19. Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell counties,
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/Nathan,
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
Nathan
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell counties,
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of Northumberland County. I wishThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for example, has
In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates he "removedto the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.
I have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert in Pittsylvania
This next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry, Virginia.They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read and evaluate them.
http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any others.
~Cindy
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell counties,
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of Northumberland County. IThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for example,
removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates he "
grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert in PittsylvaniaI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland County and "
They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read and evaluate them.This next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry, Virginia.
A good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any others.
~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
Nathan
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of Northumberland County. IThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for example,
removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates he "
and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland County
Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry,
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, the Libraryhttp://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any others.
~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
NathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN 21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of NorthumberlandThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for
removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates he "
and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland County
Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry,
of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the group'shttp://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any others.
~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, the LibraryNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN 21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of NorthumberlandThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for
removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates he "
County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland
Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry,
http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any others.
Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, theNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
Many of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the William
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and Campbell
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of NorthumberlandThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for
he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates
County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland
Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry,
others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any
Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, theNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the state thatMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the William
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones of NorthumberlandThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church, for
he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to North Carolina.In the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It indicates
County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland
Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of Surry,
others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any
Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, theNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the state thatMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the William
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
Hello, Group!Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #19 (
~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars. For
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
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On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
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On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
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19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church,
indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to NorthIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It
County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who married Martha Gilbert inI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in Northumberland
Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of
others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of any
Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County, theNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the state thatMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the William
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #19 (
future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up quite a bit.~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars. For
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofThis researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
Compare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church,
indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to NorthIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of
any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of
the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County,NathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the stateMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #19 (
For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up quite a~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
Thank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm still soglad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing that research got me
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-neck/
for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico Church,
indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to NorthIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could read andThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at of
any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that of
the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County,NathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the stateMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #19 (
For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up quite a~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing that research got meThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm still so
Cindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshire Dales on a
https://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions about proving
So glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "hunting andpecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to the point....but
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford and
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-
Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico
indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to NorthIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I could readThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in at
of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that
the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning from the~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in Northumberland County,NathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the stateMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #
For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up quite a~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing that research gotThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm still
proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshire DalesCindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?
https://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions about
pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to the point....butSo glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "hunting and
Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so far forthe Virginia line:
1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harrisreferred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher has
I am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources which claimthat William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royal lines and
Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-conscious aboutasking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.
~Cindy
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-northern-
Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico
indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went to NorthIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath. It
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I couldThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in
of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and that
County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in NorthumberlandNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across the stateMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that the
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows from #
Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil
still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm
proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshire DalesCindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?
https://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions about
pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to the point....butSo glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "hunting and
the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so far for
referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher has
claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royal linesI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources which
asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-conscious about
they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family of Augusta~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance disputes,
-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-4, Elizabeth A wrote:and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of Bedford
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
northern-neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-
Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones ofCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of Wicomico
It indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went toIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath.
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I couldThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720 in
that of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and
County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in NorthumberlandNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across theMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
from #19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows
Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn up~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and Civil
still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm
proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshire DalesCindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?
https://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions about
and pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to the point....So glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "hunting
for the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so far
referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher has
claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royal linesI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources which
about asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-conscious
disputes, they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance
surname of the person in the search box. Unfortunately, the list does not even allow a search of Buckingham County, undoubtedly because all the records there were lost. There is only one record for Bedford County, and it not about William Heath. However,-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
I have used the Chancery Records Index at the Library of Virginia in the past and found it helpful, though sometimes the handwriting is difficult to read, especially if the document appears sideways! It has worked best for me when I entered only the
~CindyI have never used the chancery records but am hoping to get a chance. I have an ancestor who I think was born in Bedford County, but I haven't worked on that line for quite a while. Will look forward to it.
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:Bedford and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-4, Elizabeth A wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
northern-neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-
Wicomico Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and WinifredCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of
It indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who went toIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones Heath.
