• Search please, Martha Stewart Hickson

    From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 12 04:48:50 2019
    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 12 12:58:10 2019
    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered Hunts.

    County Huntingdonshire
    Place Fletton
    Church name St Margaret
    Register type Parish Register
    Register entry number 177
    Baptism date 19 Mar 1848
    Person forename Mary Ann
    Person sex F
    Father forename Robert
    Mother forename Mary Ann
    Father surname STEWART
    Person abode Farcet
    Father occupation Blacksmith
    Transcribed by Alan Tuck
    File line number 179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to Kate on Sun May 12 15:09:46 2019
    On 12/5/19 12:58 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw"  wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families.  The family trees on Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered Hunts.

    County    Huntingdonshire
    Place    Fletton
    Church name    St Margaret
    Register type    Parish Register
    Register entry number    177
    Baptism date    19 Mar 1848
    Person forename    Mary Ann
    Person sex    F
    Father forename    Robert
    Mother forename    Mary Ann
    Father surname    STEWART
    Person abode    Farcet
    Father occupation    Blacksmith
    Transcribed by    Alan Tuck
    File line number    179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the
    family trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks, Kate. The birth in Hunts matches. Mary is supposed to have
    married a Hickson born in Oz from parents from Kent. Their daughter
    Emily Ann Hickson married James Laidlaw, not my family. Emily's father
    Edward Thomas Hickson (bap 1830 in Kent, seems to have migrated as a
    child, lived in Coburg, Vic) married Mary Stewart, and Martha is shown
    as their daughter. Or rather, she is shown as the daughter of Edward
    and Martha Lloyd, whom he married in 1856 in Vic. The middle name
    Stewart seems significant. A researcher of the Hickson surname accepts
    the marriage to "Mary Stewart." The generally accepted marriage date is 1871.The problem is that none of the family trees for Edward mention
    her. Mary Stewart has been identified with Mary COX, who married
    William Stewart, but he was alive in 1871, when Mary is supposed to have married Edward. I can't get any further, and the Victorian BDM site is
    down. The Ancestry trees are useless; one has Edward marrying both in
    1856. It needs the CDs.

    Doug.

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 12 15:18:47 2019
    "Kate" wrote in message news:qb8242$r4q$1@gioia.aioe.org...



    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered Hunts.

    County Huntingdonshire
    Place Fletton
    Church name St Margaret
    Register type Parish Register
    Register entry number 177
    Baptism date 19 Mar 1848
    Person forename Mary Ann
    Person sex F
    Father forename Robert
    Mother forename Mary Ann
    Father surname STEWART
    Person abode Farcet
    Father occupation Blacksmith
    Transcribed by Alan Tuck
    File line number 179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia


    Further to the above, I found a family tree on familysearch.org and I can
    see where the confusion might have occurred.
    Edward Thomas Hickson was born in Kent according to his marriage record so
    that is likely to be correct. He first married Martha Hardiman LLoyd, in
    1856. They had seven children then she died in 1871. He then married Mary Stewart.
    Some person has him marrying Mary Cox in 1871. I don't know where this came from as there is no record of any such marriage.
    Still looking.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to Kate on Sun May 12 15:40:07 2019
    On 12/5/19 3:18 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Kate"  wrote in message news:qb8242$r4q$1@gioia.aioe.org...



    "Doug Laidlaw"  wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families.  The family trees on Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered Hunts.

    County    Huntingdonshire
    Place    Fletton
    Church name    St Margaret
    Register type    Parish Register
    Register entry number    177
    Baptism date    19 Mar 1848
    Person forename    Mary Ann
    Person sex    F
    Father forename    Robert
    Mother forename    Mary Ann
    Father surname    STEWART
    Person abode    Farcet
    Father occupation    Blacksmith
    Transcribed by    Alan Tuck
    File line number    179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia


    Further to the above, I found a family tree on familysearch.org and I
    can see where the confusion might have occurred.
    Edward Thomas Hickson was born in Kent according to his marriage record
    so that is likely to be correct. He first married Martha Hardiman LLoyd,
    in 1856. They had seven children then she died in 1871. He then married
    Mary Stewart.
    Some person has him marrying Mary Cox in 1871. I don't know where this
    came from as there is no record of any such marriage.
    Still looking.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

    Crossed with my further info. Mary Cox is supposed to be the maiden
    name of Mary Stewart. A marriage to Mary Stewart in 1871 does exist,
    but as a remarriage it has chronological problems

    Doug.

