On Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-5, Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com wrote:

Dear Paul ~
Thank you for your good post.
The information below comes from the helpful online A2A Catalogue. The specific web address is: (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=0&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=Ripariis&properties=0601).

Ripariis is the Latin form of the surname, Rivers. The Rivers and
Bulkeley families have royal ancestry by way of their descent from
Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, Chief Justice of England under
King Henry II of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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Hampshire Record Office: Coventry of Burgate, Fordingbridge [1M53]
Coventry of Burgate, Fordingbridge
Catalogue Ref. 1M53
Creator(s):
Bulkeley family of Fordingbridge, Hampshire
Coventry family of Fordingbridge, Hampshire
[from Administrative History] Owing to a series of early disputes
about the title to the manor of N. Burgate and hundred of
Fordingbridge, documents have survived in the collection recording the ownership of the estate from the twelfth century. A copy of a charter
of Henry II shows that Burgate and Rockborne, which belonged to the
king at the time of the Domesdey survey (V. C. H. Hants., i, 455b) were granted with other lands to Manser Bisset before 1175. His lands
descended to the husbands of the daughters of John Bisset (d.1241) and
in a copy of an extract from pleas of the crown, 1280, it is stated
that Burgate was held by John de Ripariis and Rockborne by John de
Wotton and Ela, his wife. A faded document without date apparently
records an agreement for the partition of all the Bisset lands between
John de Ripariis John de Wotton and Ela, his wife, and Hugh de
Plessictis and Isabella, his wife.
[from Administrative History] Sir John de Ripariis, the son of
John de Ripariis, quit claimed his title to his sister John, who made
good her right against his son John, her nephew (361/3,4). John, the
son of Joan de Ripariis and Sir William Tracy, upheld his title against
John de Ripariis, 1340, and then quit claimed to his sister Margaret
and Sir Thomas de Langley, her husband, 1341 (361/5,7). The Inquisition
post mortem after the death of Sir Thomas de Langley on 22 Oct 1361
found that he had been holding the manor of H. Burgate and hundred of Fordingbridge as the inheritance of his wife. His daughter Margaret
having died without issue, the manor and hundred escheated to the King. Edward III thereupon granted them to Sir Richard de Pembrugge for good service on 1 Oct 1366 (346/3) but as his son Henry did not long survive
his death in 1375 (345) his heirs were the sons of his two sisters, Sir Richard Burley and Sir Thomas Barre. An inquisition held at
Fordingbridge on 11 Apr 1390 declared that in 1378 Barre had
surrendered his part of the manor and hundred to Burley in exchange for
an annual rent of £20 6s. 8d., later reduced by 36s. 10d. by the grant
of certain lands in Rerefordshire (365/1,5). The rent was stated to
have been in arrear since Michaelmas 1387. The inquisition declared
that after the death of Sir Richard Burley, Beatrice, his wife, and
William, his brother, had released their claims to Sir Simon Burley,
upon whose impeachment and forfeiture in 1388 the manor and hundred
came to the king.
[from Administrative History] After consideration of claims,
Richard II made a new grant to William Lekhull and Katherine, his wife,
who claimed the manor and hundred as great-granddaughter of Sir John de Ripariis and Maud, his wife, to hold from Easter 1390. Their right was immediately contested by Beatrice, the widow of Sir Richard Burley
(350, 346/8). Some attempt seems to have been made to prove that the
Burleys had sold the manor to John, Duke of Lancaster. Beatrice also
sued Sir Richard Arundell and Alice, his wife, who appear to have
seized the manor in 1402. Katherine de Ripariis and John Halle, her
second husband, complained to Parliament in 1402 that they had been dispossessed by Arundell and others, that they had suffered damage of