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
in at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish I couldThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about 1720
that of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion, and
County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading and learning~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories in NorthumberlandNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear across theMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence that
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
from #19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows
Civil Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and
still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'm
proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshire DalesCindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?
https://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions about
and pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to the point....So glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "hunting
for the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so far
referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher has
claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royal linesI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources which
about asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-conscious
disputes, they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance
surname of the person in the search box. Unfortunately, the list does not even allow a search of Buckingham County, undoubtedly because all the records there were lost. There is only one record for Bedford County, and it not about William Heath. However,-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
I have used the Chancery Records Index at the Library of Virginia in the past and found it helpful, though sometimes the handwriting is difficult to read, especially if the document appears sideways! It has worked best for me when I entered only the
So sorry...I meant to direct that last comment to Cindy. Asking so many questions and reading so much that I don't know what's what!~CindyI have never used the chancery records but am hoping to get a chance. I have an ancestor who I think was born in Bedford County, but I haven't worked on that line for quite a while. Will look forward to it.
Elizabeth, I think we must be cut from the same genealogical cloth! I, too, feel like many of the ancestors I "meet" through this work are "spiritual ancestors." At times they feel as real as living persons. And I can't wait to walk where they walked...
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:34:16 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:Bedford and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-4, Elizabeth A wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
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19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
northern-neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-
Wicomico Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and WinifredCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of
Heath. It indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who wentIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones
Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born in
1720 in at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish IThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about
and that of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion,
Northumberland County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories inNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear acrossMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
from #19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lost records,Hello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA) follows
Civil Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and
m still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas, I'
Cindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas Ligon?
about proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshirehttps://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions
hunting and pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to theSo glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "
far for the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so
has referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher
which claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royalI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources
about asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-conscious
disputes, they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance
the surname of the person in the search box. Unfortunately, the list does not even allow a search of Buckingham County, undoubtedly because all the records there were lost. There is only one record for Bedford County, and it not about William Heath.-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
I have used the Chancery Records Index at the Library of Virginia in the past and found it helpful, though sometimes the handwriting is difficult to read, especially if the document appears sideways! It has worked best for me when I entered only
..~CindyI have never used the chancery records but am hoping to get a chance. I have an ancestor who I think was born in Bedford County, but I haven't worked on that line for quite a while. Will look forward to it.
Elizabeth, I think we must be cut from the same genealogical cloth! I, too, feel like many of the ancestors I "meet" through this work are "spiritual ancestors." At times they feel as real as living persons. And I can't wait to walk where they walked.
So sorry...I meant to direct that last comment to Cindy. Asking so many questions and reading so much that I don't know what's what!No problem, Girl57! I understood the situation! I think we are indeed cut from the same genealogical cloth in that we use our imaginations to place ourselves where our blood ancestors or spiritual ancestors once lived and can feel their presence in our
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 12:55:51 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:Bedford and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:34:16 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-4, Elizabeth A wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
northern-neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-
Wicomico Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and WinifredCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of
Heath. It indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who wentIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones
in Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born
1720 in at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish IThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about
and that of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion,
Northumberland County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories inNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear acrossMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
follows from #19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lostHello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA)
Civil Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to turn~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary and
I'm still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas,
Ligon?Cindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas
about proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshirehttps://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions
hunting and pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to theSo glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "
far for the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have so
has referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One researcher
which claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royalI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources
conscious about asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-
disputes, they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance
the surname of the person in the search box. Unfortunately, the list does not even allow a search of Buckingham County, undoubtedly because all the records there were lost. There is only one record for Bedford County, and it not about William Heath.-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
I have used the Chancery Records Index at the Library of Virginia in the past and found it helpful, though sometimes the handwriting is difficult to read, especially if the document appears sideways! It has worked best for me when I entered only
walked...~CindyI have never used the chancery records but am hoping to get a chance. I have an ancestor who I think was born in Bedford County, but I haven't worked on that line for quite a while. Will look forward to it.