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to Kate on Sun May 12 16:47:51 2019
    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb89qr$1prh$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 12:58 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered
    Hunts.

    County Huntingdonshire
    Place Fletton
    Church name St Margaret
    Register type Parish Register
    Register entry number 177
    Baptism date 19 Mar 1848
    Person forename Mary Ann
    Person sex F
    Father forename Robert
    Mother forename Mary Ann
    Father surname STEWART
    Person abode Farcet
    Father occupation Blacksmith
    Transcribed by Alan Tuck
    File line number 179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks, Kate. The birth in Hunts matches. Mary is supposed to have
    married a Hickson born in Oz from parents from Kent. Their daughter
    Emily Ann Hickson married James Laidlaw, not my family. Emily's father
    Edward Thomas Hickson (bap 1830 in Kent, seems to have migrated as a
    child, lived in Coburg, Vic) married Mary Stewart, and Martha is shown
    as their daughter. Or rather, she is shown as the daughter of Edward
    and Martha Lloyd, whom he married in 1856 in Vic. The middle name
    Stewart seems significant. A researcher of the Hickson surname accepts
    the marriage to "Mary Stewart." The generally accepted marriage date is 1871.The problem is that none of the family trees for Edward mention
    her. Mary Stewart has been identified with Mary COX, who married
    William Stewart, but he was alive in 1871, when Mary is supposed to have married Edward. I can't get any further, and the Victorian BDM site is
    down. The Ancestry trees are useless; one has Edward marrying both in
    1856. It needs the CDs.

    Doug.


    Sorry Doug, our posts crossed. More confusion as I can only find a "Thomas Edward" (not Edward Thomas)
    Hickson born (in Victoria anyway) is the following.
    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Thomas Edward
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Thomas
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Helen HANNON
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: CRESWICK
    Death Place:
    Year: 1867
    Reg Number: 1653
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    Edward and first wife did not have a daughter named Martha. Martha was the daughter born of Mary Stewart.

    Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888

    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Martha Stewart
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Edward
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary STEWART
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: BALL
    Death Place:
    Year: 1872
    Reg Number: 7070
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    I don't think Mary Cox belongs here. Edward Hickson/Mary Cox had a child
    Emily Ann, in 1875 but there were a number of Edward Hickson's and we know
    Mary Stewart was married to Edward Thomas at this time. I could not find a marriage for Cox. You're right, this tree needs sorting.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to Kate on Sun May 12 18:37:33 2019
    On 12/5/19 4:47 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw"  wrote in message news:qb89qr$1prh$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 12:58 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw"  wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families.  The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered
    Hunts.

    County    Huntingdonshire
    Place    Fletton
    Church name    St Margaret
    Register type    Parish Register
    Register entry number    177
    Baptism date    19 Mar 1848
    Person forename    Mary Ann
    Person sex    F
    Father forename    Robert
    Mother forename    Mary Ann
    Father surname    STEWART
    Person abode    Farcet
    Father occupation    Blacksmith
    Transcribed by    Alan Tuck
    File line number    179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family
    trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks, Kate.  The birth in Hunts matches.  Mary is supposed to have married a Hickson born in Oz from parents from Kent.  Their daughter
    Emily Ann Hickson married James Laidlaw, not my family.  Emily's father Edward Thomas Hickson (bap 1830 in Kent, seems to have migrated as a
    child, lived in Coburg, Vic) married Mary Stewart, and Martha is shown
    as their daughter.  Or rather, she is shown as the daughter of Edward
    and Martha Lloyd, whom he married in 1856 in Vic. The middle name
    Stewart seems significant.  A researcher of the Hickson surname accepts
    the marriage to "Mary Stewart." The generally accepted marriage date is 1871.The problem is that none of the family trees for Edward mention
    her.  Mary Stewart has been identified with Mary COX, who married
    William Stewart, but he was alive in 1871, when Mary is supposed to have married Edward.  I can't get any further, and the Victorian BDM site is down.  The Ancestry trees are useless; one has Edward marrying both in
    1856. It needs the CDs.

