
    This marriage probably applies:

    Edward Hunte
    Principal
    England Marriages, 1538–1973

    Marriage 25 February 1583
    Shoreham, Kent, England, United Kingdom

    Spouses: Mary Morrice

    I draw this conclusion because of the 28 Sept. 1590 (/ proved 10 Nov. 1591) will of John White of Otham [not Offam], Kent, gent., which is very brief but mentions an earlier will "wherein my late Wife and son Morrice were executors." Debts and
    legacies are "sett Downe in a note lefte with my executors." Executors are Sir Thomas Fludde, Leven Bufkin, Michael Basford [i.e., Beresford], Thomas Torny, and Robert Moyle [in other words, the opposing parties in the Chancery Decree of 1592]. Witnesses
    Edward Hewes, Thomas Smyth, John Jerrode, Thomas Crowe.

    My interpretation is that Mary Morrice was the stepdaughter of John White, whose wife ["Mris White"] perhaps had a daughter and son Morrice by an earlier marriage. Or perhaps Mary was the widow of the son Morrice?
    "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."

    "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the petitioners
    may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Reade’s will.[25]
    It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."

    https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/

    Jan Broadway, Richard Cust, Stephen K. Roberts, ed., _A Calendar of the Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-1640_, 4 vols., (Lists & INdex Society, 2004), 1:178:

    date: 25/05/1630
    Ref: 603183/97 Erecting office of clerk for the writing & entering of licences & passes to be granted by any commissioners to any persons going out of this realm from the ports of Bristol, Beaumaris, Chester & Liverpool. Office is granted to
    Patrick Crawford & Mathew Birkenhead gents. during life with a fee of 6d. from every passenger. They are to certify their book of licences into the Exchequer annually. Endorsed on reverse: not passed.

    1:197:

    date: 10/05/1636
    Ref: 603183/440 Thomas Mayhew gent. granted office of clerk of the passes in the outports for 21 years from expiry of 21 years granted to William Simsby 22 March 17 James I & of clerk of the passes in London. Endorsed: by Mayhew 'I am content & do
    promise to abide the order & direction of my lord keeper [i.e., Coventry] to be set between me & others pretenders to this office & abide such direction as he shall think just & fitting therein'. Enc.

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  • From Jan Wolfe@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Sat Jul 23 08:59:25 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    ...
    "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."

    "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the
    petitioners may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Readeâ€
    ™s will.[25] It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."

    https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/
    Jan Broadway, Richard Cust, Stephen K. Roberts, ed., _A Calendar of the Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-1640_, 4 vols., (Lists & INdex Society, 2004), 1:178:

    date: 25/05/1630
    Ref: 603183/97 Erecting office of clerk for the writing & entering of licences & passes to be granted by any commissioners to any persons going out of this realm from the ports of Bristol, Beaumaris, Chester & Liverpool. Office is granted to Patrick
    Crawford & Mathew Birkenhead gents. during life with a fee of 6d. from every passenger. They are to certify their book of licences into the Exchequer annually. Endorsed on reverse: not passed.

    1:197:

    date: 10/05/1636
    Ref: 603183/440 Thomas Mayhew gent. granted office of clerk of the passes in the outports for 21 years from expiry of 21 years granted to William Simsby 22 March 17 James I & of clerk of the passes in London. Endorsed: by Mayhew 'I am content & do
    promise to abide the order & direction of my lord keeper [i.e., Coventry] to be set between me & others pretenders to this office & abide such direction as he shall think just & fitting therein'. Enc.

    Do you infer from this record that the Thomas Mayhew granted the offices of the passes in 1636 is not the same man as the Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593) who was in Massachusetts at this time? And also not his son Thomas who was a teenager at this time? And that
    therefore the bequest to a nephew Thomas Mayhew reported above does not supply a clue concerning the identity of the first wife of Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593)?

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  • From JBrand@21:1/5 to Jan Wolfe on Sat Jul 23 11:00:09 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:59:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote: ...
    "A Mr. Mayhew, with the support of Secretary Windebank and Attorney General Bankes, was about to receive the right to operate this business, thus threatening the petitioners’ very livelihood."