£190 11s., and that they had lost £10 in money, bonds to the amount
of £260 and their charters, court rolls and account rolls, while their servant, Richard, had been bound and thrown into the 'great river
called Avene Rot. Parl., iii, 512. Proceedings of novel disseisin were brought against Arundell and others by Halle in 1403 (352) and
Beatrice, later Beatrice de Roos, continued her fight against Halle in 1403-05 (385, 346/9). Halle apparently recovered possession and held
till his death in 1433-4 (353). He was succeeded by his son, John
Rivers alias Lekhull, who was said to have been murdered by two of his servants in 1439. William Bulkeley of Eaton (Cheshire) was named as the
heir but John's brother Thomas, thought to have died in the wars in
France, afterwards came home and claimed the estate (372/2). Bulkeley,
who was Chief Justice of the King in Cheshire, was the son of John, son
of Christian, sister of Edmund de Ripariis, father of Katherine.
[from Administrative History] Various arrangements were now
entered into by Thomas Lekhull to determine succession to the property.
A fine was levied in 1442 whereby the manor and hundred were to be held
by Thomas for life, with remainder to Thomas Payn and Joan, his wife, daughter of Sir Thomas Romsey and cousin of Thomas Lekhull (387).
Another fine, with the additional remainder to William Bulkeley, was
levied in 1443 (389). After the deaths of Thomas and Joan Payn, Lekhull conveyed the manor and hundred to be held by Bulkeley and others during
his life, with remainder to Bulkeley (392). Thomas Lekhull died in 1455
(357) but the Bulkeley title to the estate was not yet secure. Between
1456 and 1460 William had had to deal with a claim by John Appleby, who
was descended from Eleanor, daughter of Sir John de Ripariis and land
(374, 394). William Bulkeley settled the manor and hundred upon his son
in 1457 (396) and this was confirmed by various deeds between 1458 and
1465 (397-401). In 1468 Charles Bulkeley dealt with a claim by Sir John Barre, grandson of Sir Thomas Barre, to a rent charge out of the estate (377).
[from Scope and Content] Manor and hundred of Fordingbridge court
rolls, 1406-1552; manor of Burgate court rolls, 1418-1578; estreat
rolls, 1458-1684; manor of Burgate and hundred of Fordingbridge court
books, 1499-1782; Breamore court rolls, 1480-1506; Ellingham court
rolls, 1343-46; Ringwood estreat roll, 1531-32; Rockford court roll,
1356-60; Burgate Manor accounts, 1369-1557; rentals and surveys of
Burgate and Arneys manors and the hundred of Fordingbridge, 1514-1786; parliamentary survey of the hundred of Fordingbridge, 1652; court
papers of the manors of Burgate, Arneys, Ford and the hundred of Fordingbridge, 1472-1740; inquisitions post mortem, letters patent and
other legal documents concerning the establishment of the Bulkeley
title (families recorded: de Ripariis (de Redvers), Bisset, Burley,
Halle, de Penbrugge, Lekehull and others), 1286-1468; title deeds,
marriage settlements and wardships (places recorded: Burgate,
Rockbourne, Charford, Gorley, Ibsley, and others), 12th century-1801; commission to John Bulkeley as Keeper of Linwood bailiwick, 1660; early deeds, 13th century-1557; property sales and purchases (places
recorded: Burgate, Fordingbridge, Ringwood, Breamore, Keyhaven,
Sandyballs, manor of Folds, Godshill, manor of Sandhill, and others), 1383-1814; map of Whitsbury Farm, 1653; deeds for Whitsbury Farm,
1649-1714; Burgate leases, 1528-1776; Fordingbridge leases, 1652-1757;
Arneys leases, 1605-1755; map of Avon at Christchurch, 18th century; settlements and leases, 1637-64; legal and administrative papers,
1520-1754; New Forest charters, 1217-1406; miscellaneous New Forest
papers, 17th century-1707; Fordingbridge poor rate, 1733; receipt for fifteenth for Hale, N. and S. Charford and Seygvyll, 1512; taxation
papers, 1525-90; defence papers and musters (Isle of Wight, Portsmouth
and New Forest), 1554-79; Bulkeley family papers and accounts, 16th century-1753; Tyrell, Popham and Abarrowe family papers, 1402-1500;
docuemnts and papers relating to places outside Hampshire.