Elizabeth, I think we must be cut from the same genealogical cloth! I, too, feel like many of the ancestors I "meet" through this work are "spiritual ancestors." At times they feel as real as living persons. And I can't wait to walk where they
lives. I'm sure many people in this group do that.So sorry...I meant to direct that last comment to Cindy. Asking so many questions and reading so much that I don't know what's what!No problem, Girl57! I understood the situation! I think we are indeed cut from the same genealogical cloth in that we use our imaginations to place ourselves where our blood ancestors or spiritual ancestors once lived and can feel their presence in our
One more thing: In replying to Elizabeth, I forgot to mention another very helpful section on the Library of Virginia website: "The Henley Marriage and Obituary Index to Virginia Newspapers." I have found some significant clues there. All these partsof the website are listed on the Site Index.
You know, I am starting to think of genealogical searches toward ancestors the way Chaucer thought of the journey toward Canterbury. The people we meet along the way and the stories they tell are as interesting as the final destination!Absolutey, Cindy! Such an adventure. I've even called individual ancestors to mind during my own difficult times, when I knew the hardships and losses they had been through and survived...especially the very humble folks and those of modest resources. I'
~Cindy
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:20:53 AM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:Bedford and Campbell counties, Virginia was the son of Thomas and Winifred (Jones) Heath?
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 12:55:51 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:34:16 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:53:01 PM UTC-4, Elizabeth A wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:28:56 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:14:26 PM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:34:16 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, Girl57 wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:35:26 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:32:51 PM UTC-5, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:30:32 AM UTC-8, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:11:15 PM UTC-5, Cindy H. wrote:
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:31:37 AM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-7, Cindy H. wrote:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-5, nathan...@gmail.com wrote:
19. Winifred Jones=Thomas HeathCindy, I haven't personally researched the connection between generations 19 and 20, but I think your challenge will be to prove that Virginia portion of the lineage. Have you found evidence that William Heath/Hayth of
20. William Heath/Hayth (Bedford Co, VA to Campbell Co)=2nd UKN
21. Lt. Thomas Hayth (First Lieutenant in Rev. War, some say Captain)=Martha Gilbert
northern-neck/This researcher, for example, concludes that Thomas and Winifred's son went to North Carolina, rather than to Bedford County, Virginia: http://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/heaths-of-
Wicomico Church, for example, has been destroyed. I'm glad you pointed out the need to find a connection between #19 and #20 in order to prove that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County is the same William as the son of Thomas Heath and WinifredCompare: https://alliedfamilies.wordpress.com/virginia-and-maryland-heath-families/william-heathhaythe-of-bedford-county/
NathanNathan,
You have indeed set me up a challenge! Others have made great efforts to research the Heaths of Northumberland without more results than have already been published. Time has also taken its toll. The Parish Registry of
Heath. It indicates he "removed to the Falling Creek area of Lundenburg County." (Bedford County was later formed from Lundenburg.) The second William, whose story the writer tells, is the son of John Heath and his wife Mary Waddy. He is the one who wentIn the first link you sent, I think the writer is confusing two different people named William. The story about the second William does not follow from the first. The first William is the son of Thomas and Winifred Jones
in Northumberland County and "grew up in the presence of the Heaths for which Heathville, Virginia, was named." It notes that he moved to the area that is now Campbell County around 1757, that his Will mentions among others his son "Thomas (who marriedI have part of another source, a paper document, titled "Campbell County, Virginia Heritage Book 1781 -2003.." It has a bio of "William Heath, Founder of the Hayth/Hayth Families." Among other things, it says he was born
1720 in at of Surry, Virginia. They married about 1739 and were the parents of six children, including Thomas Hayth, who married Martha Gilbert 25 Feb. 1772, Bedford, Virginia. When I clicked on Sources, I found a lot of primary sources, though I wish IThis next source does list some documents to support its claims. It says that William Heath, born at of (sic) Wiccomoco Parish, Northumberland, Virginia, about 1719, died in Bedford County. His wife Martha was born about
and that of any others.http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=4624:5523&ref2=4624:5559
If the link doesn't work, you can find this source by googling William Heath - Martha - familycentral.net
What do you think? What next steps would you, or anyone else, suggest? I'm not sure what kind of primary source would show the information I want--or where I would find it. I would be very interested to hear your opinion,
Northumberland County, the Library of Virginia in Richmond, and in Bedford County, as needed, in order to try and prove the line. I will let you all know the outcome of the search, whatever it is. It may be several months. Meanwhile, I will enjoy reading~CindyI see what you mean now. So many Williams... I wonder what the result would be if the Bedford/Campbell counties families made a Y-DNA comparison with the Northumberland County family?
