Nathaniel-1 Browne of Connecticut is named as a nephew, currently with Rev. Hooker in New England, in the 1636 will of Sir Nathaniel Rich.his daughter, and myself William Negus, minister [rector].
The recent HOP sketch of Sir Nathaniel Rich provides information on his father: " Rich’s father [Richard], an illegitimate son of the chancellor [the 1st Baron Rich], resided at Leez Priory as steward of the family estate."
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/rich-nathaniel-1585-1636
An important clue is provided in the sketch's statement that Sir Nathaniel Rich "_suc.[eeded] fa.[ther] 1598," for which it cites "Essex RO, D/ABW 32/91."
Frederick Emmison's _Elizabethan Life: Wills of Essex Gentry and Yeomen_ [? 75:14], gives an abstract of "BW 32/91," which seems to be the same reference as above. I can only read snippets, but it seems to say:
RICHARD RICH of Leigh esquire, 8 August 1598. (Nuncupative.) [BW 32/91]
Being demanded what his mind was for the disposing of his goods, he gave to Mr Negus L3 and to the poor of Leigh 20s., and the rest of his goods to his wife. Witnesses: Mistress Rich his wife, Mr Pease a physician, Nathaniel Rich his son, Margaret Rich
Proved 16 August 1598. Administration granted to Jane the widow.second Jane post 1581.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Publications/tXNnAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22he+gave+to+Mr+Negus%22+rich&dq=%22he+gave+to+Mr+Negus%22+rich&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Elizabethan_Life/29wpD6L7c0MC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22demanded+what+his+mind+was%22+negus&dq=%22demanded+what+his+mind+was%22+negus&printsec=frontcover
The HOP sketch had identified the mother of Nathaniel as "Jane, da. of John Machell, Clothworker, of London," despite American genealogists calling her Anne Machell.
This marriage is found in the records of St. Mary Aldermarry, London:
[1574.] Dec. 13 Richarde Riches, esquier, & Mrs Jane Machel
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Parish_Registers_of_St_Mary_Aldermar/_BU_AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22jane+revell%22+machel+richarde&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover
TAG, 22:29 mentions that a will of 1581 names Richard Rich's wife as "Ann." Most probably this was merely a mistake for Jane, but I suppose we should be on the lookout for a marriage to an Anne between 1574-81, and then a possible remarriage to a
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirbydead by 1619
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so apparently
One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
dead by 1619Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirby
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so apparently
One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.No, the husband of Anne Rich was Percy Browne, son of Sir William Browne of the Low countries. (I suppose that is proven -- see the NEHGR).
Remember it's only two children who were witnesses to the oral will, not legatees, and I assume there were others, including an Anne.
More snippets from the estate of Richard Rich, esq.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Wills_the_Bishop_of_London_s_Commi/36MWAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rich%20gentlewoman%22
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:19:09 PM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
dead by 1619Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirby
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so apparently
One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.No, the husband of Anne Rich was Percy Browne, son of Sir William Browne of the Low countries. (I suppose that is proven -- see the NEHGR).
Remember it's only two children who were witnesses to the oral will, not legatees, and I assume there were others, including an Anne.
More snippets from the estate of Richard Rich, esq.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Wills_the_Bishop_of_London_s_Commi/36MWAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rich%20gentlewoman%22This says that her father was a Nicholas Rich, not this Richard Rich
https://books.google.com/books?id=XLqEWwa7fT8C&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA192&dq=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&f=false
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:46:05 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:19:09 PM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
apparently dead by 1619Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirby
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so
situation is a little less than crystal clear. There is a pedigree chart (? from where) someplace in the NEGHR showing Sir William Browne with a son Percy married to ___ Rich, sister of Sir Nathaniel Rich.One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.No, the husband of Anne Rich was Percy Browne, son of Sir William Browne of the Low countries. (I suppose that is proven -- see the NEHGR).
Remember it's only two children who were witnesses to the oral will, not legatees, and I assume there were others, including an Anne.