    "Why was Thomas Mayhew favoured in 1636 over the petitioners? That he received the backing of Secretary Windebank, a high ranking official, was clearly important. A possible explanation for this support is a family connection, of which the
    petitioners may not have been aware. A Mildred Reade is recorded as sister to a Francis Windebank. A Thomas Mayhew is her nephew and so Windebank’s nephew also. This Mayhew was sufficiently well thought of in 1630 to receive a bequest in Mildred Readeâ€
    ™s will.[25] It is likely that this is the same Thomas Mayhew, cashing in on the patronage of a well-placed uncle, who in 1636 ousted the petitioners from their role."

    https://petitioning.history.ac.uk/investigating-petitioners/1636-milicent-birkenhead-and-edward-thoroughgood-seek-to-profit-from-issuing-passports/
    Jan Broadway, Richard Cust, Stephen K. Roberts, ed., _A Calendar of the Docquets of Lord Keeper Coventry, 1625-1640_, 4 vols., (Lists & INdex Society, 2004), 1:178:

    date: 25/05/1630
    Ref: 603183/97 Erecting office of clerk for the writing & entering of licences & passes to be granted by any commissioners to any persons going out of this realm from the ports of Bristol, Beaumaris, Chester & Liverpool. Office is granted to Patrick
    Crawford & Mathew Birkenhead gents. during life with a fee of 6d. from every passenger. They are to certify their book of licences into the Exchequer annually. Endorsed on reverse: not passed.

    1:197:

    date: 10/05/1636
    Ref: 603183/440 Thomas Mayhew gent. granted office of clerk of the passes in the outports for 21 years from expiry of 21 years granted to William Simsby 22 March 17 James I & of clerk of the passes in London. Endorsed: by Mayhew 'I am content & do
    promise to abide the order & direction of my lord keeper [i.e., Coventry] to be set between me & others pretenders to this office & abide such direction as he shall think just & fitting therein'. Enc.
    Do you infer from this record that the Thomas Mayhew granted the offices of the passes in 1636 is not the same man as the Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593) who was in Massachusetts at this time? And also not his son Thomas who was a teenager at this time? And
    that therefore the bequest to a nephew Thomas Mayhew reported above does not supply a clue concerning the identity of the first wife of Thomas Mayhew (b. 1593)?

    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be a
    brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office
    was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.

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  • From Jan Wolfe@21:1/5 to JBrand on Sat Jul 23 20:27:14 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could be
    a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the office
    was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.

    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time
    that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https://
    babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Jan Wolfe on Mon Jul 25 08:39:09 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could
    be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the
    office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the time
    that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (https:/
    /babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)

    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often dealt
    with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those wretched
    brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 09:15:08 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and could
    be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the
    office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the
    time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (
    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often
    dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22

    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 09:25:46 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and
    could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in the
    office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the
    time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (
    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often
    dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the Tower.)


    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22

    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years,
    has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the
    clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 09:28:22 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and
    could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in
    the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about the
    time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior." (
    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are often
    dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the
    Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas Paine).


    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years,
    has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the
    clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).


    Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 09:44:43 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter and
    could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy in
    the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about
    the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to the
    Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior."
    (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are
    often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the
    Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas
    Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7 years,
    has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the
    clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
    Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"

    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover

    Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 11:42:32 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
    ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter
    and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy
    in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence about
    the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to
    the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good behavior.
    " (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are
    often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry
    thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in the
    Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas
    Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7
    years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom the
    clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
    Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).

    The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

    This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 11:55:21 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote: ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter
    and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy
    in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence
    about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to
    the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good
    behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are
    often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry
    thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in
    the Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas
    Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7
    years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom
    the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
    Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).
    The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

    This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

    "Cousin Edward Reade" is probably this person ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Carolina_Virginia_Genealogy/vLVbAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22edward+reade%22+linkenholt&pg=PA272&printsec=frontcover

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Mon Jul 25 12:39:58 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:28:24 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:27:15 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote: ...
    Hi Jan,

    I think it could be _possible_ that the grant of this office was to the New England Thomas Mayhew (though probably to the father, not to the son). Therefore the father is the one who _may_ have been married (first) to a Windebank daughter
    and could be a brother-in-law, not nephew, of Francis Windebank. Still, the grant could have been ultimately for the benefit of the son, Thomas Junior.

