I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272 calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford
"Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:Rochford.
I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272 calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford "Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135CP 5:55 (sub Rochford) says that the mother of the 5th (and last) Earl of Rochford says that his mother was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton.
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
CP 5:270 (sub Hamilton) says that the 3rd wife and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and that she subsequently married Richard Savage Nassau, father of the 5th Earl of
The bio of Richard Savage Nassau (father of the 5th Earl of Rochford) in HOP 1754-1790 says that his wife was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham".his daughter Anne, who is stated to have married the two husbands mentioned above.
CB 4:133 (sub Dashwood) says that the wife of Sir James Dashwood, 2nd Bt., of Kirtlington was Elizabeth, ""daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and it also notes that she was the sister of "Anne, Duchess of Hamilton".
Finally, check out Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 4:319, which discusses the manor of Rendlesham, which says that Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham (d. 25 March 1728 "leaving two daughters only, Elizabeth and Anne" and that the manor of Rendlesham passed to
It seems pretty clear that the 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford is in error in identifying his mother.
On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:Rochford.
I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272 calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford "Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135CP 5:55 (sub Rochford) says that the mother of the 5th (and last) Earl of Rochford says that his mother was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton.
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
CP 5:270 (sub Hamilton) says that the 3rd wife and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and that she subsequently married Richard Savage Nassau, father of the 5th Earl of
The bio of Richard Savage Nassau (father of the 5th Earl of Rochford) in HOP 1754-1790 says that his wife was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham".his daughter Anne, who is stated to have married the two husbands mentioned above.
CB 4:133 (sub Dashwood) says that the wife of Sir James Dashwood, 2nd Bt., of Kirtlington was Elizabeth, ""daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and it also notes that she was the sister of "Anne, Duchess of Hamilton".
Finally, check out Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 4:319, which discusses the manor of Rendlesham, which says that Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham (d. 25 March 1728 "leaving two daughters only, Elizabeth and Anne" and that the manor of Rendlesham passed to
It seems pretty clear that the 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford is in error in identifying his mother.
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:44:55 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.Elizabeth Spencer, of Rendlesham, the other sister, married Sir James Dashwood in Feb. 1739.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_baronetage_of_England_revised_correc/mvIDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+dashwood+rendlesham&pg=PA154&printsec=frontcover
(1)Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
As Will Johnson stated in his first message, Anne and Elizabeth were the daughters of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham (PROB 11/615/135 ). See these abstracts from the National Archives:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
(2)
Anne, the elder daughter, married the Duke of Hamilton: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
(3)
Elizabeth, the younger daughter, married Sir James Dashwood. See The Derby Mercury, 22 Feb 1738, p. 4, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-
(4)"
Lady Barker, widow of Edward Spencer and mother of Anne and Elizabeth died in 1754. See The Derby Mercury, 29 Nov 1754, p. 2, col. 4, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart.
Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."
(5)
Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of
She died 9 March 1771. See The Ipswich Journal, 16 March 1771, p. 2, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
(6)
The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:31:09 PM UTC-4, Gawin wrote:Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
(1)
As Will Johnson stated in his first message, Anne and Elizabeth were the daughters of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham (PROB 11/615/135 ). See these abstracts from the National Archives:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
(2)
Anne, the elder daughter, married the Duke of Hamilton: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
(3)
Elizabeth, the younger daughter, married Sir James Dashwood. See The Derby Mercury, 22 Feb 1738, p. 4, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-
Bart."(4)
Lady Barker, widow of Edward Spencer and mother of Anne and Elizabeth died in 1754. See The Derby Mercury, 29 Nov 1754, p. 2, col. 4, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood,
Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.
(5)
Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of
and after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.She died 9 March 1771. See The Ipswich Journal, 16 March 1771, p. 2, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk,
proved 26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
(6)
The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796,
"The following entry is given in Davy's Suffolk Collections (Add. MSS. 19,097, p. 272.): 'Edward Spencer, son of John Spencer, Esq., ob. 1718. Edward, now living at Naunton Hall, is a barrister-at-law. He married Anne, the only daughter of WilliamBaker of Layham, clerk, by whom he had issue Henry Spencer, who died an infant, and Anne Spencer, their only daughter, and now living.' ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notes_and_Queries_A_Medium_of_Inter_Comm/40io5RUgzzAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22layham+clerk+by+whom%22&pg=PA273&printsec=frontcover
I guess the note was made before the birth of the second daughter Elizabeth.