More snippets from the estate of Richard Rich, esq.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Wills_the_Bishop_of_London_s_Commi/36MWAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rich%20gentlewoman%22This says that her father was a Nicholas Rich, not this Richard Rich
https://books.google.com/books?id=XLqEWwa7fT8C&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA192&dq=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&f=falseNo, _Ancestral Roots_ is wrong there. An article on the Rich family in TAG sets out her descent from the 1st Lord Rich via this illegitimate son, Richard Rich. Although I concede that in the absence of a will of her father's that names her the
See p. 119 of the below for Sir William Browne's statement that he has a child named Percy after the Earl of Northumberland:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044013563515&view=1up&seq=146&skin=2021
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:46:05 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:19:09 PM UTC-8, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:36:36 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
apparently dead by 1619Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirby
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so
situation is a little less than crystal clear. There is a pedigree chart (? from where) someplace in the NEGHR showing Sir William Browne with a son Percy married to ___ Rich, sister of Sir Nathaniel Rich.One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.No, the husband of Anne Rich was Percy Browne, son of Sir William Browne of the Low countries. (I suppose that is proven -- see the NEHGR).
Remember it's only two children who were witnesses to the oral will, not legatees, and I assume there were others, including an Anne.
More snippets from the estate of Richard Rich, esq.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Wills_the_Bishop_of_London_s_Commi/36MWAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22rich%20gentlewoman%22This says that her father was a Nicholas Rich, not this Richard Rich
https://books.google.com/books?id=XLqEWwa7fT8C&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&lpg=PA192&dq=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=percy%20browne%20anne%20rich&f=falseNo, _Ancestral Roots_ is wrong there. An article on the Rich family in TAG sets out her descent from the 1st Lord Rich via this illegitimate son, Richard Rich. Although I concede that in the absence of a will of her father's that names her the
See p. 119 of the below for Sir William Browne's statement that he has a child named Percy after the Earl of Northumberland:Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044013563515&view=1up&seq=146&skin=2021
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirbydead by 1619
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so apparently
One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
Adrian
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 1:36:36 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
I believe the identify of Nathaniel Browne can be resolved.
dead by 1619Sir Thomas Wroth and Humphrey Browne are haggling over a mansion called Reginolds in Horton Kirby
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5713536
This identifies these Brownes as that fammily of Betchworth Castle
William Browne, the eldest son of John the Master of the Mint, was himself seated at Horton Kirby and his son who succeeded him Thomas died in 1619. This Thomas wife is called Margaret daughter of Richard Rich and was his *first* wife so apparently
One of the sons of this couple is this Humphrey Brown suing Sir Thomas Wroth who is *either* his step-father, or his uncle, depending on finding supporting evidence that Margaret married twice, or there were two sisters both called Margaret.I have to back up a step, because the date of this document is no later than 1625
So this could not be Humphrey Brown, son of Thomas Browne, and grandson of that William Browne "over 30 years old" in 1571
This line goes
John /Browne/ of Horton Kirby; Master of the Mint
Born by 1513, d 1570
his son
William /Browne/ "over 30 years" in 1571
married
Mary /Martin/
their son
Thomas /Browne/
eldest son
d 1619
married
Margaret /Rich/
daughter of Richard Rich
their eldest son
John /Browne/
"aged 7" 1619
That this family was seated at Horton Kirby and that one Humphrey Browne was disputing with Sir Thomas Wrothe about a mansion there probably implies that
Humphrey was a brother to Thomas Browne and disputing probably a mansion *in which* Margaret the widow was living, against her new husband Sir Thomas. That would make the most sense of this document.
Note that Thomas named one son Humphrey (too young to be this one), probably implying he was named for his uncle here.
