• Lady Jane (Seymour) Rodney - Second Marriage & Burial

    From Brad Verity@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 23 17:27:34 2021
    Jane Seymour, one of the daughters of Sir Henry Seymour of Merwell, Somersetshire (by 1503-1578), niece of Queen Jane Seymour, the third wife of Henry VIII, and first cousin to Edward VI, married Sir John Rodney of Rodney Stoke, Somersetshire, who has an
    entry in HOP: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/rodney-sir-john-1551-1612

    The couple had sixteen or seventeen children (per a 17th-century manuscript family history written by their son Sir Edward Rodney), but only seven survived to adulthood: four sons (Edward, Henry, George & William) and three daughters (Elizabeth, Penelope
    & Jane). https://archive.org/details/genealogist1719selb/page/n219/mode/2up?view=theater

    Per the HOP bio, Sir John Rodney died at Chard, Somersetshire on 6 August 1612. Four days later, Sir John was buried at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton, Somersetshire (per the parish register).

    What Sir Edward Rodney neglects to mention in his family history, and so it has been overlooked in subsequent accounts of this family, is the second marriage of his mother.

    Lady Jane (Seymour) Rodney and Sir Ferdinando Audley were married 13 June 1619 at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton (per the parish register).

    Sir Ferdinando Audley was the younger of the two sons of George Tuchet, 1st Earl of Castlehaven (c.1555-1617, descended from Edward III) and his first wife Lucy Mervyn (d. 1610). He is briefly covered in 'Fasciculus Mervinensis' by Sir William Richard
    Drake, which states that he "was made a Knight of the Bath at the creation of Henry, Prince of Wales" [4 June 1610], and that "He married the widow of Sir John Rodney, of Pilton, in the county of Somerset, Knight" (pp. 22-23):
    https://archive.org/details/fasciculusmervi00sirgoog/page/n42/mode/2up

    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.

    Per the Pilton parish register, "The Ladie Jane Audeley was buried at Rodney Stoke the [there is a blank where the day should be] of January 1633" [1633/4].

    Through her third surviving son, George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1630), Lady Jane (Seymour) (Rodney) Audley is an ancestress of the Barons Rodney. And through her youngest surviving son, William Rodney of Catcott (1600-1669), she is an ancestress of
    Caesar Rodney (1728-1784), American Founding Father and signer of the Declaration of Independence.

    Cheers, ----Brad

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  • From Guy Vincent@21:1/5 to Brad Verity on Fri Dec 24 12:24:23 2021
    On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 11:57:36 UTC+10:30, Brad Verity wrote:
    Jane Seymour, one of the daughters of Sir Henry Seymour of Merwell, Somersetshire (by 1503-1578), niece of Queen Jane Seymour, the third wife of Henry VIII, and first cousin to Edward VI, married Sir John Rodney of Rodney Stoke, Somersetshire, who has
    an entry in HOP:
    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/rodney-sir-john-1551-1612

    The couple had sixteen or seventeen children (per a 17th-century manuscript family history written by their son Sir Edward Rodney), but only seven survived to adulthood: four sons (Edward, Henry, George & William) and three daughters (Elizabeth,
    Penelope & Jane).
    https://archive.org/details/genealogist1719selb/page/n219/mode/2up?view=theater

    Per the HOP bio, Sir John Rodney died at Chard, Somersetshire on 6 August 1612. Four days later, Sir John was buried at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton, Somersetshire (per the parish register).

    What Sir Edward Rodney neglects to mention in his family history, and so it has been overlooked in subsequent accounts of this family, is the second marriage of his mother.

    Lady Jane (Seymour) Rodney and Sir Ferdinando Audley were married 13 June 1619 at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton (per the parish register).

