From: Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
Does anyone know if the surname Partingale is one of those delightfully idiosyncratic names that are designed to trap the unwary? (Like
Mainwaring, Cholmondeley, Happisburgh, etc.)
I came across mention in a Will of someone named as Maria Partingale. I
have found her in a Census as Partingale, but it has been "corrected" by
a user to Portnell. I have also found the Marriage Register entry
where her husband and the vicar have written his surname as Portnell.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Partingale is correctly pronounced Portnell.
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This message only just showed up here. That may explain the lack of success you've had, as you mention in the Google group.
Also, according to Google, there are plenty of references to the name Partingale. Maybe the person who submitted the correction was mistaken?
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Does anyone know if the surname Partingale is one of those delightfully idiosyncratic names that are designed to trap the unwary? (Like Mainwaring, Cholmondeley, Happisburgh, etc.)
I came across mention in a Will of someone named as Maria Partingale. I have found her in a Census as Partingale, but it has been "corrected" by
a user to Portnell. I have also found the Marriage Register entry
where her husband and the vicar have written his surname as Portnell.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Partingale is correctly pronounced Portnell.
from https://tinyurl.com/ybaxls2c
Portingale Spelling Variations
Spelling variations of this family name include: Petingale, Pettengill, Pettingale, Pettengill, Pettingall, Petnal, Pettnall, Pettnel,
Pettinell, Pettinall, Pettengell and many more.
and also https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Portingale
In the 1881 census it is very rare https://britishsurnames.co.uk/surname/partingale/
As are Portnell https://britishsurnames.co.uk/surname/portnell/stats
and Portingale https://britishsurnames.co.uk/surname/portingale/stats
You could explore links in https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Personal_Names
One of these days I'm going to find the time (I wish!) to check my tree
to see how often the "usual British naming convention" was followed.By "uBnc", do you mean just the "took husband's surname" (and children
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 13:10:56, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
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One of these days I'm going to find the time (I wish!) to check my tree
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to see how often the "usual British naming convention" was followed.By "uBnc", do you mean just the "took husband's surname" (and children
did too) convention, or are you referring to something else, like the Partingale/Portnell thing?
(FWIW, I don't think I have _anyone_ in my tree that doesn't use
patriarchal surnames, apart from illegitimate births, or where people
with the same surname married [so you can't tell anyway, or a _few_ from late 20th century on [but even then, it's rare].)
On 06/03/2021 15:05, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:[]
[]By "uBnc", do you mean just the "took husband's surname" (and
children did too) convention, or are you referring to something else,
like the Partingale/Portnell thing?
From one section (Naming Pattern) of the link I gave earlier >https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Personal_Names#Naming_Patte
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the usual British naming convention was as follows:
• The first son was named after the paternal grandfather
• The second son was named after the maternal grandfather
• The third son was named after the father
• The fourth son was named after the oldest paternal uncle
• The fifth was named after the second oldest paternal uncle or the
oldest maternal uncle
• The first daughter was named after the maternal grandmother
• The second daughter was named after the paternal grandmother
• The third daughter was named after the mother
• The fourth daughter was named after the oldest maternal aunt
• The fifth was named after the second oldest maternal aunt or the
oldest paternal aunt
If there was duplication (for example, the paternal grandfather and the >father had the same name), then the family moved to the next position
on the list.
Thanks for this; I'd never come across it. I wonder how widely-known it
was.
On 06/03/2021 18:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Thanks for this; I'd never come across it. I wonder how widely-known
it was.
I've come across frequent mention of this "British naming convention"
but have always been a bit sceptical about it. I think I might have
heard that it's more common in Scotland - or that a slightly different >version is/was practised in Scotland. (But I could be mis-remembering.)
On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 21:15:58, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On 06/03/2021 18:07, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:Come to think of it, the "name after grandfather" part could explain the >alternating forenames (Ralph/William Weightman) in one of my lines.
Thanks for this; I'd never come across it. I wonder how widely-known
it was.
I've come across frequent mention of this "British naming convention"
but have always been a bit sceptical about it. I think I might have
heard that it's more common in Scotland - or that a slightly different >>version is/was practised in Scotland. (But I could be mis-remembering.)
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