TITLE TO ESTATE
Establishment of Bulkeley title
FILE - c.15th,16th copies of extracts of pleas of the crown
at Winchester, 1280. - ref. 1M53/339-41 - date: [15th-16th century]
hit[from Scope and Content] Jury present that John de
Ripariis, one of the heirs of Manser Biset, now holds the manor of
Burgate and that John de Wotton and Ela, his wife, the other heir,
holds the manor of Rokeburne. John de Ripariis summoned to declare by
what warrant he holds liberties in the hundred of Fordingbridge
produced charter to Manser Biset.
FILE - Copy of agreement - ref. 1M53/342 - date: n.d[15th
century]
hit[from Scope and Content] For partition of lands of
Manser Biset between John de Ripariis, John de Wotton and Ela, his
wife, Hugh de Plessietis and Isabella, his wife.
FILE - c.15,16th copies of inquisition post mortem of John de
Ripariis, 1294. - ref. 1M53/343, 4 - date: [15th - 16th century]
hit[from Scope and Content] John de Ripariis, son and
heir.
FILE - File containing copies of - ref. 1M53/346 [n.d.]
item: File - ref. 1M53/346/4 - date: Mich. term 1286
hit[from Scope and Content] Containing copies of final
concord between John de Ripariis and Matilda, his wife, plts., and
Simon de Creye, sen., def. of the manors of Hangre and Stamford (Essex)
and the manor of Burgate (Hants.),
FILE - Account of the descent of the manor of Burgate from
Sir John de Ripariis and Matilda to Sir Richard Burley and Sir Thomas
Barre, through Tracy and Langley. - ref. 1M53/360 - date: n.d [15th
century ?]
FILE - Roll containing copies - ref. 1M53/362 - date: 1286
- 1362
item: Final concord - ref. 1M53/362/2 - date: 1286
hit[from Scope and Content] Between John de Ripariis
and Matilda, his wife, plts. and Simon de Crey, sen., def.,
item: Quit claim - ref. 1M53/362/3 - date: 1307
hit[from Scope and Content] By Sir John de Ripariis to
Joan, his sister,
item: Suit by John, son of William Traci against John de
Ripariis for the manor of N. Burgate - ref. 1M53/362/5 - date: 1340
FILE - Roll containing copies - ref. 1M53/365 - date: [14th
century]
item: Memorandum of I.P.M. of John de Ripariis - ref.
1M53/365/7 - date: 1294
FILE - Roll containing copies - ref. 1M53/366 - date: [14th
century]
item: Letters patent of Richard II - ref. 1M53/366/8, 9
- date: 19 Jan 1391
hit[from Scope and Content] To William Lekhull and
Katherine, his wife, being the heir of John de Ripariis and Maud,
granting the manor of Burgate and hundred of Ford, for a fine of £200
FILE - Roll containing copies - ref. 1M53/368 - date: [14th
century]
item: Memorandum of I.P.M. of John de Ripariis - ref.
1M53/368/3 - date: 1294
FILE - Account of descent of manor of Burgate - ref.
1M53/371 - date: n.d [14th century]
hit[from Scope and Content] From John de Ripariis and
Matilda and claim of William Bulkeley as son of John, son of Christian
de Ripariis.
FILE - File containing copies - ref. 1M53/372 [n.d.]
item: Roll containing copies of - ref. 1M53/372/4 [n.d.]
hit[from Scope and Content] (3) Memorandum of I.P.M. of
John de Ripariis, 1294.
Title deeds, marriage settlements, wardships
Deeds and Settlements of main estate
FILE - Contemporary copy of letters patent of Richard II -
ref. 1M53/384 - date: [14th century]
hit[from Scope and Content] Rehearses fine 14 Edw I
(1286) between John de Ripariis and Matilda, his wife, and Simon de
Creye concerning manors of Angre (Ongar) and Stanford (Essex) and manor
of N. Burgate (Hants.), whereby the manor of N. Burgate was granted to
John and Matilda.
Early Deeds
FILE - Gifts - ref. 1M53/517-20 - date: 4 Feb, 8 June,
28 June 1311
hit[from Scope and Content] By Joan de Ripariis to John
Pyk and Ralph Pyk of Breamore of messuages and lands in Stuckton and
Burgate,

Hello,

Coming back to this line of Bulkeley and the Ripariis, from the same of set of documents mentioned above, I am curious, how was Joan Romsey an heiress of the Lekhulls? It seems she had a claim as good or better than William Bulkeley's, who eventually
inherited the properties in question.

And does anybody know about the family of her husband, Thomas Payn or Payne? I would think he was from the same area as the Romseys.

There seems to be a bit of information about the Romseys. See, for example,

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol4/pp452-469#anchorn237

Parishes: Romsey Extra and Infra
Pages 452-469

A History of the County of Hampshire: Volume 4. Originally published by Victoria County History, London, 1911.

and

http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/23-357/

358 Writ devenerunt . ‡ 12 February 1430. [Wymbyssh].
SOMERSET. Inquisition. Wells 5 April 1430. [Poulet].
and others

But what about Thomas Payne's family?

I am also trying to confirm if this William Bulkeley was the father of Catherine, who seems to have married of Randall Brereton, esq. of Malpas, who appear to have been the parents, among others, of another Randall, who married Emma Carrington, and
perhaps of Alice, who married William de Sandford.

J. Sardina

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