    Sir Ferdinando Audley was the younger of the two sons of George Tuchet, 1st Earl of Castlehaven (c.1555-1617, descended from Edward III) and his first wife Lucy Mervyn (d. 1610). He is briefly covered in 'Fasciculus Mervinensis' by Sir William Richard
    Drake, which states that he "was made a Knight of the Bath at the creation of Henry, Prince of Wales" [4 June 1610], and that "He married the widow of Sir John Rodney, of Pilton, in the county of Somerset, Knight" (pp. 22-23):
    https://archive.org/details/fasciculusmervi00sirgoog/page/n42/mode/2up

    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.

    Per the Pilton parish register, "The Ladie Jane Audeley was buried at Rodney Stoke the [there is a blank where the day should be] of January 1633" [1633/4].

    Through her third surviving son, George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1630), Lady Jane (Seymour) (Rodney) Audley is an ancestress of the Barons Rodney. And through her youngest surviving son, William Rodney of Catcott (1600-1669), she is an ancestress of
    Caesar Rodney (1728-1784), American Founding Father and signer of the Declaration of Independence.

    Cheers, ----Brad
    Brad,
    The burial date in the Holborn register is 16th April 1632. The entry can be found at the bottom of page 459 of the 1623-1642 volume on Ancestrys' web site.

    Guy

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  • From Brad Verity@21:1/5 to Guy Vincent on Fri Dec 24 15:05:37 2021
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-8, Guy Vincent wrote:
    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.
    Brad,
    The burial date in the Holborn register is 16th April 1632. The entry can be found at the bottom of page 459 of the 1623-1642 volume on Ancestrys' web site.

    This is very helpful. Thank you, Guy.

    And a Merry Christmas to everyone here at SocGenMed! Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 24 16:32:28 2021
    A sexta-feira, 24 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 23:05:39 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-8, Guy Vincent wrote:
    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.
    Brad,
    The burial date in the Holborn register is 16th April 1632. The entry can be found at the bottom of page 459 of the 1623-1642 volume on Ancestrys' web site.
    This is very helpful. Thank you, Guy.

    And a Merry Christmas to everyone here at SocGenMed! Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

    Thanks for this, Brad. No offense, but usually, only I wish Merry Christmas.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Brad Verity on Sat Dec 25 09:00:40 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
    Jane Seymour, one of the daughters of Sir Henry Seymour of Merwell, Somersetshire (by 1503-1578), niece of Queen Jane Seymour, the third wife of Henry VIII, and first cousin to Edward VI, married Sir John Rodney of Rodney Stoke, Somersetshire, who has
    an entry in HOP:
    https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/rodney-sir-john-1551-1612

    The couple had sixteen or seventeen children (per a 17th-century manuscript family history written by their son Sir Edward Rodney), but only seven survived to adulthood: four sons (Edward, Henry, George & William) and three daughters (Elizabeth,
    Penelope & Jane).
    https://archive.org/details/genealogist1719selb/page/n219/mode/2up?view=theater

    Per the HOP bio, Sir John Rodney died at Chard, Somersetshire on 6 August 1612. Four days later, Sir John was buried at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton, Somersetshire (per the parish register).

    What Sir Edward Rodney neglects to mention in his family history, and so it has been overlooked in subsequent accounts of this family, is the second marriage of his mother.

    Lady Jane (Seymour) Rodney and Sir Ferdinando Audley were married 13 June 1619 at St John the Baptist Church, Pilton (per the parish register).

    Sir Ferdinando Audley was the younger of the two sons of George Tuchet, 1st Earl of Castlehaven (c.1555-1617, descended from Edward III) and his first wife Lucy Mervyn (d. 1610). He is briefly covered in 'Fasciculus Mervinensis' by Sir William Richard
    Drake, which states that he "was made a Knight of the Bath at the creation of Henry, Prince of Wales" [4 June 1610], and that "He married the widow of Sir John Rodney, of Pilton, in the county of Somerset, Knight" (pp. 22-23):
    https://archive.org/details/fasciculusmervi00sirgoog/page/n42/mode/2up

    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.

    Per the Pilton parish register, "The Ladie Jane Audeley was buried at Rodney Stoke the [there is a blank where the day should be] of January 1633" [1633/4].