I thought I would send an update. Because I don't have access to primary sources or the research expertise that many members of this group have, I hired a genealogist in Virginia who will be searching repositories inNathanA good idea, Nathan, though a bit complicated to organize. I'm thinking of hiring a Richmond genealogist. I know of a very competent one.
that the William Heath/Hayth in Bedford County, whose will was probated there in 1775, was indeed the same William who was born in Northumberland County and was the son of Thomas Heath and Winifred Jones . Perhaps it's because he migrated clear acrossMany of these Primary Sources, have already been extract and are online at familysearch.orgThanks for the reply. However, I couldn't find online the essential link: the connection between #19 and #20 in the above line, i.e. proof that #20 follows #19. Some secondary sources say it does, but I have to find clear evidence
And also at Ancestry, for a fee.
follows from #19 (Winifred Jones=Thomas Heath of Northumberland County VA). She was not able to find the origins of William Heath but did find evidence that he was not the son of Winifred Jones and Thomas Heath. Her search was somewhat hampered by lostHello, Group!
I just received the report from the genealogist I had hired to investigate the last part of the line I originally posted above. She did an extensive search to see if she could verify that #20 (William Heath of Bedford County VA)
and Civil Wars. For future reference, FamilySearch.org's research wiki is great about noting, on the page for each county, the county's records status. By the way, the Library of Virginia is fantastic; I visited once, several years ago, and was able to~CindyCindy, glad to get your update. I was so hoping the genealogist would turn up something. I've done quite a bit of research in Virginia counties, and it can be hard in the ones that have lost records by fire/during the Revolutionary
I'm still so glad I did a lot of research about them and their often complicated families and about what was happening in the various places where they lived. Otherwise, I would never have even heard of Thomas Camoys and many of the others! Doing thatThank you for your lovely reply and suggestion, Girll57! I agree that the Library of Virginia is wonderful. Some of it can be accessed online, too. Though William of Bedford County won't have all those wonderful medieval ancestors, alas,
Ligon?Cindy, Your enthusiasm is contagious. Yes, what was called the Northern Neck of Virginia did indeed encompass a lot more area then than it does now. I have Northern Neck ancestors, too. Are you researching line stemming from this Thomas
about proving the link but am finding it fun to gather as much data as possible. With more records being digitised and more easily available all the time, what's to say that something won't turn up? In the meantime, I'm imagining gazing at the Yorkshirehttps://www.jamestowne.org/blog/thomas-harris-and-thomas-ligon-burgesses-from-henrico-county
Hoping things go well and are somehow able to find more detail on William of Bedford.
My FitzRandolph family has interested me in the medieval period, too. The "gateway" line I'm looking at contains, according to Douglas Richardson, an assumed but unproven link that has eluded genealogists for decades; I have no illusions
hunting and pecking" and very slow going. But so interesting. Others here are kind and patient in dealing with those of us who aren't historians, academics, professional genealogists, or medievalists. I'm trying to keep my enquiries shorter and to theSo glad something in my posts is useful. I am a novice, and feel self-conscious asking so many questions. As I have no familiarity with English records or -- much more important -- the society/periods that generated them, it's lots of "
so far for the Virginia line:Girl57, yes, that's exactly the Col. Thomas Ligon line I'm researching! He has royal lines and some wonderful medieval ancestors: Bigod, Marshal, Claire, Beauchamp, FitzAlan, Bohun, Mowbray, and Berkeley, to name a few. Here's what I have
researcher has referred to Buckingham Co. as "a black hole."1. Col. Thomas Ligon=Mary Harris