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, psbu...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
The will of Lady Margaret Wrothe, wife of Sir Thomas Wrothe, MP, and daughter of Richard and Jane (Machel) Rich, was witnessed by the Rev. Ralph Cudworth.AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:04:26 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, psbu...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.The will of Lady Margaret Wrothe, wife of Sir Thomas Wrothe, MP, and daughter of Richard and Jane (Machel) Rich, was witnessed by the Rev. Ralph Cudworth.AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:Thanks for the citation - I'll check into it
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:Thanks - I'll check into it.
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
Adrian
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:49:29 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:04:26 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, psbu...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.The will of Lady Margaret Wrothe, wife of Sir Thomas Wrothe, MP, and daughter of Richard and Jane (Machel) Rich, was witnessed by the Rev. Ralph Cudworth.AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.Although the existence of Martha Rich is totally ignored in this pedigree from a bit later:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_London/h6wKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=browne+%22horton+kirkby%22+london&pg=PA112&printsec=frontcover
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 7:49:29 PM UTC, JBrand wrote:daughter of Rich Riche, by whom he had five sons and six daughters-John (who was seven years old at his father's death), Thomas, William, Humphrey, and Bernard; Mary (ux Edward Bathurst), Margery, Ann, Susannah, Margaret, and Elizabeth. And by his second
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.The following gives a slightly different account, don't know which is correct:
William Browne, the eldest son of John, the Master of the Mint, was seated at Horton Kirby, and by his wife, Mary, daughter of Edward Martin, of Franks, had a son, Thomas, who succeeded him, and died 1619. He was twice married, first to Margaret,
Probably descendants of this family are still extant, but trace of them is lost through the sanctifying influence of the Civil War. No doubt they fought, as became gentlemen, for their King; but unhappily the result was disastrous. John, the eldest son,sold his estates (ruined doubtless by the Civil War), whereby all trace of his family is lost, and they are now merged hopelessly in the noble army of Brownes with nothing, probably, to distinguish them from their namesakes.
(The Brownes of Bechworth Castle, by John Pym Yeatman 1903 Page 75)
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:daughter of Rich Riche, by whom he had five sons and six daughters-John (who was seven years old at his father's death), Thomas, William, Humphrey, and Bernard; Mary (ux Edward Bathurst), Margery, Ann, Susannah, Margaret, and Elizabeth. And by his second
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 7:49:29 PM UTC, JBrand wrote:
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.The following gives a slightly different account, don't know which is correct:
William Browne, the eldest son of John, the Master of the Mint, was seated at Horton Kirby, and by his wife, Mary, daughter of Edward Martin, of Franks, had a son, Thomas, who succeeded him, and died 1619. He was twice married, first to Margaret,
son, sold his estates (ruined doubtless by the Civil War), whereby all trace of his family is lost, and they are now merged hopelessly in the noble army of Brownes with nothing, probably, to distinguish them from their namesakes.Probably descendants of this family are still extant, but trace of them is lost through the sanctifying influence of the Civil War. No doubt they fought, as became gentlemen, for their King; but unhappily the result was disastrous. John, the eldest
was the second wife. The 1635 London Visitation does not mention her at all.(The Brownes of Bechworth Castle, by John Pym Yeatman 1903 Page 75)Possibly this was another illegitimate daughter of Richard Rich the 1st Lord. He had at least four known illegits., including Richard Rich the steward of Leez, and three daughters.
Although internal consistency is a massive problem with these Brownes of Horton Kirby. The account above gives Margaret Rich as the first wife, with an impossible age attached to the heir she produced, while the 1619 Kent Visitation says Margaret Rich
Kent Vis. and London Vis. differ from the above in calling the other wife Mary's father a Whetstone, not a Webster.
