I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England.
Archive reference D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers >burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some >births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.
The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.
I think it says
John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November
16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall
Bopne the 22:of June 1654
Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8
of July: 1658:
below that are three burials (sepulta/us erat), then two entries that >definitely have the word Baptised (or paptised) [in English].
What's surprising me is that (a) it's unusual for births rather than
baptisms to be recorded in such a register - sometimes birth dates as
well as baptisms, which is always nice to find, but I've never seen
_just_ births before - and (b) there's a fuzzy patch over the three
"Borne" words in the "John ..." paragraph, as if something has been
rubbed out and Borne inserted - in particular, the middle one looks like
it has "ap" where "or" should be.
(I can't tell for sure - I think it's a scan of a microfilm of ...)
Any thoughts? [Sorry, can't post the image - I'll have got it from one
of the two main providers, and they're fussy about release of their
material. But a search for John Henshall baptised in Staffordshire in
165x should find it. (I think he's my 9th great grandfather.)]
Seems odd to have three births - or baptisms - from the same father,
from three different years, listed in the same paragraph. My _guess_ is
that he asked a clerk to make the entry, and subsequently someone
changed the three words (possibly soon after, possibly years later). But >that's only a guess.
Is it possible that they were all baptised at the same time, and the
births all then recorded at that time?
I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England.
Archive reference D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.
The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.
I think it says
John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November
16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall
Bopne the 22:of June 1654
Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8
of July: 1658:
below that are three burials (sepulta/us erat), then two entries that definitely have the word Baptised (or paptised) [in English].
What's surprising me is that (a) it's unusual for births rather than
baptisms to be recorded in such a register - sometimes birth dates as
well as baptisms, which is always nice to find, but I've never seen
_just_ births before - and (b) there's a fuzzy patch over the three
"Borne" words in the "John ..." paragraph, as if something has been
rubbed out and Borne inserted - in particular, the middle one looks like
it has "ap" where "or" should be.
(I can't tell for sure - I think it's a scan of a microfilm of ...)
Any thoughts? [Sorry, can't post the image - I'll have got it from one
of the two main providers, and they're fussy about release of their
material. But a search for John Henshall baptised in Staffordshire in
165x should find it. (I think he's my 9th great grandfather.)]
Seems odd to have three births - or baptisms - from the same father,
from three different years, listed in the same paragraph. My _guess_ is
that he asked a clerk to make the entry, and subsequently someone
changed the three words (possibly soon after, possibly years later). But that's only a guess.
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:52:39 +0000, Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is it possible that they were all baptised at the same time, and the
births all then recorded at that time?
I was about to post, that I don't know about the 17th century but in
the 19th I have seen several cases where several children in the same
family were baptised at the same time. In on instance the eldest was
about 7.
I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England.
Archive reference D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.
The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.
I think it says
John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November
16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall
Bopne the 22:of June 1654
Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8
of July: 1658:
below that are three burials (sepulta/us erat), then two entries that definitely have the word Baptised (or paptised) [in English].
What's surprising me is that (a) it's unusual for births rather than
baptisms to be recorded in such a register - sometimes birth dates as
well as baptisms, which is always nice to find, but I've never seen
_just_ births before - and (b) there's a fuzzy patch over the three
"Borne" words in the "John ..." paragraph, as if something has been
rubbed out and Borne inserted - in particular, the middle one looks like
it has "ap" where "or" should be.
(I can't tell for sure - I think it's a scan of a microfilm of ...)
Any thoughts? [Sorry, can't post the image - I'll have got it from one
of the two main providers, and they're fussy about release of their
material. But a search for John Henshall baptised in Staffordshire in
165x should find it. (I think he's my 9th great grandfather.)]
Seems odd to have three births - or baptisms - from the same father,
from three different years, listed in the same paragraph. My _guess_ is
that he asked a clerk to make the entry, and subsequently someone
changed the three words (possibly soon after, possibly years later). But that's only a guess.