    Through her third surviving son, George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1630), Lady Jane (Seymour) (Rodney) Audley is an ancestress of the Barons Rodney. And through her youngest surviving son, William Rodney of Catcott (1600-1669), she is an ancestress of
    Caesar Rodney (1728-1784), American Founding Father and signer of the Declaration of Independence.

    Cheers, ----Brad


    Ferdinando is mentioned here in CSP

    https://books.google.com/books?id=XvwUAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA20&ots=a7-yn9Mgrc&dq=ferdinando%20audley&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q=ferdinando%20audley&f=false

    This would seem to be a letter once Mervyn knew he was about to die
    attainted and beheaded for sodomy and rape, Tower Hill, London
    14 May 1631

    I can't quite figure out how he is both recommending his daughter Frances to Ferdinando's care and yet also mentioning his "son" Butler who it seems has to be his *sixteen year old* son in law Richard Butler
    into whose care he seems to be putting his own son George
    That cannot be right

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 25 16:41:46 2021
    A sábado, 25 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 00:32:30 UTC, Paulo Ricardo Canedo escreveu:
    A sexta-feira, 24 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 23:05:39 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-8, Guy Vincent wrote:
    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.
    Brad,
    The burial date in the Holborn register is 16th April 1632. The entry can be found at the bottom of page 459 of the 1623-1642 volume on Ancestrys' web site.
    This is very helpful. Thank you, Guy.

    And a Merry Christmas to everyone here at SocGenMed! Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad
    Thanks for this, Brad. No offense, but usually, only I wish Merry Christmas.

    I should clarify. John Ravilious replied to my post in 2018. Same with Andrew Lancaster in 2020 . However, I think yours is fhe first independent Christmas wishes.

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Sat Dec 25 17:52:25 2021
    On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:00:42 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:

    Ferdinando is mentioned here in CSP

    https://books.google.com/books?id=XvwUAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA20&ots=a7-yn9Mgrc&dq=ferdinando%20audley&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q=ferdinando%20audley&f=false

    This would seem to be a letter once Mervyn knew he was about to die attainted and beheaded for sodomy and rape, Tower Hill, London
    14 May 1631

    I can't quite figure out how he is both recommending his daughter Frances to Ferdinando's care and yet also mentioning his "son" Butler who it seems has to be his *sixteen year old* son in law Richard Butler
    into whose care he seems to be putting his own son George
    That cannot be right

    Instead of his "son" [actually son-in-law] Richard Butler, it seems more likely that the reference is to his other Butler "son" [or son-in-law"] Edmund Butler, later 4th Viscount Moungarret (and thus in 1631 still being referred to as just "Butler"). CP
    9:642 note h says that "In 1613 he [Edmund] was in England, being educated at St. Albans". So, 18 years later in 1631 he certainly was old enough to be George's guardian - especially since he was likely already married to Frances' sister Dorothy (d. Feb.
    1635/6). Thus he would be an appropriate guardian for his brother-in-law George Tuchet.

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  • From Brad Verity@21:1/5 to Brad Verity on Sun Dec 26 01:39:43 2021
    On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
    What Sir Edward Rodney neglects to mention in his family history, and so it has been overlooked in subsequent accounts of this family, is the second marriage of his mother.

    Perhaps Sir Edward Rodney did not mention the second marriage of his mother because he did not approve of it. Sir Ferdinando Audley was probably born about 1595. He was the younger of the two sons of the 1st Earl of Castlehaven, and his elder brother,
    the notorious George Tuchet, 2nd Earl of Castlehaven, was born in 1593. That means that Sir Edward was at least five or so years older than his stepfather Sir Ferdinando.

    I will leave it up to historians to place this second marriage of Lady Jane (Seymour) Rodney to a knight young enough to be her son, in context. It's worth noting that the marriage took place in the summer of 1619, two years after the death of Sir
    Ferdinando's father the 1st Earl of Castlehaven. And Sir Ferdinando's elder brother the 2nd Earl had sons of his own by 1619, so Sir Ferdinando was not the immediate heir to the title and family estates when he wed the widowed Lady Jane.