    I have been through some of the years of the contemporary _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ and noted two mentions (at least) of Thomas Mayhew, clerk of passes or passports. Around 1640, Thomas Mayhew wrote to Windebank that his deputy
    in the office was not passing along the profits to him. Around 1660, Thomas Mayhew wrote to indicate that a new royal decree forbidding voyages without a passport would possibly aid him in his duties.

    There may be other references. If someone wants to hunt them down and post them, that would be much appreciated. Otherwise, I'll check the stacks again on Monday and do a more systematic search.

    The 1640 reference indicates Thomas Mayhew was doing his duties (at least partially) through a deputy.

    The senior Thomas Mayhew, Governor of Martha's Vineyard, was still living in 1660, not dying until sometime in the early 1680s, I believe. The son had died on a return voyage to England in 1657.
    I notice that the grant of the office was made in 1636, but the office was to commence at the expiration of the grant for 21 years made to the current holder on 22 March 17 James I. Thus the revenue stream from the office would commence
    about the time that Thomas Mayhew Junior came of age.

    Some of the volumes of _Calendar of State Papers, Domestic_ are "full view" on Hathi. The following entry dated 14 November 1650 may be relevant to your interpretation:
    "Order on the matter touching - Mayhew - senior and junior, and - Ball, Excise officers at Oxford, and the proofs returned in support of the information formerly given against them, that the papers concerning that business be transmitted to
    the Commissioners of Excise in London, who are to consider the representations touching those under officers, and take such order as is agreeable to their trust, and for the service of the commonwealth, the cause as to those parties settling or removing
    being proper for their cognizance; also the Commissioners for sequestrations in the said county are to take knowledge of the informations against these men, so far as concerns sequestration and delinquency, and proceed therein according to the directions
    of Parliament." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=480)

    Earlier in the year (July 24), "The petition of Rich. Bull and Thos. Mayhew; [was] referred to the committee for Examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=302)

    A recognizance (dated August 10) for Rich. Bull and Thomas Mayhew, junior, residence Aldgate, co. Oxon, was issued with the condition, "Appearance when required before Lieut. Col. Kelsey, Deputy Governor of Oxon, and others, and good
    behavior." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=570)

    On November 7, "The examinations against - Mayhew; [were] referred to the Committee for examinations." (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=miun.abd6186.0002.001&view=1up&seq=470)
    Interesting. I went through the rest of these State Papers for the Interregnum period, only finding that in 1649 Thomas Mayhew petitioned for clerk of passes at Dover.

    I don't find any other references to the two Mayhews being involved with the excise, nor Richard Ball/ Bull, either, for that matter (I also checked the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, which only begin in 1660, unfortunately [excise matters are
    often dealt with in detail in those vols]). There are a couple references to a Richard Bull having served in the Navy for long years. The naval matters calendared during the Interregnum leave much to be desired as far as completeness (they are all those
    wretched brief vertical entries packed for hundreds of pages at the back of each volume).

    The other reference I mentioned around 1660 occurs in the series for Charles II:

    [1660. Nov.?] 179. Thomas Mayhew. For a warrant for a Proclamation to forbid passing beyond seas without licence, in order to the better performance of his office of clerk of the passage for granting such licences, and keeping a registry
    thereof.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x001326098&view=1up&seq=429&skin=2021&q1=mayhew

    While this looks like some sort of directive addressed TO Thomas Mayhew, the index indicates it is actually a petition FROM him. (I suppose he is not identical to the Thomas "Matthew" mentioned on the same page as having been a prisoner in
    the Tower.)

    I suppose it is possible the two New England Thomas Mayhews were briefly in England in 1650. Certainly, the second wife of Thomas Mayhew had been in England around 1642 "to settle her son's rights" (i.e., her son by the first husband, Thomas
    Paine).

