Interesting ...
I wonder if Edmund Hull could be a child of the two parties in this 1615 marriage license: Mr. William Tull, son of George Hull of "Tol Piddle," and Catherine Ludlow, daughter of Sir Edmund Ludlow of Maiden Bradley?
https://books.google.com/books?id=9iY9AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA52&dq=tolpiddle+edmund+hull&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIhvegnfvgAhUkVt8KHUTuApQQ6AEIODAC#v=onepage&q=tolpiddle%20edmund%20hull&f=false
Geni seems to claim this is correct: https://www.geni.com/people/Edmund-Hull-Esquire/6000000027944692201
He researched his line from the Fulford's and traced collateral line's down several generations in his book The tumultuous Achym/Fulford relationship: with abstracts of Chancery Court proceedings, and transcripts of Chancery decrees and orders,published in 2003. It's available for free at FamilySearch.
It's good to see Sir Laurence Olivier's royal line's been checked and confirmed.
I researched and added his royal line's to Geni back in 2015. Between 2017 and 2019, I also connected up his royal lines on Wikitree with documentation.
It was an expansion of the excellent research of Ronald Ames Hill. We share Hill ancestors. Ronald is a Fellow of the National Genealogical Society.published in 2003. It's available for free at FamilySearch.
https://fasg.org/fellows/current-fellows/ronald-ames-hill/
He researched his line from the Fulford's and traced collateral line's down several generations in his book The tumultuous Achym/Fulford relationship: with abstracts of Chancery Court proceedings, and transcripts of Chancery decrees and orders,
published in 2003. It's available for free at FamilySearch.He researched his line from the Fulford's and traced collateral line's down several generations in his book The tumultuous Achym/Fulford relationship: with abstracts of Chancery Court proceedings, and transcripts of Chancery decrees and orders,
Correction. It was this book where Ronald Ames Hill traces his descent from the Fulford's:
The Ancestors and Descendants of Christopher Hill, Rector of Michaelstow, The Hill migration: Surrey, London, Cornwall, Ontario, and Michigan, 1540–1900 (Chaghill Publications, Star, Idaho, 2006).
The two books together give many Edward III descents.
published in 2003. It's available for free at FamilySearch.He researched his line from the Fulford's and traced collateral line's down several generations in his book The tumultuous Achym/Fulford relationship: with abstracts of Chancery Court proceedings, and transcripts of Chancery decrees and orders,
Correction. It was this book where Ronald Ames Hill traces his descent from the Fulford's:Thank you for letting us know of this book and its ready availability. It turns out pp.9-14 nicely round out the information on the Parkhurst family found in "Fifty Great Migration Colonists to New England and Their Origins" by John Brooks Threlfall (
The Ancestors and Descendants of Christopher Hill, Rector of Michaelstow, The Hill migration: Surrey, London, Cornwall, Ontario, and Michigan, 1540–1900 (Chaghill Publications, Star, Idaho, 2006).
The two books together give many Edward III descents.
*I couldn't locate a baptism entry online for Henry Stephen Olivier (Generation 15 above). He was born in Clifton, Bedfordshire, and the parish registers there do not seem to have been digitized yet.
Thank you for letting us know of this book and its ready availability. It turns out pp.9-14 nicely round out the information on the Parkhurst family found in "Fifty Great Migration Colonists to New England and Their Origins" by John Brooks Threlfall (also available on FamilySearch) and I would recommend reading them to anyone else who descends from George Parkhurst (m. Phoebe Leete), or for that matter his cousin Joseph Peck.
There is another Edward III line for Sir Laurence Olivier via Ursula Bamfield the wife of Thomas Fulford esq. It goes back through Eleanor Holand the illegitimate daughter of Constance of York.By my count there are 8 Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier, two of which are Edward III descents. Sir Thomas Fulford and his wife Ursula Bampfylde account for the two Edward III descents, as indicated in Brad's line of descent above in this
Edward III
Edmund of Langley
Constance of York
Eleanor Holand
Sir Humphrey Audley
Elizabeth Audley
Sir John Sydenham
Elizabeth Sydenham
Ursula Bamfield (Bampfield)
There are at least three Edward I lines for Ursula Bamfield too.