    Doug.


    Sorry Doug, our posts crossed. More confusion as I can only find a
    "Thomas Edward" (not Edward Thomas)
    Hickson born (in Victoria anyway) is the following.
    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Thomas Edward
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Thomas
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Helen HANNON
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: CRESWICK
    Death Place:
    Year: 1867
    Reg Number: 1653
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    Edward and first wife did not have a daughter named Martha. Martha was the daughter born of  Mary Stewart.

    Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888

    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Martha Stewart
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Edward
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary STEWART
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: BALL
    Death Place:
    Year: 1872
    Reg Number: 7070
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    I don't think Mary Cox belongs here. Edward Hickson/Mary Cox had a child Emily Ann, in 1875 but there were a number of Edward Hickson's and we
    know Mary Stewart was married to Edward Thomas at this time. I could not
    find a marriage for Cox. You're right, this tree needs sorting.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    If you want to give up, please do. I got involved because I was helping
    a descendant of somebody in this mess (I have almost forgotten who) on Wikitree. She lives in Hobart, but her family has roots in Coburg. She
    thought that the name Laidlaw was uncommon, so I must be related. her
    mother was a Laidlaw.The family has been traced back to Adelaide, then
    to the Scottish borders. Then a researcher who refuses to put his trees
    online found my reference to Hickson, and queried my data.

    Regards,

    Doug.

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to Kate on Tue May 14 13:43:04 2019
    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb8m0e$1d06$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 4:47 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb89qr$1prh$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 12:58 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered
    Hunts.

    County Huntingdonshire
    Place Fletton
    Church name St Margaret
    Register type Parish Register
    Register entry number 177
    Baptism date 19 Mar 1848
    Person forename Mary Ann
    Person sex F
    Father forename Robert
    Mother forename Mary Ann
    Father surname STEWART
    Person abode Farcet
    Father occupation Blacksmith
    Transcribed by Alan Tuck
    File line number 179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family
    trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks, Kate. The birth in Hunts matches. Mary is supposed to have
    married a Hickson born in Oz from parents from Kent. Their daughter
    Emily Ann Hickson married James Laidlaw, not my family. Emily's father Edward Thomas Hickson (bap 1830 in Kent, seems to have migrated as a
    child, lived in Coburg, Vic) married Mary Stewart, and Martha is shown
    as their daughter. Or rather, she is shown as the daughter of Edward
    and Martha Lloyd, whom he married in 1856 in Vic. The middle name
    Stewart seems significant. A researcher of the Hickson surname accepts
    the marriage to "Mary Stewart." The generally accepted marriage date is 1871.The problem is that none of the family trees for Edward mention
    her. Mary Stewart has been identified with Mary COX, who married
    William Stewart, but he was alive in 1871, when Mary is supposed to have married Edward. I can't get any further, and the Victorian BDM site is
    down. The Ancestry trees are useless; one has Edward marrying both in
    1856. It needs the CDs.

    Doug.


    Sorry Doug, our posts crossed. More confusion as I can only find a "Thomas Edward" (not Edward Thomas)
    Hickson born (in Victoria anyway) is the following.
    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Thomas Edward
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Thomas
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Helen HANNON
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: CRESWICK
    Death Place:
    Year: 1867
    Reg Number: 1653
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    Edward and first wife did not have a daughter named Martha. Martha was the daughter born of Mary Stewart.

    Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888

    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Martha Stewart
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Edward
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary STEWART
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: BALL
    Death Place:
    Year: 1872
    Reg Number: 7070
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    I don't think Mary Cox belongs here. Edward Hickson/Mary Cox had a child Emily Ann, in 1875 but there were a number of Edward Hickson's and we know Mary Stewart was married to Edward Thomas at this time. I could not find a marriage for Cox. You're right, this tree needs sorting.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    If you want to give up, please do. I got involved because I was helping
    a descendant of somebody in this mess (I have almost forgotten who) on Wikitree. She lives in Hobart, but her family has roots in Coburg. She
    thought that the name Laidlaw was uncommon, so I must be related. her
    mother was a Laidlaw.The family has been traced back to Adelaide, then
    to the Scottish borders. Then a researcher who refuses to put his trees
    online found my reference to Hickson, and queried my data.

