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  • Did Margaret de Braiose, widow of Roger de Colville, Marry Walter Dever

    From Polly@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 18:48:15 2021
    This marriage is asserted without evidence on several websites...if Roger died in 1287/88, and Walter has children supposedly born in 1290 (Stephen) and 1302 (John)...it would be possible, but Margaret might have been much older than Walter...if she and
    Roger have a daughter (Elizabeth m. Ralph Basset) born in 1270...? My wonderful sources are wikipedia and stirnet...Anybody have an idea? Thanks!

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Polly on Mon Nov 22 13:00:40 2021
    On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:48:17 PM UTC-8, Polly wrote:
    This marriage is asserted without evidence on several websites...if Roger died in 1287/88, and Walter has children supposedly born in 1290 (Stephen) and 1302 (John)...it would be possible, but Margaret might have been much older than Walter...if she
    and Roger have a daughter (Elizabeth m. Ralph Basset) born in 1270...? My wonderful sources are wikipedia and stirnet...Anybody have an idea? Thanks!

    We don't know what year Ralph Basset was born, not what year Elizabeth was born.

    Her father Roger was heir and "aged 26" in 1276 and died Apr 1288 (as I have it at any rate)
    Meanwhile her mother's parents
    Richard de /Braose/ of Stainten Manor, and of Akenham 1271-; Knt
    and
    Alice le /Rus/ of Bramley, co Suff (moeity which she exchanged 1271)

    were married 1260/1265

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 22 13:02:46 2021
    The idea that Stephen was born In 1290 has no evidence whatsoever.
    He was a minor from 1306 to 1310
    That is ALL we know.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 22 13:20:30 2021
    I see that someone has put in an enormous swath of nonsense years into these articles in Wikipedia.

    I have gone through a few stripping this back out, and remaindering back to what we actually know about birthyears and marriage years and what we don;t

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  • From Polly@21:1/5 to wjhons...@gmail.com on Wed Nov 24 18:46:47 2021
    On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:20:31 PM UTC-6, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
    I see that someone has put in an enormous swath of nonsense years into these articles in Wikipedia.

    I have gone through a few stripping this back out, and remaindering back to what we actually know about birthyears and marriage years and what we don;t

    Thank you, Will, for making the needed adjustments to those Wikipedia pages...someone put a lot of work into those early Devereux writeups, but I know that birth dates are often guesstimates that can't be relied on...it's good to take them out...still, I
    wonder if the rest of the information there seems trustworthy? Lots of sources were used but I am not knowledgeable enough to judge how reliable they are and I would really like your (and others of course!) opinions...also, the main question remains....
    did Roger Colville's widow marry Walter Devereux? For that, those Wiki pages seem silent...thanks again.

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