I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day, in
the 1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker and
his wife as a Boot Binder. It made me wonder whether shoes do not also
have to be bound - whatever the process may be.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:46:20 +0000, Jenny M Benson
<NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe >sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day, in
the 1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker and
his wife as a Boot Binder. It made me wonder whether shoes do not also
have to be bound - whatever the process may be.

My 2x great aunt, living in Glasgow, had her occupation described as
"Boot Top Fitter" in the 1881 and 1891 censuses. She gave her ages as
16 and 25 respectively. In 1893 she married a man with the same
occupation. After marriage she stopped working, but I see that in the
1911 census her husband's occupation had become "Boot Top Cutter".

Was this promotion? Possibly. More skill was presumably required to
cut, rather than to fit.

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On 02/01/2022 15:46, Jenny M Benson wrote:

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day, in the
1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker and his wife as a Boot Binder.  It made me wonder whether shoes do not also have to be
bound - whatever the process may be.

I seem to remember that "shoes" once did not have separate upper with with outer/inner soles attached -- although the boot style later became the norm
-- but I cannot find a reliable reference. There might be some useful background at
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Manufacturing_Occupations_A_to_H_(National_Institute).

Tony Proctor

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On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 15:46:20, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe >sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day,
in the 1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker
and his wife as a Boot Binder. It made me wonder whether shoes do not
also have to be bound - whatever the process may be.

Lots of fascinating discussion - but could she just be a book binder?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... the greatest musical festival in the world that doesn't involve mud.
- Eddie Mair, RT 2014/8/16-22

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 05:05:01 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 15:46:20, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe >>sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day,
in the 1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker
and his wife as a Boot Binder. It made me wonder whether shoes do not
also have to be bound - whatever the process may be.

Lots of fascinating discussion - but could she just be a book binder?

Looking at what the neighbours or other family members are doing can
often give some hints.

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 06:32:22 +0000, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 05:05:01 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 15:46:20, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> >>wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe >>>sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day,
in the 1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker >>>and his wife as a Boot Binder. It made me wonder whether shoes do not >>>also have to be bound - whatever the process may be.

Lots of fascinating discussion - but could she just be a book binder?

Looking at what the neighbours or other family members are doing can
often give some hints.

(pressed send too soon)
So far the family score is 1 in the shoe trade. If the neighbours are
in the same business then that increases the chances of it being boot
rather than book.
There is mention of boot binders in :- https://loiselsden.com/2014/07/20/boot-binder-catcher-clicker-closer/

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On 04/01/2022 05:05, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 15:46:20, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):

I have frequently come across both Bootmakers and Shoemakers (and maybe sometimes the different words describing the same person) but to-day, in the
1881 Census, I found a man who described himself as a Shoemaker and his wife as a Boot Binder.  It made me wonder whether shoes do not also have to
be bound - whatever the process may be.

Lots of fascinating discussion - but could she just be a book binder?

It could be, John (I didn't think of that) but "boot binder" was a proper profession, and it mentioned in the link I posted above.

Tony

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)