    Sir Edward Rodney wrote his family history sometime after the death of his only son and heir in 1651. By the 1650s, the Tuchet/Audley family had suffered tremendously in reputation, and Sir Edward may not have wished that the male Rodney heirs -- "my
    Brothers Sonnes may continue his [God's] true worship in our name to another period" -- to know of the family's association with the disgraced Earls of Castlehaven.

    Through her third surviving son, George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1630), Lady Jane (Seymour) (Rodney) Audley is an ancestress of the Barons Rodney.

    The Rodney of Rodney Stoke article in Burke's Peerage 107th Edition (2003), p. 3379, is incorrect as to the death date of George Rodney of Lyndhurst, and to the mother of his son Anthony Rodney. Since the entry for Anthony Rodney in the Genealogics
    database follows BP, I'll share what I've been able to gather so far on the three generations between Lady Jane (Seymour) (Rodney) Audley and George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney (1719-1792).
    https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00248983&tree=LEO

    1) GEORGE RODNEY of Lyndhurst, Hampshire, master keeper of the New Forest, 3rd surviving son of Sir John Rodney of Rodney Stoke (c.1551-1612) and Jane Seymour (c.1559-1634, descended from Edward III), bap. May 1596 St John the Baptist Church, Pilton,
    Somersetshire; bur. 31 Dec. 1657 St Martin in the Fields, London[*1]; married 1st November 1621, Anne (Lake) Cecil, Lady Ros (bap. 14 Nov. 1599 St Martin in the Fields, London; dsp. 1630, bur. St Leonard Church, Rodney Stoke), widow of William Cecil,
    16th Baron de Ros (1590-1618, descended from Edward III), and dau. of Sir Thomas Lake of Canons Park (1561-1630) & Mary Ryder (1575-1642); married 2ndly 22 July 1633 St Luke Church, Chelsea, London, Sarah Cage (bap. 30 April 1614 St Mary Church,
    Longstowe, Cambridgeshire; d. after 1661), yst dau. of Sir John Cage of Longstowe Hall (1577-1628) & Joyce Mount (d. 1623)[*2], and had a son

    2) ANTHONY RODNEY, cornet 1678, Captain in Col. Edward Leigh's Regiment of Dragoons 1686, Lieutenant-Colonel in Col. Henry Holt's Regiment of Marines 1694, Colonel 1705[*3], bap. 28 Oct. 1655 St Laurence Church, Downton, Wiltshire[*4]; killed in a duel
    at Barcelona, Spain 1705, will dated 1703, proved 19 March 1712[*5]; married July 1683 St Marylebone Parish Church, London, Constantia Clarke (b. c.1655; bur. 23 Dec. 1742 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames, Surrey), dau. of Ralph Clarke[*6], and had a son

    3) HENRY 'HARRY' RODNEY of Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, Captain Royal Marines, commander royal yacht of George I, b. 25 Dec. 1690[*7]; d. 25 Dec. 1737, bur. 29 Dec. 1737 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames; married by 1715, Mary Newton (b. 21 Jan. 1690, bap. 2
    Feb. 1690 St Benet Pauls Wharf, London; d. 21 Jan. 1727, bur. 27 Jan. 1727 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames), dau. of Sir Henry Newton (1650-1715) & his 2nd wife Mary Manning[*8], and had a 2nd son, George Brydges Rodney, created Baron Rodney of Rodney
    Stoke.

    Notes
    [*1] St Martin in the Fields Parish Register. 24 May 1661 Administration of "Geo. Rodney, 'Lyndhurst' [Lindhurst], Hants., d. in St. Mart.-in the Fields, Mdx." to "Sara R., wid., rel." [Prerogative Court of Canterbury Administrations 1660-1700]

    [*2] Sarah (Cage), the second wife of George Rodney of Lyndhurst, can be found in the Cage pedigree in the 'Visitation of Cambridgeshire 1575 and 1619', pp. 35-36:
    https://archive.org/details/visitationcambr00britgoog/page/n50/mode/2up
    Her father Sir John Cage was bap. 12 Dec. 1577 St Mary Church, Longstowe, and buried there 8 Sept. 1628. He married 9 Dec. 1602 St Bride Fleet Street, London, Joyce Mount (bur. 1623 St Mary Church, Longstowe), dau. of Richard Mount of Hampton Meads.
    I cannot uncover online a burial entry for Sarah (Cage) Rodney.