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:02:22 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:daughter of Rich Riche, by whom he had five sons and six daughters-John (who was seven years old at his father's death), Thomas, William, Humphrey, and Bernard; Mary (ux Edward Bathurst), Margery, Ann, Susannah, Margaret, and Elizabeth. And by his second
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 7:49:29 PM UTC, JBrand wrote:
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.The following gives a slightly different account, don't know which is correct:
William Browne, the eldest son of John, the Master of the Mint, was seated at Horton Kirby, and by his wife, Mary, daughter of Edward Martin, of Franks, had a son, Thomas, who succeeded him, and died 1619. He was twice married, first to Margaret,
son, sold his estates (ruined doubtless by the Civil War), whereby all trace of his family is lost, and they are now merged hopelessly in the noble army of Brownes with nothing, probably, to distinguish them from their namesakes.Probably descendants of this family are still extant, but trace of them is lost through the sanctifying influence of the Civil War. No doubt they fought, as became gentlemen, for their King; but unhappily the result was disastrous. John, the eldest
Rich was the second wife. The 1635 London Visitation does not mention her at all.(The Brownes of Bechworth Castle, by John Pym Yeatman 1903 Page 75)Possibly this was another illegitimate daughter of Richard Rich the 1st Lord. He had at least four known illegits., including Richard Rich the steward of Leez, and three daughters.
Although internal consistency is a massive problem with these Brownes of Horton Kirby. The account above gives Margaret Rich as the first wife, with an impossible age attached to the heir she produced, while the 1619 Kent Visitation says Margaret
unto."Kent Vis. and London Vis. differ from the above in calling the other wife Mary's father a Whetstone, not a Webster.A link to G.D. Scull's Browne-Rich typescript held at the NEHGS:
http://circanceast.beaufortccc.edu/Brown/local%20personalities/sir%20william%20brown/Browne-Rich%20(BL143).pdf
A comment on the birthdate usually assigned Percy Browne (ca. 1604) is necessary:
In May 1621 we find the following in the House of Lords' journal:
"Brown's Naturalization.
Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Naturalizing of Percie Browne and Marie Browne, the Children of Sir William Browne, Knight, Lieutenant Governor of His Majesty's Cautionary Town of Flushing; and, being put to the Question, it was Assented
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol3/pp129-131should be re-thought. It might not necessarily follow that all the older siblings were naturalized in 1604.
Sir William Browne had some other of his children (William, Anne, and Barbara) naturalized in June 1604:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951001352594p&view=1up&seq=162&skin=2021&q1=%22william%20anne%20and%20barbara%22
I think it was assumed Percy must have been born after this first set of sibling naturalizations, but now, seeing that Anne (Rich) Browne, Percy's wife had to be at least six years older (based on the death date of Richard Rich, her father), this
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:05 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:daughter of Rich Riche, by whom he had five sons and six daughters-John (who was seven years old at his father's death), Thomas, William, Humphrey, and Bernard; Mary (ux Edward Bathurst), Margery, Ann, Susannah, Margaret, and Elizabeth. And by his second
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:02:22 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 7:49:29 PM UTC, JBrand wrote:
Kent Visitation shows MARTHA Rich of Lees was the second wife of Thomas Browne of Horton Kirkby, with children Richard Browne, Robert Browne, Mary Browne, Joanna Browne, and Elizabeth Browne.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Kent/o79MAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=browne%20martha
I suppose that could be a sister of Margaret and Anne.The following gives a slightly different account, don't know which is correct:
William Browne, the eldest son of John, the Master of the Mint, was seated at Horton Kirby, and by his wife, Mary, daughter of Edward Martin, of Franks, had a son, Thomas, who succeeded him, and died 1619. He was twice married, first to Margaret,
eldest son, sold his estates (ruined doubtless by the Civil War), whereby all trace of his family is lost, and they are now merged hopelessly in the noble army of Brownes with nothing, probably, to distinguish them from their namesakes.Probably descendants of this family are still extant, but trace of them is lost through the sanctifying influence of the Civil War. No doubt they fought, as became gentlemen, for their King; but unhappily the result was disastrous. John, the
Rich was the second wife. The 1635 London Visitation does not mention her at all.(The Brownes of Bechworth Castle, by John Pym Yeatman 1903 Page 75)Possibly this was another illegitimate daughter of Richard Rich the 1st Lord. He had at least four known illegits., including Richard Rich the steward of Leez, and three daughters.
