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  • Re: Arthur Turnor of Parndon Parva, Essex

    From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Jan 6 13:18:16 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Many sources give the names of the parents of
    Edward /Turnor/ , Knt, Chief Baron of the Exchequer 1671; D
    born 1617 eldest son of his father
    died 4 Mar 1675/1676

    as
    Arthur /Turnor/ of Parndon Parva, co Essex
    died 1651
    and
    Anne /Jermy/

    I had however before today been able to locate the date of their marriage

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/87a52ce8-308d-4d0b-8b82-980f64f569bf

    This as well gives us the name of Arthur's father as Edward

    And that he was immediately executing a bond in his own right to his uncle? Implies that he was already that year an adult

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/81945363-28f9-4921-9426-432186f439c9

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 6 13:15:49 2022
    Many sources give the names of the parents of
    Edward /Turnor/ , Knt, Chief Baron of the Exchequer 1671; D
    born 1617 eldest son of his father
    died 4 Mar 1675/1676

    as
    Arthur /Turnor/ of Parndon Parva, co Essex
    died 1651
    and
    Anne /Jermy/

    I had however before today been able to locate the date of their marriage

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/87a52ce8-308d-4d0b-8b82-980f64f569bf

    This as well gives us the name of Arthur's father as Edward

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Jan 6 13:27:28 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 1:19:51 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    That Edward's wife was named Anne

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/6706c8fa-f81c-4c5b-b358-942b02a7e859

    So I believe the baptism of Arthur Turnor, with father Edward, recorded 19 Jan 1589 Chipping Ongar, is this same Arthur and Edward

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 6 13:32:05 2022
    Knowing that Edward was married to some Anne, and had at least one child at Chipping Ongar, we then get the probability that this Edward Turner and Anne are this same couple

    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/morice-%28afterwards-poyntz%29-john-1568-1618

    That she was Anne Morice, the sister to John Morice alias Poyntz

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 6 14:00:30 2022
    Switching to the Jermy family

    John /Jermy/ of Gunton, co Norf
    died 1630 "aet 75"
    his wife is given as
    Mary /Mouleton/

    I have four children in my database
    Anne /Jermy/ m Arthur /Turnor/ of Parndon Parva, co Essex
    Robert /Jermy/ of Bayfield, co Norf m Christian /Cooke/
    Elizabeth /Jermy/ m John /Palgrave/ of Norwood Berningham, co Norf; Knt and Bnt 1641-
    Francis /Jermy/ of Gunton, co Norfolk; esq m Alice /Irby/

    Were there any other children for this couple?

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 6 13:19:50 2022
    That Edward's wife was named Anne

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/6706c8fa-f81c-4c5b-b358-942b02a7e859

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Jan 6 15:45:53 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 2:00:32 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Switching to the Jermy family

    John /Jermy/ of Gunton, co Norf
    died 1630 "aet 75"
    his wife is given as
    Mary /Mouleton/

    I have four children in my database
    Anne /Jermy/ m Arthur /Turnor/ of Parndon Parva, co Essex
    Robert /Jermy/ of Bayfield, co Norf m Christian /Cooke/
    Elizabeth /Jermy/ m John /Palgrave/ of Norwood Berningham, co Norf; Knt and Bnt 1641-
    Francis /Jermy/ of Gunton, co Norfolk; esq m Alice /Irby/

    Were there any other children for this couple?

    It turns out that they are represented in https://books.google.com/books?id=qkpFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA108
    Vis Norf 1563 "Jermy of Antingham"

    And that Anne was not a daughter by this first wife Mary, but rather by a second wife Helen Jermy (some kind of cousin I presume)

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Jan 6 15:28:11 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    Many sources give the names of the parents of
    Edward /Turnor/ , Knt, Chief Baron of the Exchequer 1671; D
    born 1617 eldest son of his father
    died 4 Mar 1675/1676

    as
    Arthur /Turnor/ of Parndon Parva, co Essex
    died 1651
    and
    Anne /Jermy/

    I had however before today been able to locate the date of their marriage

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/87a52ce8-308d-4d0b-8b82-980f64f569bf

    This as well gives us the name of Arthur's father as Edward
    And that he was immediately executing a bond in his own right to his uncle? Implies that he was already that year an adult

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/81945363-28f9-4921-9426-432186f439c9

    I think it's possible or probable that this Christopher is actually his elder brother, not his uncle

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