    [*3] "Anthony was a cornet in 1678, a Capt in 1686, Lieut-Col. in 1694 and Col. in 1705. He married Constantia Clarke in London in 1683. This sounds more like a man who was born in the late 1650s":
    https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/rodney/148/
    The genealogist Donna Przecha who posted the above, was trying to work out whether Anthony Rodney was the son, or the grandson, of George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1657). She points out, "Records say George was 'of Lyndhurst', which is in the New Forest.
    He is listed as an official in the New Forest in 1639. In 1662 a George Rodney is listed as a Forester in the New Forest and he was still there in 1679 - obviously a different George. Very likely a son."
    Proof that there was a "George Rodney, Esq." who claimed lands in Lyndhurst in the New Forest in 1670, can be found in 'Abstract of Claims in New Forest' (1853), pp. 202-203:
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Abstract_of_claims_preferred_at_a_justic/ZgoHAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=george+rodney+of+new+forest&pg=PA312&printsec=frontcover
    Presumably this George Rodney of Lyndhurst in 1670 was the brother of Anthony Rodney mentioned by Donna Przecha, "Anthony had a brother, George, who was a captain in the royal Marines in 1690-6." Per the entry for the 1st Baron Rodney in the old DNB, "
    Anthony's brother George served during the reign of William III as a captain of marines, and died in 1700."
    Anthony was definitely not the son of George Rodney of Lyndhurst (1596-1657) and his first wife Anne (Lake) Cecil, Lady de Ros (1599-1600). As Donna points out, "If Anthony is the son of Anne Lake, then he would have been born by 1630. Col. Anthony
    Rodney, of Col. Edward Leigh's regiment and later Col. Henry Holt's regiment, was killed in a duel in 1705 while on active duty. He would have been at least 75 at that time."

    [*4] The parish of Downton in Wiltshire is on the county boundary of Hampshire and is close to the New Forest. In October 1655 when Anthony Rodney was baptized there, George Rodney of Lyndhurst was age 59 and his wife Sarah (Cage) Rodney was age 41, so
    it is chronologically possible for Anthony to have been the son of that couple. George Rodney and Sarah Cage were married in 1633, so the soonest their son George Rodney of Lyndhurst in 1670, could have been born is 1634. He would have been no older than 21 at Anthony Rodney's baptism in 1655.
    Jane Rodney, daughter of "George Rodney Esq.", was buried at Downton 31 July 1687. She was likely the daughter of the George Rodney of Lyndhurst in the New Forest who claimed his property there in 1670 (see Note 3 above).
    I lean toward Anthony Rodney born 1655, as the son, rather than the grandson, of George Rodney of Lyndhurst and Sarah Cage.

    [*5] "From off Altea where we are going to Land to Water this damned[?] fleet my dearest wife I have left Thirty pound in gold and silver in this writing Box for you and I am to sell a Lieutenancy for fourscore Guineas which I hope will come safe to your
    hands and all I am worth in the World. I whole bequeath to you and my dear Harry so God Almighty bless you both. I witness my hand A. Rodney. All my plate is in the great Chest if I do otherwise than well I hope the Queen will settle something yearly on
    you for your Life. I am sure she ought to do it if I am lost in her service pray solicit for it. For Mrs. Rodney pray deliver it safe.
    "Appeared personally Constance Rodney Widow the Relict of Anthony Rodney Esq. late Colonel of Marines deceased and being sworn on the Holy Evangelists does depose and declare as follows vizt. that the said deceased in the year one thousand seven hundred
    and three went upon some Expedition in the Queens Ship the Ysortation[?] with other Her Majesties Ships of War into the Mediterranean Seas or Straights then Commanded by Sir Cloudesley Shovell deceased and that during the stay of the said fleet in the
    said seas the said Ship Ysortation came and lay before Altea in Spain to water and that during the said ship lying before Altea he the said deceased did as she believes write the Letter on paper hereto annexed which she believes to be all of his the said
    deceaseds own handwriting and that to her best remembrance she did receive the said Letter or writing about the latter end of the said year One thousand Seven hundred and Three. Constance Rodney 19 March 1712" [England & Wales, Prerogative Court of
    Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858]

