• I am fuming!

    From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 9 23:12:11 2017
    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any
    consideration for whether they are realistic. I just copied a woman
    onto my tree. Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained married
    surname. On further investigation, the family that the others had was
    English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.

    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland when
    she was 8. She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast. In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died in
    France.

    Doug.

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  • From Percival P. Cassidy@21:1/5 to Doug Laidlaw on Sat Dec 9 10:36:27 2017
    On 12/09/2017 07:12 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any consideration for whether they are realistic.  I just copied a woman
    onto my tree.  Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained married surname.  On further investigation, the family that the others had was English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.

    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland when
    she was 8.  She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast.  In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died in France.

    Perhaps it's time to expand the old saying (of which there are many
    variants):

    "There are lies, damnable lies, statistics, weather forecasts, political 'promises', advertisers' claims, -- and now 'family trees'."

    Perce

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  • From aotueka@xtra.co.nz@21:1/5 to Doug Laidlaw on Sun Dec 10 09:11:55 2017
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com

    Sorry Doug - I do not really understand your post. Maybe it's too early
    in the day . . . .
    Are you saying that you added all of THIS LADY'S data to your tree
    before verifying any of it, OR
    Are you saying that she sent you erroneous data that was ridiculously
    inaccurate and had obviously not been verified, OR
    Are you saying something absolutely different that I have completely
    missed . . . ?
    Beth

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: I am fuming!
    From: Doug Laidlaw
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com
    CC:

    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any
    consideration for whether they are realistic. I just copied a woman
    onto my tree. Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained
    married
    surname. On further investigation, the family that the others had
    was
    English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.
    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland
    when
    she was 8. She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast. In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died
    in
    France.
    Doug.
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  • From John Maher@21:1/5 to Doug Laidlaw on Sun Dec 10 07:30:02 2017
    On 9/12/2017 11:12 PM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any consideration for whether they are realistic.  I just copied a woman
    onto my tree.  Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained married surname.  On further investigation, the family that the others had was English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.

    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland when
    she was 8.  She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast.  In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died
    in France.

    Doug.

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    I once did some research on a difficult ancestor, and found someone in
    England with this particular person in her tree. When I read the info I
    noticed a spelling mistake. I checked her facts with mine, and
    discovered in my tree the same spelling mistake.....

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@21:1/5 to aotueka@xtra.co.nz on Sun Dec 10 11:36:09 2017
    Sorry Beth. I am noted nowadays for being obscure. MyHeritage gives us
    almost no choice but to accept what they have found, and to keep costs
    down, they don't match against anything that they have to pay for. That
    boils down to other trees and uncorrected OCR notices from Trove.

    I imported the whole entry. I refuse to do that as a rule, but the data
    seemed reasonable and they all had it (a good reason to suspect it.) It
    was all copied from one mistaken original. One Golden Rule from AFTC
    magazine (I hope it comes back) is never to accept other people's data
    without checking it. Even researchers whom I would respect any time,
    have been known to make mistakes.

    Doug.

    On 10/12/17 07:11, aotueka@xtra.co.nz wrote:
    Sorry Doug - I do not really understand your post. Maybe it's too early
    in the day . . . .
    Are you saying that you added all of THIS LADY'S data to your tree
    before verifying any of it, OR
    Are you saying that she sent you erroneous data that was ridiculously
    inaccurate and had obviously not been verified, OR
    Are you saying something absolutely different that I have completely
    missed . . . ?
    Beth

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: I am fuming!
    From: Doug Laidlaw
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com
    CC:

    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any
    consideration for whether they are realistic. I just copied a woman
    onto my tree. Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained
    married
    surname. On further investigation, the family that the others had
    was
    English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.
    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland
    when
    she was 8. She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast. In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died
    in
    France.
    Doug.
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  • From Lance Buckley@21:1/5 to Doug Laidlaw on Sun Dec 10 11:52:22 2017
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com

    I agree. I have received information from various sources including My Heritage and have never downloaded anything until I cross-check it and have actual documentation to prove info is correct. I have a cousin who was accepting everything on My Heritage without checking correctly and I have
    told her numerous times CHECK, CHECK, CHECK before you accept any
    information.

    Regards,
    Lance
    buckles7@bigpond.com

    Researching Ayling, Buckley & Tubb



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    From: GENANZ [mailto:genanz-bounces+buckles7=bigpond.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doug Laidlaw
    Sent: Sunday, 10 December, 2017 11:36 AM
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com
    Subject: Re: I am fuming!

    Sorry Beth. I am noted nowadays for being obscure. MyHeritage gives us
    almost no choice but to accept what they have found, and to keep costs down, they don't match against anything that they have to pay for. That boils down
    to other trees and uncorrected OCR notices from Trove.

    I imported the whole entry. I refuse to do that as a rule, but the data
    seemed reasonable and they all had it (a good reason to suspect it.) It was all copied from one mistaken original. One Golden Rule from AFTC magazine
    (I hope it comes back) is never to accept other people's data without
    checking it. Even researchers whom I would respect any time, have been
    known to make mistakes.

    Doug.

    On 10/12/17 07:11, aotueka@xtra.co.nz wrote:
    Sorry Doug - I do not really understand your post. Maybe it's too
    early
    in the day . . . .
    Are you saying that you added all of THIS LADY'S data to your tree
    before verifying any of it, OR
    Are you saying that she sent you erroneous data that was ridiculously
    inaccurate and had obviously not been verified, OR
    Are you saying something absolutely different that I have completely
    missed . . . ?
    Beth

    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: I am fuming!
    From: Doug Laidlaw
    To: genanz@rootsweb.com
    CC:

    So many family trees are merely copy-and-paste jobs, without any
    consideration for whether they are realistic. I just copied a woman
    onto my tree. Everybody agreed on the facts, but on my tree, she had
    her first child at age 9 as well as an additional, unexplained
    married
    surname. On further investigation, the family that the others had
    was
    English, while the people on my tree were all born in NSW.
    In my Laidlaw tree, there is a child born to a woman in Scotland
    when
    she was 8. She lived on the East coast, and her husband lived on the
    West coast. In an American case, a girl was supposed to have married
    the Irish composer Wallace, but she was only 1 year old when he died
    in
    France.
    Doug.
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