    Regards,

    Doug.

    I am finding it quite interesting but I do wonder if the tree was
    constructed with/without benefit of documentation. If it were my family I would, for starters, want two birth certificates. That of Martha Stewart B
    1872 child of Edward Thomas Hickson/Mary Stewart, Also that of Emily Ann b
    1875 child of Edward Hickson/Mary Cox.
    Certificates would give solid information to move forward.
    What are the chances?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to Kate on Wed May 15 13:47:17 2019
    "Kate" wrote in message news:qbddg9$lp3$1@gioia.aioe.org...



    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb8m0e$1d06$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 4:47 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb89qr$1prh$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/5/19 12:58 pm, Kate wrote:


    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qb75ei$vsq$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I am trying to untangle two Hickson families. The family trees on
    Ancestry.com look as though they have been fiddled to agree.

    Martha Stewart Hickson was born 1872 in Ballarat East Vic, Reg No 7070.

    Can I please have as much detail of her parents as possible?

    TIA,

    Doug.

    Hello Doug

    Martha's parents marriage record has mother's birth place as
    Huntingdonshire.
    The following sounds correct. The only Mary Stewart birth registered
    Hunts.

    County Huntingdonshire
    Place Fletton
    Church name St Margaret
    Register type Parish Register
    Register entry number 177
    Baptism date 19 Mar 1848
    Person forename Mary Ann
    Person sex F
    Father forename Robert
    Mother forename Mary Ann
    Father surname STEWART
    Person abode Farcet
    Father occupation Blacksmith
    Transcribed by Alan Tuck
    File line number 179

    I can't access Ancestry so I don't know what information is on the family
    trees, who the owners are, or what the problem is.
    Can you give me a clue?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks, Kate. The birth in Hunts matches. Mary is supposed to have
    married a Hickson born in Oz from parents from Kent. Their daughter
    Emily Ann Hickson married James Laidlaw, not my family. Emily's father Edward Thomas Hickson (bap 1830 in Kent, seems to have migrated as a
    child, lived in Coburg, Vic) married Mary Stewart, and Martha is shown
    as their daughter. Or rather, she is shown as the daughter of Edward
    and Martha Lloyd, whom he married in 1856 in Vic. The middle name
    Stewart seems significant. A researcher of the Hickson surname accepts
    the marriage to "Mary Stewart." The generally accepted marriage date is 1871.The problem is that none of the family trees for Edward mention
    her. Mary Stewart has been identified with Mary COX, who married
    William Stewart, but he was alive in 1871, when Mary is supposed to have married Edward. I can't get any further, and the Victorian BDM site is
    down. The Ancestry trees are useless; one has Edward marrying both in
    1856. It needs the CDs.

    Doug.


    Sorry Doug, our posts crossed. More confusion as I can only find a "Thomas Edward" (not Edward Thomas)
    Hickson born (in Victoria anyway) is the following.
    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Thomas Edward
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Thomas
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Helen HANNON
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: CRESWICK
    Death Place:
    Year: 1867
    Reg Number: 1653
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    Edward and first wife did not have a daughter named Martha. Martha was the daughter born of Mary Stewart.

    Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888

    Surname: HICKSON
    Given Names: Martha Stewart
    Event: B
    Spouse Surname/Father: Edward
    Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary STEWART
    Age:
    Sex:
    Birth Place: BALL
    Death Place:
    Year: 1872
    Reg Number: 7070
    Denomination:
    Parish:
    Fiche:

    I don't think Mary Cox belongs here. Edward Hickson/Mary Cox had a child Emily Ann, in 1875 but there were a number of Edward Hickson's and we know Mary Stewart was married to Edward Thomas at this time. I could not find a marriage for Cox. You're right, this tree needs sorting.