Although internal consistency is a massive problem with these Brownes of Horton Kirby. The account above gives Margaret Rich as the first wife, with an impossible age attached to the heir she produced, while the 1619 Kent Visitation says Margaret
Assented unto."Kent Vis. and London Vis. differ from the above in calling the other wife Mary's father a Whetstone, not a Webster.A link to G.D. Scull's Browne-Rich typescript held at the NEHGS:
http://circanceast.beaufortccc.edu/Brown/local%20personalities/sir%20william%20brown/Browne-Rich%20(BL143).pdf
A comment on the birthdate usually assigned Percy Browne (ca. 1604) is necessary:
In May 1621 we find the following in the House of Lords' journal:
"Brown's Naturalization.
Hodie 3a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the Naturalizing of Percie Browne and Marie Browne, the Children of Sir William Browne, Knight, Lieutenant Governor of His Majesty's Cautionary Town of Flushing; and, being put to the Question, it was
should be re-thought. It might not necessarily follow that all the older siblings were naturalized in 1604.https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol3/pp129-131
Sir William Browne had some other of his children (William, Anne, and Barbara) naturalized in June 1604:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951001352594p&view=1up&seq=162&skin=2021&q1=%22william%20anne%20and%20barbara%22
I think it was assumed Percy must have been born after this first set of sibling naturalizations, but now, seeing that Anne (Rich) Browne, Percy's wife had to be at least six years older (based on the death date of Richard Rich, her father), this
[ca. 29 June 1604]
WILLM. BROWNE ] Born at Flushing. Children of Sr Willm. Browne Knight, Lieutenant Governor of yor Ma[jes]ties Cautionarie towne
ANNE BROWNE ] of Flushing, and Dame Marie Savage born at Ghant in Flanders his wife.
BARBARA BROWNE ]
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t5x670q8j&view=1up&seq=52&skin=2021&q1=%22barbara%20browne%22
[1622] July 10. PERCY BROWNE and
MARY BROWNE, son and daughter of Sir William Browne, Knt., deceased, lately Lieutenant to his Majesty of the cautionary
town of Vliessinghen, and both born in said town.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t5x670q8j&view=1up&seq=79&skin=2021&q1=Vliessinghen
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, psbu...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:04:26 PM UTC-5, JBrand wrote:(1617–39),[53] and Dame Margaret Wroth.[54]"
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, psbu...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM UTC-5, adrianc...@btinternet.com wrote:
jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
5:52 AM (10 hours ago)
to
Can you give a citation for the article on the Rich family in TAG? Sounds interesting...
I have recorded it as NEHGR Vol 48 p 267-70 (1894)
AdrianThe article(s) in TAG are on The House of Rich TAG 21-22 (1944/5) by Donald Lines Jacobus
Drags me back to the John Machell & Jane Loddington family which is so problematic for my James Cudworth connection
The will of Lady Margaret Wrothe, wife of Sir Thomas Wrothe, MP, and daughter of Richard and Jane (Machel) Rich, was witnessed by the Rev. Ralph Cudworth.
I got this a little backwards. The Wikipedia bio. of Rev. Ralph Cudworth says, "Cudworth died at Aller (Autumn 1624), declaring a nuncupative will (7 August 1624) before Anthony Earbury,[52] the puritan Prebendary of Wherwell and Vicar of Westonzoyland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Cudworth_(died_1624)
Two items here-which is of course near Great Baddow.
1. When exactly was Richard Rich, the illegitimate son, born? I'm the descendant of Audrey Etheldreda Rich, his half sister. I have never heard of this connection, particularly to New England.
2. So there was a "Mr. Pease, a physician" in this record, which is also relevant to me because my ancestor, John Pease of Great Baddow, Essex, is probably related to this family somehow. I also noted that there was a Henry Pease of Woodham mentioned,
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