• How about this for a comprehensive baptism record!

    From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 19 01:07:21 2021
    1798, in Barthomley, Cheshire, England:

    [Name] [Father] [Mother] [born] [baptism]
    John Son of Thomas Martin Mary Martin
    Martin junior of Barthomley Daug: of Willm on Sunday on Tuesday
    Miller Son of Thomas Rosson of Crewe the 18h of the 20th of
    Martin of Barthomley Miller, by Mar- March March
    Farmer by Sarah his tha his Wife -
    No.231. Wife Daug: of Thomas
    Tunstal of War-
    rington Brazier

    (I hope the columns come through OK.)

    So it gives father, his profession and residence, _his_ father, _his_ profession, residence, and wife; mother, _her_ father, _his_ residence profession and wife, and _her_ (wife's mother's) father and residence.
    Oh, and just for completeness, DOB as well as of baptism - even the days
    of the week!

    Would that all records were that comprehensive!

    (Unfortunately, I already had everything but the DOB, and Martha
    Tunstall's father and his location.)
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  • From Jenny M Benson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 19 10:31:01 2021
    On 19/03/2021 01:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    So it gives father, his profession and residence,_his_ father,_his_ profession, residence, and wife; mother,_her_ father,_his_ residence profession and wife, and_her_ (wife's mother's) father and residence.
    Oh, and just for completeness, DOB as well as of baptism - even the days
    of the week!

    Would that all records were that comprehensive!

    Registers in this Dade-style were kept at St Helen's, Northwich,
    Cheshire for many years which was very fortunate for me as I have
    numerous relatives from that parish. The Burial Registers not only
    include date of death but also cause of death, which can often make very interesting reading...such as the man who was convicted of rape and
    hanged at Chester Castle. (My friend, who had heard a talk about this
    case told me why he was allowed to be buried at St Helen's and not at
    the prison, but I forget now what the reason was.)

    --
    Jenny M Benson
    Wrexham, UK

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  • From Ian Goddard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 19 10:31:26 2021
    On 19/03/2021 01:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    1798, in Barthomley, Cheshire, England:

    [Name] [Father] [Mother] [born] [baptism]
    John Son of Thomas Martin Mary Martin
    Martin junior of Barthomley Daug: of Willm on Sunday on Tuesday
    Miller Son of Thomas Rosson of Crewe the 18h of the 20th of
    Martin of Barthomley Miller, by Mar- March March
    Farmer by Sarah his tha his Wife -
    No.231. Wife Daug: of Thomas
    Tunstal of War-
    rington Brazier


    Interesting. A miller marrying a miller's daughter. I've seen
    inter-marriage of various milling families here, near Holmfirth.

    Ian

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  • From Ruth Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 19 12:23:52 2021
    On 19/03/2021 01:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    1798, in Barthomley, Cheshire, England:

    [Name] [Father] [Mother] [born] [baptism]
    John Son of Thomas Martin Mary Martin
    Martin junior of Barthomley Daug: of Willm on Sunday on Tuesday
    Miller Son of Thomas Rosson of Crewe the 18h of the 20th of
    Martin of Barthomley Miller, by Mar- March March
    Farmer by Sarah his tha his Wife -
    No.231. Wife Daug: of Thomas
    Tunstal of War-
    rington Brazier

    (I hope the columns come through OK.)

    So it gives father, his profession and residence, _his_ father, _his_ profession, residence, and wife; mother, _her_ father, _his_ residence profession and wife, and _her_ (wife's mother's) father and residence.
    Oh, and just for completeness, DOB as well as of baptism - even the days
    of the week!

    Would that all records were that comprehensive!

    (Unfortunately, I already had everything but the DOB, and Martha
    Tunstall's father and his location.)

    One of my long-standing brick walls broke through just enough to get me
    to the West Riding and a series of Dade registers - from being stuck in
    the 1830s for 20-odd years, I was back to 1699! (and is all this info transcribed on e.g. Family Search??? ;-) )


    Ruth

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 19 17:26:26 2021
    On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 12:23:52, Ruth Wilson <ruth.wilson@virgin.net>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    One of my long-standing brick walls broke through just enough to get me
    to the West Riding and a series of Dade registers - from being stuck in

    You're the second person to refer to this as "Dade". I'm interested.

    the 1830s for 20-odd years, I was back to 1699! (and is all this info >transcribed on e.g. Family Search??? ;-) )

    I manually typed out this example, as I was just staggered to find it!
    (I was using FindMyPast when I found it.)

    Ruth
    John
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  • From James Heaton@21:1/5 to Jenny M Benson on Fri Mar 19 15:15:34 2021
    "Jenny M Benson" <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:ibjcr4Fdj1kU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 19/03/2021 01:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    So it gives father, his profession and residence,_his_ father,_his_
    profession, residence, and wife; mother,_her_ father,_his_ residence
    profession and wife, and_her_ (wife's mother's) father and residence.
    Oh, and just for completeness, DOB as well as of baptism - even the days
    of the week!

    Would that all records were that comprehensive!

    Registers in this Dade-style were kept at St Helen's, Northwich, Cheshire
    for many years which was very fortunate for me as I have numerous
    relatives from that parish. The Burial Registers not only include date of death but also cause of death, which can often make very interesting reading...such as the man who was convicted of rape and hanged at Chester Castle. (My friend, who had heard a talk about this case told me why he
    was allowed to be buried at St Helen's and not at the prison, but I forget now what the reason was.)


    If it's the case I'm thinking of there were 3, Wilkinson Burgess and
    Yarwood.

    Bodies of those hanged for not-attaintable offences prior to a certain date were returned to the family, i.e. not murder treason or a few other 'crimes against the state'

    So as residents of Northwich they would have been entitled to burial in the parish church if their families wished.

    James

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