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia
    If you want to give up, please do. I got involved because I was helping
    a descendant of somebody in this mess (I have almost forgotten who) on Wikitree. She lives in Hobart, but her family has roots in Coburg. She
    thought that the name Laidlaw was uncommon, so I must be related. her
    mother was a Laidlaw.The family has been traced back to Adelaide, then
    to the Scottish borders. Then a researcher who refuses to put his trees
    online found my reference to Hickson, and queried my data.

    Regards,

    Doug.

    I am finding it quite interesting but I do wonder if the tree was
    constructed with/without benefit of documentation. If it were my family I would, for starters, want two birth certificates. That of Martha Stewart B
    1872 child of Edward Thomas Hickson/Mary Stewart, Also that of Emily Ann b
    1875 child of Edward Hickson/Mary Cox.
    Certificates would give solid information to move forward.
    What are the chances?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia



    Doug, this is what I think happened. When Edward Hickson's first wife died
    in 1871 he married Mary Ann Stewart that same year and brought six children
    to the marriage. The following year they had a child, Martha Stewart
    Hickson. At this time Mary was only 24-5 years old and mother to seven children. Shortly after this I think she simply ran away, leaving her child Martha behind.
    Edward then began a de facto relationship with Mary Cox which appears to
    have endured. This is borne out by the fact that when Martha died in 1953,
    Mary Cox was shown as her mother. Perhaps she had been told this was so or
    even knowing the truth, if Mary C had raised the children Martha might have felt she had earned the right to be acknowledged as her mother.

    Various records might show Edward/Mary Cox as "claiming" to be married but
    we know that is not possible without Edward being guilty of bigamy.

    The fact remains that Martha Stewart Hickson was the daughter of Mary Ann Stewart of Huntingdonshire and the granddaughter of Robert Stewart/Mary Ann Goodman of that area. She was also the niece of Harriet, Robert, Alfred and Shadrach Stewart.

    To sum up,
    Edward had seven children with first wife Martha Hardiman LLoyd (one of whom died young)
    One child with second wife Mary Ann Stewart.
    One child with Mary Cox born out of wedlock.

    Does this sound plausible to you?

    Regards

    Kate
    Sydney, Australia

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to Kate on Thu May 30 21:29:59 2019
    On 14/5/19 1:43 pm, Kate wrote:
    I am finding it quite interesting but I do wonder if the tree was
    constructed with/without benefit of documentation. If it were my family
    I would, for starters, want two birth certificates. That of Martha
    Stewart B 1872 child of Edward Thomas Hickson/Mary Stewart, Also that of Emily Ann b 1875 child of Edward Hickson/Mary Cox.

    My Hickson contact tells me that merging the two Edwards was my idea,
    not his. I think that I got it from online family trees. He has been
    proved right, and Tanya's line is from the Swan marriage, not the
    Hickson one. I agree that those certificates would help, but they
    aren't available until the Victorian BDM starts working again. Since I
    was only "helping," I might as well delete all the relevant data.

    The birth entries in Ancestry's searches often give more detail than a one-liner from the official sources.

    Doug.

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  • From Kate@21:1/5 to Kate on Fri May 31 10:15:42 2019
    "Doug Laidlaw" wrote in message news:qcoern$1v2o$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 14/5/19 1:43 pm, Kate wrote:
    I am finding it quite interesting but I do wonder if the tree was
    constructed with/without benefit of documentation. If it were my family I would, for starters, want two birth certificates. That of Martha Stewart B 1872 child of Edward Thomas Hickson/Mary Stewart, Also that of Emily Ann b 1875 child of Edward Hickson/Mary Cox.

    My Hickson contact tells me that merging the two Edwards was my idea,
    not his. I think that I got it from online family trees. He has been
    proved right, and Tanya's line is from the Swan marriage, not the
    Hickson one. I agree that those certificates would help, but they
    aren't available until the Victorian BDM starts working again. Since I
    was only "helping," I might as well delete all the relevant data.

    The birth entries in Ancestry's searches often give more detail than a one-liner from the official sources.

    Doug.


    Hello Doug

    I don't understand who this second Edward is or where you found him but if
    he doesn't belong it's better to just forget him.

    What part of the Vic BDM's are you having trouble with. I have just tried it and all is fine short of paying money in which I am obviously not going to
    do?

    Kate

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