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 8:36:55 PM UTC-4, JBrand wrote:
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 2:44:55 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.Elizabeth Spencer, of Rendlesham, the other sister, married Sir James Dashwood in Feb. 1739.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_baronetage_of_England_revised_correc/mvIDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+dashwood+rendlesham&pg=PA154&printsec=frontcoverhttps://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/Qi4EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22james+dashwood%22+spencer&pg=PA13&printsec=frontcover
(1)Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
As Will Johnson stated in his first message, Anne and Elizabeth were the daughters of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham (PROB 11/615/135 ). See these abstracts from the National Archives:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
(2)
Anne, the elder daughter, married the Duke of Hamilton: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
(3)
Elizabeth, the younger daughter, married Sir James Dashwood. See The Derby Mercury, 22 Feb 1738, p. 4, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-
(4)"
Lady Barker, widow of Edward Spencer and mother of Anne and Elizabeth died in 1754. See The Derby Mercury, 29 Nov 1754, p. 2, col. 4, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart.
Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."
(5)
Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of
She died 9 March 1771. See The Ipswich Journal, 16 March 1771, p. 2, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
(6)
The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved
Anne Baker is called the "only daughter" of William Baker of Layham Suffolk
There was a William Baker who was the rector of Layham, who might fit this bill chronologically
I wonder if this is the same person?
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Alumni_Cantabrigienses/-F6VCFd_VQUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA73
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an AnneSir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 BarhamSir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
I don't see that.
I have his grandparents as
Edward Bacon
Helen Littel
Richard Bingham
Sarah Heigham
none of whom have royal descents
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 7:45:55 PM UTC-4, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
lately occupied by Edward Freeman, now by Henry Broades.but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 BarhamRev. William Baker of Layham was a son of an earlier minister of the same name, Rev. William Baker of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk.
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Reference: HA61/436/64
Title: Lease and release by William Baker the elder, clerk, of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk to his son and heir Wm. Baker the younger, clerk, of Layham, Suffolk and wife Susanna, of buildings and land in Bramford called Hulver Hill and Alderfields (90 acres)
Date: 19 & 20 April 1693
Held by: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch, not available at The National Archives
Language: English
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1c5fb3c0-8be4-4dbe-aadd-4e10a9882b01
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that yearWilliam Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried toYes. Nick Kingsley has a thorough article on this Barker family on his Landed Families of Britain and Ireland website:
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 BarhamBridget (Bacon), Lady Barker (1659-1719) has an Edward I descent through her paternal grandmother, Martha (Bingham) Bacon.
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
Edward I had:
1) Joan of Acre, Countess of Gloucester (1272-1307), who had
2) Elizabeth de Clare, Lady de Burgh (1295-1360), who had
3) Elizabeth Damory, Lady Bardolf (1318-by 1362), who had
4) William, 4th Lord Bardolf (1349-1386), who had
5) Cecily Bardolf, Lady Stapleton (c.1382-1432), who had
6) Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham (c.1407-1466), who had
7) Elizabeth Stapleton, Lady Calthorpe (1441-1505), who had
8) Anne Calthorpe, Lady Drury (c.1470-by 1531), who had
9) Anne Drury (c.1492-1572) m. George Waldegrave of Smallbridge Hall, and had 10) Anne Waldegrave (1506-1590) m. Sir Clement Heigham of Barrow Hall, and had
11) Sir John Heigham of Barrow Hall (1540-1626), who had
12) Sarah Heigham (c.1566-1634) m. 1) Sir Richard Bingham of Bingham's Melcombe, and had
But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascent
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-7, Brad Verity wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that yearWilliam Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried toYes. Nick Kingsley has a thorough article on this Barker family on his Landed Families of Britain and Ireland website:
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 BarhamBridget (Bacon), Lady Barker (1659-1719) has an Edward I descent through her paternal grandmother, Martha (Bingham) Bacon.
