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  • Re: 1944 travel restrictions in UK to facilitate troop movements

    From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to cecilia on Thu Apr 14 09:49:39 2022
    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    The ban came in long before D-Day for security reasons. I'm not aware
    that it continued long after D-Day, though obviously troop movements and military logistics would have had absolute priority on rail and road.

    Unfortunately google is not very helpful and the books I have all
    concentrate on events the other side of the channel after D-Day.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From cecilia@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 14 09:18:22 2022
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Thu Apr 14 11:51:32 2022
    On 14/04/2022 09:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    The ban came in long before D-Day for security reasons. I'm not aware
    that it continued long after D-Day, though obviously troop movements and military logistics would have had absolute priority on rail and road.

    Unfortunately google is not very helpful and the books I have all
    concentrate on events the other side of the channel after D-Day.


    Just to add, the pre-invasion restrictions were on people /leaving/ the
    south. Once inside the perimeter you couldn't leave.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From john@21:1/5 to cecilia on Thu Apr 14 12:24:21 2022
    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of
    the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk or on FindMyPast

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 14 13:49:03 2022
    Apologies - I'd have gone to email but ... (-:

    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 11:51:32, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    [snipped]
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

    Given its a *.dcu address, I think you can drop that line (-:

    Regards, former *@soft255.demon.co.uk
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 14 14:24:04 2022
    On 14/04/2022 13:49, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    Apologies - I'd have gone to email but ... (-:

    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 11:51:32, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    [snipped]
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

    Given its a *.dcu address, I think you can drop that line (-:

    Regards, former *@soft255.demon.co.uk

    It's to help people who don't know about demon. :-)

    The address was valid when I set up my news account but then vodafone
    screwed it and I couldn't be bothered to set up a new account.

    Regards

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to cecilia on Fri Apr 15 14:54:21 2022
    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    There were "Protected Areas" (I think another category as well), most of
    the Highlands was a Protected Area. There were checkpoints and you
    needed a special pass to enter the area and probably to move around.

    There would be Field Security Police assigned to the area.

    There were smaller ones around various sites also so presumably similar restrictions were placed in the South of England before D-Day.

    By the way, many of the restrictions were very similar to those in WWI.

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  • From cecilia@21:1/5 to john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr on Fri Apr 15 23:01:10 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:24:21 +0100, john
    <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of
    the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk or on FindMyPast

    Yes of course! <bangs head on desk!>

    For both of those, I use the m/cs at the Public Library, which is shut
    at present. However, I can access The Times Digital Archive from
    home. There's every indication that in August 1944 trains were almost unbelievably crowded for the general public (regardless of the fact
    that the Government wanted people to leave London) but that was not
    deterring people from getting away for a holiday. Bournemouth was
    very popular and even Hastings, though a banned area, was showing
    signs of an increase in population.

    I am grateful for the suggestion.

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  • From cecilia@21:1/5 to rail@greywall.demon.co.uk on Fri Apr 15 23:01:10 2022
    On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:51:32 +0100, Graeme Wall
    <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

    On 14/04/2022 09:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 14/04/2022 09:18, cecilia wrote:
    ! gather from a comment in an anecdote that in 1944 there was a a ban,
    until about 10 weeks after D-Day, on general travel south in England
    because of troop movements to Normandy .

    Is it possible to confirm when it ended?

    Would next-of-kin of hospitalised seriously wounded soldiers have been
    Exempt from the restriction (i.e. able to travel to visit) or would
    they have had to wait?

    The ban came in long before D-Day for security reasons. I'm not aware
    that it continued long after D-Day, though obviously troop movements and
    military logistics would have had absolute priority on rail and road.

    Unfortunately google is not very helpful and the books I have all
    concentrate on events the other side of the channel after D-Day.


    Just to add, the pre-invasion restrictions were on people /leaving/ the >south. Once inside the perimeter you couldn't leave.