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t2q53t34x&view=1up&seq=183&skin=2021&q1=%22mayhew%20was%20in%20england%22
    I was wrong about the _Calendar of Treasury Books_, as an undated petition from HENRY Ball mentions losing the position of "clerk of the passes in all the ports" to "one Mayhew" ...

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clerk+of+the+passes%22+mayhew&pg=PA1594&printsec=frontcover

    Other mentions of Henry Ball from the 1670s ... Could he be the son of Richard "Ball" of 1650?

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Calendar_of_Treasury_Books_Preserved_in/ArUKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22henry%20ball%22
    This is germane and may show conclusively that the Martha's Vineyard people were _not_ involved:

    [? 1670] Margery, widow of Thos. Mayhew, to Lord Arlington, for restoration to her of a patent granted to her late husband of the clerkship of passes, and left to her for maintenance; it is detained because John Trye, to whom it was left for 7
    years, has been ordered to appear for some misconduct therein.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d005874813&view=1up&seq=632&skin=2021&q1=%22margery%20widow%22

    I say "may show" because there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670. However, my theory had been that the father, Thomas Senior, was the one to whom
    the clerkship was granted; Thomas Mayhew Sen. was still alive in 1670 (and the Christian name of his second wife was Jane).
    Errrckk. "... there is no record in New England of the Christian name of the WIFE of the younger Thomas Mayhew of Martha's Vineyard, though he was deceased by 1670"
    Possibly of interest ...

    Overton, Hampshire

    --Thomas Mayhew & Margery Palmer [married] ... Mar. 1644 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hampshire_Parish_Registers/McMUAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22margery+palmer%22+mahew&pg=PA74&printsec=frontcover
    Overton is not too far from Linkenholt and Faccombe (places associated with the Reades/ Windebanks).
    The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

    This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover

    The will also gives to his son Thomas "my Grant of the Office of Clerke of the Passes."

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  • From Jan Wolfe@21:1/5 to ravinma...@yahoo.com on Thu Jul 28 12:54:38 2022
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    ...
    The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

    This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover
    The will also gives to his son Thomas "my Grant of the Office of Clerke of the Passes."

    Thanks for your extensive work on this topic and posting the information in this thread, John. I think your most recent posts demonstrate that the records discussed are not for the Thomas Mayhew who settled on Martha's Vineyard nor his son, and thus do
    not provide clues to the identity of the unknown first wife of Thomas senior. Perhaps that is disappointing, but it's useful to have this set of records well sorted out and analyzed.

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  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Jan Wolfe on Thu Jul 28 14:54:17 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:54:40 PM UTC-4, Jan Wolfe wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 3:40:00 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    ...
    The 1669 will of Thomas Mayhew, gent., of Overton, Hampshire (PROB 11/330/42) mentions wife Margery, son Thomas, cousin "Edward Read," and father-in-law "Mr. Francis Palmes" [not Palmer]. I would say this is a match.

    This pedigree shows the ancestry of Margery (Palmes) Mayhew: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pedigrees_from_the_Visitation_of_Hampshi/9L7UAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22francis+palmes%22+hampshire&pg=PA97&printsec=frontcover
    The will also gives to his son Thomas "my Grant of the Office of Clerke of the Passes."
    Thanks for your extensive work on this topic and posting the information in this thread, John. I think your most recent posts demonstrate that the records discussed are not for the Thomas Mayhew who settled on Martha's Vineyard nor his son, and thus do
    not provide clues to the identity of the unknown first wife of Thomas senior. Perhaps that is disappointing, but it's useful to have this set of records well sorted out and analyzed.

    I agree that it's good to have things correctly assigned, regardless of the disappointing results.

    It actually shows a "new"/ additional marriage for one of the Queen's ancestors (as she has a Windebank line through George Reade of Virginia [down to the Porteous family and the Queen mother]).

    Even though Frances Dymoke survived her husband Thomas Windebanck, and died testate around 1612, they must have been divorced or separated "in some manner" as we have instances of Mary, widow of Edward Hunte, called, or calling herself, the "wife" of
    Thomas Windebank, clerk of the Signet, at least between the years 1591-1600.

    The will of Thomas Windebank, around 1607/8, does not name a wife, and only mentions the known children by Frances.

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