A20) Ronald Ames Hill, FASG (b. 1934)
The baptism record has been indexed at FamilySearch but there is no image available.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N11H-KLZ
Henry Stephen Olivier's profile at Wikitree currently only has a link to the Geni profile! I have adopted it and will flesh it out with better sources.
Thank you, Charlene. I will download this other book and enter Ronald Ames Hill and his various descents from Edward I, into my database, very soon.
Edward III had a yst son:A9) Sir Francis Fulford of Great Fulford House (1583-1664) m. Elizabeth Samways, and had
1) Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397), who had
2) Anne, 3rd Countess of Buckingham (1383-1438), who had
3) William Bourchier, 9th Lord FitzWarin (c.1409-1469), who had
4) Fulk Bourchier, 10th Lord FitzWarin (1445-1479), who had
5) John Bourchier, 1st Earl of Bath (1470-1539), who had
6) Lady Dorothy Bourchier m. Sir John Fulford of Great Fulford House (c.1502-1544), and had
7) Sir John Fulford of Great Fulford House (1524-1580) m. 1) Anne Denys, and had
8) Sir Thomas Fulford of Great Fulford House (1553-1610) m. Ursula Bampfylde (d. 1639, descended from Edward III), and had a son A9 and a dau B9 (see below)
There are more Edward III lines for Roger Furse and Judith Furse via Elizabeth Maunsell, mother of Bolton Waller, father of Anne Waller, wife of John Samuel Bewley Monsell.
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00633669&tree=LEO
Do you have the Furse family lines in your database Brad?
If I can be of any help to you with those lines, please let me know.
On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:09:08 AM UTC-8, Charlene wrote:and the article on De La Poer Monsell in Burke's Irish Family Records (1976). I've added those articles to my copy list the next time I'm at the library.
There are more Edward III lines for Roger Furse and Judith Furse via Elizabeth Maunsell, mother of Bolton Waller, father of Anne Waller, wife of John Samuel Bewley Monsell.
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00633669&tree=LEO
Do you have the Furse family lines in your database Brad?Charlene, I do not yet have the Furse or Monsell families in my database. Thank you for sharing the line of descent. It looks like the most recent articles on the Monsell family would be the one on the Viscounts Monsell in Burke's Peerage 1970 edition,
I have the first three generations of the descent - Sir Drury Wray, 9th Baronet, down to Jane Twigge and Rev. Stackpole Pery - in my database. I have their son the 1st Baron Glentworth of Mallow, but have not entered any further children for the couple.So I don't yet have their daughter Dymphna (Pery) Monsell, or her descendants.
I have the Edward III descents for Sir Drury Wray, and the Edward I descents for his wife Anne (Casey), Lady Wray.descents for John Thomas Waller.
I also have John Thomas Waller and Elizabeth Maunsell in my database, but only their daughter Katherine (Waller), Viscountess Guillamore, not (yet) their son Bolton Waller. I have the Edward III descents for Elizabeth Maunsell, and the Edward I
If I can be of any help to you with those lines, please let me know.Brad:
Thanks & Cheers, ----Brad
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:56:06 PM UTC-8, Charlene wrote:thread. Sir Thomas and his wife Ursula have 7 of the 8 Edward I descents - 3 for Sir Thomas and 4 for Ursula. The remaining Edward descent is via Edmund Hull of Tolpuddle as noted above. Edmund Hull presently has no ancestry shown in the Genealogics
There is another Edward III line for Sir Laurence Olivier via Ursula Bamfield the wife of Thomas Fulford esq. It goes back through Eleanor Holand the illegitimate daughter of Constance of York.