    [*6] "Constantia, mother of Harry Rodney Esq. who died August 27, 1743, aged 87" [M.I. in St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames]. Constantia (Clarke) Rodney's M.I. (erected by her grandson James Rodney of Alton (1721-1793)) has an incorrect date of death for
    her. Per the parish register, Constantia was buried 23 December 1742. If her age at death was accurate, she was born 1655/56. I can find nothing further on her father Ralph Clarke.
    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_and_Antiquities_of_the_Count/Yms-AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=sir+henry+newton+married+manning&pg=PA776&printsec=frontcover

    [*7] "Harry Rodney Esq. died on Christmas day 1737, being his birth-day, aged 47. Mary his wife, and eldest daughter of Sir Henry Newton, Knt. died January 21, 1726, being her birth-day and wedding-day, aged 44" [M.I. in St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames].
    I cannot locate online a baptism entry for Henry 'Harry' Rodney.

    [*8] Sir Henry Newton has an entry in ODNB: https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-20058?rskey=c0kGYV&result=1
    I have not been able to uncover online a marriage entry for Henry/Harry Rodney and Mary Newton.

    I hope this is helpful for anyone researching the Rodney family.

    Cheers, -------Brad

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 07:48:15 2021
    A sexta-feira, 24 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 23:05:39 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 12:24:24 PM UTC-8, Guy Vincent wrote:
    Per Boyd's London Burials, "Ferdinando Audly" was buried 1632 at St Andrew Holborn. I'm trying to uncover a more specific burial date.
    Brad,
    The burial date in the Holborn register is 16th April 1632. The entry can be found at the bottom of page 459 of the 1623-1642 volume on Ancestrys' web site.
    This is very helpful. Thank you, Guy.

    And a Merry Christmas to everyone here at SocGenMed! Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

    If you don't mind me asking, how did you celebrate?

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  • From Brad Verity@21:1/5 to Paulo Ricardo Canedo on Sun Dec 26 09:57:46 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 7:48:17 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you celebrate?

    With my family Paulo. I hope you are celebrating Christmas and all the holidays this season (New Years is around the corner) as fully as can be expected given the circumstances.

    It rained quite a bit in Los Angeles the last few days. Today the skies are clear and the air crisp and clean. I count my blessings as they appear.

    Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

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  • From Brad Verity@21:1/5 to Brad Verity on Sun Dec 26 14:22:12 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 1:39:44 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
    3) HENRY 'HARRY' RODNEY of Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, Captain Royal Marines, commander royal yacht of George I, b. 25 Dec. 1690[*7]; d. 25 Dec. 1737, bur. 29 Dec. 1737 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames; married by 1715, Mary Newton (b. 21 Jan. 1690, bap.
    2 Feb. 1690 St Benet Pauls Wharf, London; d. 21 Jan. 1727, bur. 27 Jan. 1727 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames),

    Whoops! Just double-checked the Walton-on-Thames Parish Register. Mary (Newton) Rodney was buried there 27 January 1736/7.

    So instead of '1727' above, the correct year of death and burial for this lady: died 21 January 1737, buried 27 January 1737.

    I lean toward Anthony Rodney born 1655, as the son, rather than the grandson, of George Rodney of Lyndhurst and Sarah Cage.

