When might mother's occupation appear on a full birth certificate in
England in the years between WW2 and 1984?
In thje last few years, I have come across three GRO birth
certificates from London registration districts where the mother was
the informant and no father was named.
It's not always possible to be sure of what's in an image in a
television programme, but in each case there seemed to be, after the
mother's name, an occupation and an address - presumably place of work
since it differed from the residential address in her entry as
informant.
How normal was it to include cccupation of the mother if she was the
only parent listed?
How common was it for any parent's details to include a place of work
as well as an occupation?
On 10/01/2022 23:34, cecilia wrote:
When might mother's occupation appear on a full birth certificate in
England in the years between WW2 and 1984?
In thje last few years, I have come across three GRO birth
certificates from London registration districts where the mother was
the informant and no father was named.
It's not always possible to be sure of what's in an image in a
television programme, but in each case there seemed to be, after the
mother's name, an occupation and an address - presumably place of work
since it differed from the residential address in her entry as
informant.
How normal was it to include cccupation of the mother if she was the
only parent listed?
How common was it for any parent's details to include a place of work
as well as an occupation?
My father's birth certificate gives his father's place of work: Civil
servant (War Office), though that may be an anomaly.
Interesting. Thank you [though as I was once told (though I've never >checked) that all Government employees were Civil Servants for
passport purposes etc until the early 1960s, I'd be tempted to think
that "(War Office)" was more a departmental division than an address.
Note to self: check the census occupation and occupation code for
someone I think was in the Colonial Office by 1911.]
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:43:17 +0000, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote:
Interesting. Thank you [though as I was once told (though I've never >>checked) that all Government employees were Civil Servants for
passport purposes etc until the early 1960s, I'd be tempted to think
that "(War Office)" was more a departmental division than an address.
Note to self: check the census occupation and occupation code for
someone I think was in the Colonial Office by 1911.]
I've seen census entries for men with managerial positions in the Post
Office say they were Civil Servants, which they were, and sometimes
with the addition that they worked for the PO, and sometimes also
their position within the PO.
To amplify my previous statement - I was told was that "Civil,Servant" >covered all Government employees from diplomats to postmen. Nice to
have half of that confirmed.
On 10/01/2022 23:34, cecilia wrote:
When might mother's occupation appear on a full birth certificate in
England in the years between WW2 and 1984?
In thje last few years, I have come across three GRO birth
certificates from London registration districts where the mother was
the informant and no father was named.
It's not always possible to be sure of what's in an image in a
television programme, but in each case there seemed to be, after the
mother's name, an occupation and an address - presumably place of work
since it differed from the residential address in her entry as
informant.
How normal was it to include cccupation of the mother if she was the
only parent listed?
How common was it for any parent's details to include a place of
work
as well as an occupation?
My father's birth certificate gives his father's place of work: Civil
servant (War Office), though that may be an anomaly.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 09:01:51, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> >wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On 10/01/2022 23:34, cecilia wrote:Or could it be that "(War Office)" was a way of indicating that the
When might mother's occupation appear on a full birth certificate in
England in the years between WW2 and 1984?
In thje last few years, I have come across three GRO birth
certificates from London registration districts where the mother was
the informant and no father was named.
It's not always possible to be sure of what's in an image in a
television programme, but in each case there seemed to be, after the
mother's name, an occupation and an address - presumably place of work
since it differed from the residential address in her entry as
informant.
How normal was it to include cccupation of the mother if she was the
only parent listed?
How common was it for any parent's details to include a place of
work
as well as an occupation?
My father's birth certificate gives his father's place of work: Civil >>servant (War Office), though that may be an anomaly.
person was not normally a government employee, but was co-opted (or some
such suitable term) for the duration, or part thereof?
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:25:33 +0000, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote:
To amplify my previous statement - I was told was that "Civil,Servant" >>covered all Government employees from diplomats to postmen. Nice to
have half of that confirmed.
Anyone who is employed by the government is a civil servant. To bring >politics into it, it's one of the reasons the Tories were/are so keen
on privatisations, to reduce the number of people on the government
payroll, with jobs for life and who can't be sacked very easily.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 09:01:51, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On 10/01/2022 23:34, cecilia wrote:Or could it be that "(War Office)" was a way of indicating that the
When might mother's occupation appear on a full birth certificate in
England in the years between WW2 and 1984?
In thje last few years, I have come across three GRO birth
certificates from London registration districts where the mother was
the informant and no father was named.
It's not always possible to be sure of what's in an image in a
television programme, but in each case there seemed to be, after the
mother's name, an occupation and an address - presumably place of work
since it differed from the residential address in her entry as
informant.
How normal was it to include cccupation of the mother if she was the
only parent listed?
How common was it for any parent's details to include a place of work
as well as an occupation?
My father's birth certificate gives his father's place of work: Civil
servant (War Office), though that may be an anomaly.
person was not normally a government employee, but was co-opted (or some
such suitable term) for the duration, or part thereof?
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:25:33 +0000, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote:
To amplify my previous statement - I was told was that "Civil,Servant"
covered all Government employees from diplomats to postmen. Nice to
have half of that confirmed.
Anyone who is employed by the government is a civil servant. To bring politics into it, it's one of the reasons the Tories were/are so keen
on privatisations, to reduce the number of people on the government
payroll, with jobs for life and who can't be sacked very easily.
On 12/01/2022 19:40, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:25:33 +0000, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote:
To amplify my previous statement - I was told was that "Civil,Servant"
covered all Government employees from diplomats to postmen. Nice to
have half of that confirmed.
Anyone who is employed by the government is a civil servant. To bring
politics into it, it's one of the reasons the Tories were/are so keen
on privatisations, to reduce the number of people on the government
payroll, with jobs for life and who can't be sacked very easily.
To take one example, BT employees weren't civil servants. Amongst other >things they had their own pension scheme, rather better than the Civil >Service's in fact.
On 12/01/2022 19:40, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:25:33 +0000, cecilia <myths@ic24.net> wrote:
To amplify my previous statement - I was told was that "Civil,Servant"
covered all Government employees from diplomats to postmen. Nice to
have half of that confirmed.
Anyone who is employed by the government is a civil servant. To bring
politics into it, it's one of the reasons the Tories were/are so keen
on privatisations, to reduce the number of people on the government
payroll, with jobs for life and who can't be sacked very easily.
To take one example, BT employees weren't civil servants. Amongst other things they had their own pension scheme, rather better than the Civil Service's in fact.
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