Edward III
Edmund of Langley
Constance of York
Eleanor Holand
Sir Humphrey Audley
Elizabeth Audley
Sir John Sydenham
Elizabeth Sydenham
Ursula Bamfield (Bampfield)
There are at least three Edward I lines for Ursula Bamfield too.By my count there are 8 Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier, two of which are Edward III descents. Sir Thomas Fulford and his wife Ursula Bampfylde account for the two Edward III descents, as indicated in Brad's line of descent above in this
There are 12, not 8, Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier. I had overlooked the connection mentioned earlier by Brad Verity whereby William Hull of Tolpuddle (m. Catherine Ludlow; father of Edmund who married Margaret Fulford) was apparently anephew of Sir Walter Raleigh. William's mother Margaret Raleigh (sister of Sir Walter) brings 4 more Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:thread. Sir Thomas and his wife Ursula have 7 of the 8 Edward I descents - 3 for Sir Thomas and 4 for Ursula. The remaining Edward descent is via Edmund Hull of Tolpuddle as noted above. Edmund Hull presently has no ancestry shown in the Genealogics
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:56:06 PM UTC-8, Charlene wrote:
There is another Edward III line for Sir Laurence Olivier via Ursula Bamfield the wife of Thomas Fulford esq. It goes back through Eleanor Holand the illegitimate daughter of Constance of York.
Edward III
Edmund of Langley
Constance of York
Eleanor Holand
Sir Humphrey Audley
Elizabeth Audley
Sir John Sydenham
Elizabeth Sydenham
Ursula Bamfield (Bampfield)
There are at least three Edward I lines for Ursula Bamfield too.By my count there are 8 Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier, two of which are Edward III descents. Sir Thomas Fulford and his wife Ursula Bampfylde account for the two Edward III descents, as indicated in Brad's line of descent above in this
A correction to the above numbers:nephew of Sir Walter Raleigh. William's mother Margaret Raleigh (sister of Sir Walter) brings 4 more Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier.
There are 12, not 8, Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier. I had overlooked the connection mentioned earlier by Brad Verity whereby William Hull of Tolpuddle (m. Catherine Ludlow; father of Edmund who married Margaret Fulford) was apparently a
Le dimanche 5 décembre 2021 à 00:38:14 UTC+1, jhigg...@yahoo.com a écrit :thread. Sir Thomas and his wife Ursula have 7 of the 8 Edward I descents - 3 for Sir Thomas and 4 for Ursula. The remaining Edward descent is via Edmund Hull of Tolpuddle as noted above. Edmund Hull presently has no ancestry shown in the Genealogics
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-8, John Higgins wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 5:56:06 PM UTC-8, Charlene wrote:
There is another Edward III line for Sir Laurence Olivier via Ursula Bamfield the wife of Thomas Fulford esq. It goes back through Eleanor Holand the illegitimate daughter of Constance of York.
Edward III
Edmund of Langley
Constance of York
Eleanor Holand
Sir Humphrey Audley
Elizabeth Audley
Sir John Sydenham
Elizabeth Sydenham
Ursula Bamfield (Bampfield)
There are at least three Edward I lines for Ursula Bamfield too.By my count there are 8 Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier, two of which are Edward III descents. Sir Thomas Fulford and his wife Ursula Bampfylde account for the two Edward III descents, as indicated in Brad's line of descent above in this
nephew of Sir Walter Raleigh. William's mother Margaret Raleigh (sister of Sir Walter) brings 4 more Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier.A correction to the above numbers:
There are 12, not 8, Edward I descents for Sir Laurence Olivier. I had overlooked the connection mentioned earlier by Brad Verity whereby William Hull of Tolpuddle (m. Catherine Ludlow; father of Edmund who married Margaret Fulford) was apparently a
I've got only 11 relationships ! http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;templ=rg2;em=R;ei=7606169;et=A;color=;i=1150728Olivier, the Edward I line you're missing is via Richard Bampfylde/Bamfield (father of Ursula) for whom the Roglo database currently has no ancestry. His ancestry is in the Genealogics database starting here:
Olivier, the Edward I line you're missing is via Richard Bampfylde/Bamfield (father of Ursula) for whom the Roglo database currently has no ancestry. His ancestry is in the Genealogics database starting here:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00685021&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=6
Follow the line back through Bampfylde, St. Maur, Brooke, Braybroke, de la Pole, Cobham, Courtenay, and Bohun to Edward I.
Olivier, the Edward I line you're missing is via Richard Bampfylde/Bamfield (father of Ursula) for whom the Roglo database currently has no ancestry. His ancestry is in the Genealogics database starting here:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00685021&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=6
Follow the line back through Bampfylde, St. Maur, Brooke, Braybroke, de la Pole, Cobham, Courtenay, and Bohun to Edward I.
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