    Thsnk you.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to john on Wed Apr 20 11:52:55 2022
    On 14/04/2022 12:24, john wrote:
    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of
    the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk or on FindMyPast

    And Hansard.

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 13:04:01 2022
    On 20/04/2022 12:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 11:52:55, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 14/04/2022 12:24, john wrote:
    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of
    the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk  or on FindMyPast

    And Hansard.

    That's an interesting point: is Hansard one of the titles covered by BNA
    (and thus FindMyPast)?

    Hansard is on-line <https://hansard.parliament.uk>


    Also, the "London, Edinburgh and Belfast Gazette(s)" [which is where
    certain official announcements are made - I remember it being mentioned
    in the Amateur Radio Licence, for example, as one of the places where
    changes might be notified].

    As is the Gazette: <https://www.thegazette.co.uk>


    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Apr 20 12:47:11 2022
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 11:52:55, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses
    usually FOLLOW):
    On 14/04/2022 12:24, john wrote:
    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of
    the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk or on FindMyPast

    And Hansard.

    That's an interesting point: is Hansard one of the titles covered by BNA
    (and thus FindMyPast)?

    Also, the "London, Edinburgh and Belfast Gazette(s)" [which is where
    certain official announcements are made - I remember it being mentioned
    in the Amateur Radio Licence, for example, as one of the places where
    changes might be notified].
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    GDPR: the General Data Protection Regulation. It was one of those things in life that was terribly important but mind-bogglingly dull. Not unlike myself.
    - Eddie Mair, RT 2018/6/16-22

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 21:43:13 2022
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 13:04:01, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 20/04/2022 12:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 11:52:55, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my
    responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 14/04/2022 12:24, john wrote:
    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of >>>> the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk  or on FindMyPast

    And Hansard.

    That's an interesting point: is Hansard one of the titles covered by
    BNA (and thus FindMyPast)?

    Hansard is on-line <https://hansard.parliament.uk>

    Also, the "London, Edinburgh and Belfast Gazette(s)" [which is where >>certain official announcements are made - I remember it being
    mentioned in the Amateur Radio Licence, for example, as one of the
    places where changes might be notified].

    As is the Gazette: <https://www.thegazette.co.uk>


    Thanks for those.

    Are they online back to the first issue? (Don't reply unless you happen
    to know anyway: I could look myself now you've given the links!)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in silencing mankind. -John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)

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  • From Charles Ellson@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Thu Apr 21 00:43:34 2022
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 21:43:13 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 13:04:01, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> >wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 20/04/2022 12:47, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 11:52:55, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my
    responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 14/04/2022 12:24, john wrote:
    I would have thought there would have been reports in the newspapers of >>>>> the lifting of the restrictions?
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk  or on FindMyPast

    And Hansard.

    That's an interesting point: is Hansard one of the titles covered by
    BNA (and thus FindMyPast)?

    Hansard is on-line <https://hansard.parliament.uk>

    Also, the "London, Edinburgh and Belfast Gazette(s)" [which is where >>>certain official announcements are made - I remember it being
    mentioned in the Amateur Radio Licence, for example, as one of the >>>places where changes might be notified].

    As is the Gazette: <https://www.thegazette.co.uk>


    Thanks for those.

    Are they online back to the first issue? (Don't reply unless you happen
    to know anyway: I could look myself now you've given the links!)

    Currently back to 1803. https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/
    Apparently that is some time before Hansard was actually "official".

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to charlesellson@btinternet.com on Thu Apr 21 14:19:14 2022
    On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 00:43:34 +0100, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:



    Are they online back to the first issue? (Don't reply unless you happen
    to know anyway: I could look myself now you've given the links!)

    Currently back to 1803. >https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/
    Apparently that is some time before Hansard was actually "official".

    There are some gaps in the Historic Hansard, and it wasn't clear when
    I raised it with them whether anything was being done to fill them.

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