2. Joan/Johan Ligon=Robert Hancock
3. Joan/Johan Hancock=Samuel Hancock
4. Phoebe/Phebe Hancock=John W. Watkins of Cumberland Co.
5. Phoebe/Phebe Watkins=Capt. Silas Watkins s/o Joel Watkins and Rhoda Gresham
6. Joel Watkins (b. 5 July 1776 Buckingham Co.; d. 17 Jan. 1859 Appomattox Co.)=Mary/Polly/Dolly Jones
I have continued the line based on my best research but won't post it here because it's not supported by primary sources. Those primary sources will probably never be found because the courthouse in Buckingham Co. burned down! One
which claim that William of Bedford Co.was s/o Thomas and Winifred, I hope some of those people will see this and correct their records. I also hope that the living descendants of Thomas and Winifred will see this; they may not realize they have royalI am sorry to lose the ancestors I posted on my above medieval line, but I'm now going to think of them as my "spiritual ancestors"! I've read so much about them that they feel like family members. Since there are numerous secondary sources
conscious about asking a lot of questions! It's the way to learn, and your questions and the answers you receive are interesting to others, too. Going off on tangents can sometimes lead to discoveries. I'll look forward to more of your posts.Your FitzRandolph family sounds fascinating. I agree: more and more things turn up all the time. I can identify with you gazing at the Yorkshire Dales! I have numerous ancestors from Yorkshire. Like you, I am a novice. Don't feel self-
disputes, they often include enclosed copies of wills and inventories submitted by parties, or at least a brief recitation on how various properties descended to various families. I used them to find a number of interesting details about my McKee family~CindyCindy,
I'm wondering if you or Girl57 have made use of the digitized chancery records through the Library of Virginia's Virginia Memory project (https://www.virginiamemory.com/collections/chancery/faq). With regard to frequent estate and inheritance
only the surname of the person in the search box. Unfortunately, the list does not even allow a search of Buckingham County, undoubtedly because all the records there were lost. There is only one record for Bedford County, and it not about William Heath.-Elizabeth AElizabeth,
I have used the Chancery Records Index at the Library of Virginia in the past and found it helpful, though sometimes the handwriting is difficult to read, especially if the document appears sideways! It has worked best for me when I entered
walked...~CindyI have never used the chancery records but am hoping to get a chance. I have an ancestor who I think was born in Bedford County, but I haven't worked on that line for quite a while. Will look forward to it.
Elizabeth, I think we must be cut from the same genealogical cloth! I, too, feel like many of the ancestors I "meet" through this work are "spiritual ancestors." At times they feel as real as living persons. And I can't wait to walk where they
our lives. I'm sure many people in this group do that.So sorry...I meant to direct that last comment to Cindy. Asking so many questions and reading so much that I don't know what's what!No problem, Girl57! I understood the situation! I think we are indeed cut from the same genealogical cloth in that we use our imaginations to place ourselves where our blood ancestors or spiritual ancestors once lived and can feel their presence in
of the website are listed on the Site Index.One more thing: In replying to Elizabeth, I forgot to mention another very helpful section on the Library of Virginia website: "The Henley Marriage and Obituary Index to Virginia Newspapers." I have found some significant clues there. All these parts
I've imagined them in time of joy or rest. And...on my kitchen wall is an artistic rendering of a centuries-ago milkmaid in London's Cavendish Square. If I believed in past lives....maybe she and I worked together LOL!You know, I am starting to think of genealogical searches toward ancestors the way Chaucer thought of the journey toward Canterbury. The people we meet along the way and the stories they tell are as interesting as the final destination!
~CindyAbsolutey, Cindy! Such an adventure. I've even called individual ancestors to mind during my own difficult times, when I knew the hardships and losses they had been through and survived...especially the very humble folks and those of modest resources.
I'm also reminded of William Faulkner's observation: "The past is never dead. It's not even past."A perfect quote from Faulkner, Girl57! Hope all goes well with your research.
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