• Re: Magna Carta Sureties, Guarantors & Counsellors

    From treadgingerly@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Wed Dec 22 06:23:35 2021
    On Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 22:33:02 UTC+1, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    This "Robert de Roppelay" is a particularly interesting character --
    standing on Great-Grandfather King John's side of the field at Runnemede.

    Arthur Edwin Bye tells us that although his name is written that way in
    Magna Carta, his name was "undoubtedly Robert de Rokkeley. There seems to
    be no such name as Roppelay." <g>
    Bye continues by telling us Robert was from Rokeley in Kent and that like five others who were King John's Counsellors at Runnemede, he joined the Barons after Runnemede and was taken prisoner by King John's forces at Rochester Castle in 1216.
    The five other turncoats appear to be:
    William Longuespee, Earl of Salisbury
    William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey
    William d'Aubigny, Earl of Arundel
    Hugh de Neville, The Chief Forester
    Alan de Galloway, Constable of Scotland
    All six men deserted King John for the Dauphin of France [later Louis VIII] and the Baronial Party in June 1216, apparently in the mistaken belief that Great-Grandfather John's cause was hopelessly lost.
    It took the firm hand and wise, steady leadership of the Regent for the child-King Henry III [nine years old in 1216 when his father King John
    died] -- Great-Grandfather William Marshal -- to bring all six men back into the fold and allegiance to the English Crown -- particularly when they saw that because of Great-Grandfather William Marshal's wise strategy and
    tactics in dealing with both the invading French and the rebellious
    Barons -- the English Royalists were WINNING. <g>
    William Marshal, of course, won a Great Victory over the French at Lincoln, in May 1217.
    Hubert de Burgh, Earl of Kent, also had a Great Naval Victory over the
    French Fleet off Dover, on 24 August 1217 -- entitling him to be a
    respected forerunner of Sir Francis Drake.
    These combined Victories forced the Dauphin to accept the Treaty of
    Lambeth, with the Regent, William Marshal on 11 September 1217. The Dauphin renounced his claim to the English Crown and agreed to evacuate his forces from England and to cease all hostilities.
    Hubert de Burgh was also a party to this Treaty.
    Source:
    Arthur Edwin Bye, _Magna Carta, King John and The Barons_, The Baronial
    Order of Magna Carta, 1966, with a Foreword by Samuel Booth Sturgis --------------------------
    Bully!
    Deeeeeeeelightful!...
    And God Save The King!...
    ...And his bacon as well.

    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Exitus Acta Probat
    Deus Vult
    Couldn't be Robert of Ropley ? Ropley being in Hampshire between Alton and Alresford

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