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:47:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England. >>Archive reference D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers >>burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some >>births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.
The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.
I think it says
John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November
16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall
Bopne the 22:of June 1654
Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8
of July: 1658:
below that are three burials (sepulta/us erat), then two entries that >>definitely have the word Baptised (or paptised) [in English].
What's surprising me is that (a) it's unusual for births rather than >>baptisms to be recorded in such a register - sometimes birth dates as
well as baptisms, which is always nice to find, but I've never seen
_just_ births before - and (b) there's a fuzzy patch over the three
"Borne" words in the "John ..." paragraph, as if something has been
rubbed out and Borne inserted - in particular, the middle one looks like
it has "ap" where "or" should be.
(I can't tell for sure - I think it's a scan of a microfilm of ...)
Any thoughts? [Sorry, can't post the image - I'll have got it from one
of the two main providers, and they're fussy about release of their >>material. But a search for John Henshall baptised in Staffordshire in
165x should find it. (I think he's my 9th great grandfather.)]
Seems odd to have three births - or baptisms - from the same father,
from three different years, listed in the same paragraph. My _guess_ is >>that he asked a clerk to make the entry, and subsequently someone
changed the three words (possibly soon after, possibly years later). But >>that's only a guess.
1650s are Commonwealth era - baptismal records often not found
One of my ancestors had two children in the late 1650s and died in the[]
early 1660s. At some point, full details of the births were written
into the end of the baptismal register, complete with time of the
birth as well as the date, at the end of the volume. It may be that
My recollection is that the entries were on the last half page of the[]
parish register ( regular entries stopping at the end of 1668 - Lady
Day) if you have access to scans and want to look. My notes indicate
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 10:01:28, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote (my[...]
responses usually follow points raised):
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:47:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England. >>>Archive reference D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers >>>burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some >>>births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.
The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.
I think it says
John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November
16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall
Bopne the 22:of June 1654
Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8
of July: 1658:
1650s are Commonwealth era - baptismal records often not found
One of my ancestors had two children in the late 1650s and died in the >>early 1660s. At some point, full details of the births were written
into the end of the baptismal register, complete with time of the
birth as well as the date, at the end of the volume. [...]
My recollection is that the entries were on the last half page of the >>parish register ( regular entries stopping at the end of 1668 - Lady
Day) if you have access to scans and want to look. [...]
I've now got round to looking back at my image - it's >https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2F007566321%2F01837&parentid=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2FBAP%2F363608
(you probably need a FindMyPast subscription to see it) - but it looks
(the edges of the image show the book) as if it's near the middle of a
Very Thick Book, and unlike some things, there _isn't_ a "image x of y"
at the bottom where one can manually change x. (Maybe that's only on >familysearch images, I can't remember.) [There _is_ a ">" for "next
image" button on the right, but trundling through to the end of the book
that way would take forever!]
Ah well - thanks for the suggestion; it's probably right (about
commonwealth being the reason)!
unlike some things, there _isn't_ a "image x of y" at the bottom where
one can manually change x. (Maybe that's only on familysearch images, I
can't remember.) [There _is_ a ">" for "next image" button on the right,
On 19/01/2021 18:10, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
unlike some things, there _isn't_ a "image x of y" at the bottom
where one can manually change x. (Maybe that's only on familysearch >>images, I can't remember.) [There _is_ a ">" for "next image" button
on the right,
I've just looked back through the posts to find this as I had a vague
memory of someone saying something about this problem and I had
recently noticed the same when looking at Northumberland Parish
Registers on FindMyPast.
I discovered that if one uses the < or > to move back or forward one
image, the "x of y" does then appear at the bottom of the screen, along
with the option to download the image, so one can then go forward or
back one to the original image and either download it, or type in a
number to leap to a different position in the set.
Thought I'd just mention this in case someone else hasn't discovered it.
(And on the subject of FMP, why on earth did they do away with the
handy alphabetical list of record sets, which was so much quicker to
use than the current arrangement?)
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