    One further point I wanted to make about Anthony Rodney being from the second marriage of George Rodney of Lyndhurst, not his first. Sarah (Cage) Rodney had a brother, Sir Anthony Cage of Longstowe Hall (1606-1667). The first name 'Anthony' is found in
    near relatives of Sarah (Cage) Rodney, but not in the relatives of Anne (Lake) Cecil, Lady de Ros (1599-1630), first wife of George Rodney.

    Cheers, ----Brad

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 16:05:34 2021
    A domingo, 26 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 17:57:47 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 7:48:17 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you celebrate?
    With my family Paulo. I hope you are celebrating Christmas and all the holidays this season (New Years is around the corner) as fully as can be expected given the circumstances.

    It rained quite a bit in Los Angeles the last few days. Today the skies are clear and the air crisp and clean. I count my blessings as they appear.
    Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

    It's also raining quite a bit in the Porro area, where I lived. It'd good, though, as Fall was extremely dry.

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 16:04:23 2021
    A domingo, 26 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 17:57:47 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 7:48:17 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you celebrate?
    With my family Paulo. I hope you are celebrating Christmas and all the holidays this season (New Years is around the corner) as fully as can be expected given the circumstances.

    It rained quite a bit in Los Angeles the last few days. Today the skies are clear and the air crisp and clean. I count my blessings as they appear.
    Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad

    I spent it with my family, too. I ate, listened to Christmas songs and watched Christmas related things both on TV and on the Internet. I watched a documentary about the history of Christmas, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPZCeWSc_c, on the night of
    Christmas' Day and just watched the Appmon Christmas episode.

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to Brad Verity on Sun Dec 26 17:19:22 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 1:39:44 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
    3) HENRY 'HARRY' RODNEY of Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, Captain Royal Marines, commander royal yacht of George I, b. 25 Dec. 1690[*7]; d. 25 Dec. 1737, bur. 29 Dec. 1737 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames; married by 1715, Mary Newton (b. 21 Jan. 1690,
    bap. 2 Feb. 1690 St Benet Pauls Wharf, London; d. 21 Jan. 1727, bur. 27 Jan. 1727 St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames),
    Whoops! Just double-checked the Walton-on-Thames Parish Register. Mary (Newton) Rodney was buried there 27 January 1736/7.

    So instead of '1727' above, the correct year of death and burial for this lady: died 21 January 1737, buried 27 January 1737.

    Cheers, ----Brad

    I was wondering about that 1727 death date for Mary Newton, as the ODNB bio for her father Sir Henry Newton says Mary died in 1737 (without giving a specific date). The bio also says that she was baptized 4 Feb (not 2 Feb) 1690. Either way, she would
    be aged 46 at her death - not 44 as stated in the MI for her and her husband Henry in footnote 7 of the earlier post:
    "Harry Rodney Esq. died on Christmas day 1737, being his birth-day, aged 47. Mary his wife, and eldest daughter of Sir Henry Newton, Knt. died January 21, 1726, being her birth-day and wedding-day, aged 44" [M.I. in St Mary Church, Walton-on-Thames]"

    Perhaps there are issues here about old-style and new-style dates here - but that wouldn't explain a 2-year difference in Mary's age. Also it now appears that Mary was older than her husband - and died before him.

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  • From Paulo Ricardo Canedo@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 27 02:43:59 2021
    A segunda-feira, 27 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 00:05:35 UTC, Paulo Ricardo Canedo escreveu:
    A domingo, 26 de dezembro de 2021 à(s) 17:57:47 UTC, Brad Verity escreveu:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 7:48:17 AM UTC-8, Paulo Ricardo Canedo wrote:
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you celebrate?
    With my family Paulo. I hope you are celebrating Christmas and all the holidays this season (New Years is around the corner) as fully as can be expected given the circumstances.

    It rained quite a bit in Los Angeles the last few days. Today the skies are clear and the air crisp and clean. I count my blessings as they appear.
    Peace on Earth.

    Cheers, ----Brad
    It's also raining quite a bit in the Porro area, where I lived. It'd good, though, as Fall was extremely dry.
    Oops, I mean "I live". I still live there.

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