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
Edward I had:That Sarah was a daughter not of John Heigham of Barrow Hall who m Anne Wright, and who (he) died 1626 "aged 98"
1) Joan of Acre, Countess of Gloucester (1272-1307), who had
2) Elizabeth de Clare, Lady de Burgh (1295-1360), who had
3) Elizabeth Damory, Lady Bardolf (1318-by 1362), who had
4) William, 4th Lord Bardolf (1349-1386), who had
5) Cecily Bardolf, Lady Stapleton (c.1382-1432), who had
6) Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham (c.1407-1466), who had
7) Elizabeth Stapleton, Lady Calthorpe (1441-1505), who had
8) Anne Calthorpe, Lady Drury (c.1470-by 1531), who had
9) Anne Drury (c.1492-1572) m. George Waldegrave of Smallbridge Hall, and had
10) Anne Waldegrave (1506-1590) m. Sir Clement Heigham of Barrow Hall, and had
11) Sir John Heigham of Barrow Hall (1540-1626), who had
12) Sarah Heigham (c.1566-1634) m. 1) Sir Richard Bingham of Bingham's Melcombe, and had
http://books.google.com/books?id=oGMBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA212
"Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley, their Ancestors and Descendants", by Robert E. C. Waters, esq
Volume 1, page 212 wj
But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascent
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 11:23:40 AM UTC-7, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
Sir Richard Bingham, the 1st husband of Sarah Heigham, is the son of Robert Bingham and Alice Coker, both of whom are in Genealogics (although Sir Richard is not). The ancestry of Alice Coker in Genealogics leads back to Sir Richard FitzIves and his wifebut not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
I don't see that.Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 BarhamSir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
I have his grandparents as
Edward Bacon
Helen Littel
Richard Bingham
Sarah Heigham
none of whom have royal descents
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:11:44 AM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:Another source that supports Sarah Heigham, wife of Richard Bingham, as the daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall and Martha Yelverton is part 1, p. 76 of Joan Corder's 1981 edition of the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk (Harleian Society, Visitation
But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascentOn Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 8:48:06 AM UTC-7, JBrand wrote:
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcoverThis is a correction to HOP. I've disconnected Sarah (Heigham) Lady Bingham from John Heigham of Barrow Hall and Anne Wright in my database.
Thank you, Will and John.
Cheers, -----Brad
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:02:37 AM UTC-7, Brad Verity wrote:Series, new series, vol. 2).
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:11:44 AM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascentOn Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 8:48:06 AM UTC-7, JBrand wrote:
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcoverThis is a correction to HOP. I've disconnected Sarah (Heigham) Lady Bingham from John Heigham of Barrow Hall and Anne Wright in my database.
Thank you, Will and John.
Cheers, -----BradAnother source that supports Sarah Heigham, wife of Richard Bingham, as the daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall and Martha Yelverton is part 1, p. 76 of Joan Corder's 1981 edition of the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk (Harleian Society, Visitation
By her 2nd husband Edward Waldegrave, Sarah Heigham is ancestral to Princess Diana.You can ignore my question about the HOP entry - I see that it's the one for Edward Waldegrave which you cited, which links Sarah to the wrong John Heigham.
Out of curiosity, which HOP entry needs correction?
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
There are Edward I descents for Sir William Barker, 5th Baronet, vis his paternal grandmother Winifred Parker and her mother Dorothy Gawdy.but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that yearWilliam Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried toYes. Nick Kingsley has a thorough article on this Barker family on his Landed Families of Britain and Ireland website:
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Cheers, ----Brad
I don't have a royal descent at all for Dorothy Gawdy
But Philip Parker her husband is twelve steps from Edward I
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-7, Brad Verity wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 4:45:55 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
There are Edward I descents for Sir William Barker, 5th Baronet, vis his paternal grandmother Winifred Parker and her mother Dorothy Gawdy.I suspect she was already born before that yearWilliam Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried toYes. Nick Kingsley has a thorough article on this Barker family on his Landed Families of Britain and Ireland website:
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Cheers, ----Brad
On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-7, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:Erwarton Hall (d. 1604).
I don't have a royal descent at all for Dorothy GawdyI have the same, Will. No Edward I descent for Dorothy (Gawdy), Lady Parker (d. 1639), but five lines of descent from Edward I for her husband Sir Philip Parker of Erwarton Hall (1601-1675), all through his paternal grandfather, Sir Philip Parker of
But Philip Parker her husband is twelve steps from Edward I
Cheers, ----Brad
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00112117&tree=LEO
Edward Spencer, of Rendlesham, Suffolk=Anne Baker, of Layham, Suffolk
Anne Spencer=James Douglas-Hamilton, 5th D/Hamilton, 2nd D/Brandon
Archibald Douglas-Hamilton, 9th D/Hamilton, 6th D/Brandon=Lady Harriet Stewart
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