Rod ,
Just adding my Irish Abbott was born Abt. 1807 in co. Leitrim Ireland , came out to Antigua along with two of his brothers before 1844 . One brother Thomas returned to Ireland and Richard and Robert remained in Antigua . I have found a lot of info on my
Richard but very little on his brother Robert .
Richard married in Antigua Ann Suter who was of Scottish Irish origin . Ann had been married to James Henry Goodwin who was in Antigua and who died .
Richard had some 8 children many born in Ireland . It is amazing to me how the family moved between Antigua and Ireland . Richard was a Planter and also bought property in Antigua . He died in Antigua in 1867 . I live in Antigua , Richard was my gggrand
father . My greatgrand father , son of Richard and Ann was William Richard , born in Ireland 1852 and died in Antigua 1907 . There were many Abbotts from Ireland here who were cousins to Richard , Robert and Thomas . Some of the Abbotts went off to
Australia and the US .
I have also been luckily enough to make contact with present day Abbott relatives some of who have visited me in Antigua and I have visited with them in Ireland . Most are descended from Thomas who came out to Antigua but returned to Ireland not long
after . Richard & Robert erected a gravestone for their parents in Ireland which exists in good condition to this day .
Phillip Abbott
Antigua
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Hey Rod,
I’m not sure just how to answer your question. I have dedicated a great deal of time to family history and, although not holding any official position in the FTDNA “Whalen/O Faolain” surname project, have become the project’s unofficial
historian and am conversant with the whole body of material relating to the O Faolain as “Lords of the Deisi.” While I’ll likely never get over my ancestral annoyance with the Normans; I also have to recognize that my maternal Grandmother was one
of them and that following arrival in Virginia my male ancestors married a whole slew of English wives. I published (long in the past) a very long article, co-authored with Donald Akenson, about the Irish Civil War of 1921-22. However, my longest
recent article (2011) was directed to a seemingly non-Irish part of my mother’s family.
Jack
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Now that's the sort of thing I am after, Jack. We know that a lot of
folk left Barbados in the 17th century to go to Virginia so yours are potentially one of those.
Follow up question is how important is your Irish heritage to you?
Just an academic exercise or more than that?
Pleased for you to have a look at The O'Donoghue Society site but it
is solely O'Donoghue related whereas Jim's is much more all-encompassing.
Thanks for your contribution. Am hoping more folk will join in this discussion.
Cheers
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Dear Rod and Jim,
It?s only so often that someone breaks loose a topic here that pulls
me in, but this one has.
My first recorded immigrant in America was Charles (I) Fallin [the
spelling didn?t fully settle down until the next generation] who
purchased property in Northumberland County, VA in 1671.
My potential Caribbean leads include:
1. 1641, BARBADOS, MONTSERRAT:
Letter written at Walham [Waltham] Abbey 12th Oct. 1641 from James,
2nd Earl of Carlisle to Gov. [Henry] Ashton of Barbados:
[Postscript] "there is one Dan?l Fallan of Monserrat with 3 others
(wherof Fallan his wife hath addressed her self by peticon here unto
me) who along tyme hath stood under Govnor Brisket's censure for a consperacy of Capt.
Ayleworth, wch busines I have advise[d] Mr. Brisket to end him selfe
without further trouble. But if not I do pray & authorize yor selfe
to take cognizance hereof upon any of the p?ties addresses to you & to
pray Mr Birket & all the p?ty to declare the truth & state of these
matters unto you and that you end or order the same betwixt them sch.
If not observed then that you would certifye me I have written to this purpose to Mr. Brisket doubting some practize agt. Fallon whom I would willingly have repayred yf you finde cause in all p'ticulars of his
censure I pray informe yor self well herein."
2. 1655, MONTSERRAT
February 7, 1655. Mentions a planter named Daniel Fallon of
Montserrat as purchasing goods in 1643, for which money is still owed.
Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of Emigrants, Vol. 1, 1607-1660, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore. (1987), p. 284. Oliver ed., Caribbeana, Mitchell Hughes & Clark, London (1914), Vol III, p. 319.
3. 1662, BARBADOS:
?Barbados Wills ?
Fellon, William ?"
Oliver, Caribbeana, Vol IV, Mitchell Hughes and Clark, London (1916), p.
219.
ABSTRACT
?FELLON, William RB6/15, p. 211
Dep, 4 Nov 1662, John Danyell, age 45; About 10 days before William
Fellon died he came to Walter Poore. Being very sick, he bequeathed
to his wf & chn & his kinsm Dennis Fellon?
Sanders, Wills & Administratons, Vol I. (1639-1680), p. 211.
e-Correspondence from Ernest Wiltshire 11/26/2016.
1680, BARBADOS:
St. Andrews Parish:
ANDREW FALLIN [and] 1 Negro
?
ANDREW FOLLYN [and] 1 Negro [with] 26 Acres.
Also lists 1 Christening (of ANDREW) and 1 Burial.
Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality etc., Hotten, London
(1874), pp. 470, 471. NOTE: These two names likely refer to the same
person and they correspond to the Andrew Follin whose will was later
probated in 1694.
It appears that you have both run down more sources than I?ve been
able to find, so I will definitely take a look at your separate sites.
I have gone fully down the DNA road (FTDNA - STRs, 67 and-111marker; -
SNPs, Big Y & YFull; 23and Me (standard combination) - YDNA SNPs,
autosomal, mitochondrial).
The Y DNA analysis has established my gaelic family as ? Faol?in (most commonly Anglicized as Phelan or Whalen). The ? Faol?in controlled
an area slightly larger than today?s County Waterford [except for the
City itself, which was Viking] until being pushed aside by Norman invaders in 1170 AD.
The family is not the same as ?Fallon,? whose gaelic version was
Fallamhain with a territory largely confined to the part of County
Roscommon lying between the cities of Athlone (Westmeath)and Galway (Galway).
Jim, you need to be aware that 23andMe has changed their formatting
and no longer use the older ?R1b.. etc.? format. My original
haplogroup there was
R1b1b2a1a2f* ? now it?s the far more easily recognized ?R-L21.?
23andMe?s SNP YDNA testing stops way short of FTDNA's Big Y analysis.
For instance, my current terminal haplogroup, BY11097, is nine levels
below R-L21 and hits a time estimate to last common ancestor for three
of us that?s only about a hundred years back of Charles (I) Fallin?s time.
Jack Fallin
Walnut Creek, CA
Today's Topics:
2. Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod O'Donoghue) 3. Re: Irish
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:36:26 +0000
From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
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Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your family got it? Do
you know on which islands your family lived in the past? Do you know
any folktales about Irish-named people?
I would like to start a thread on this subject. I have done a lot of
research on my own surname (and its variants) and the Irish in
general in the Caribbean.
If you are not sure if your name is of Irish origin please ask me. I
will
endeavour to answer any questions people may have on the Irish
influence on Caribbean history and life, and I hope to learn a lot of
new
stuff myself.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone interested in this subject
Cheers
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre
<https://www.odonoghue.co.uk> https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk> rod@odonoghue.co.uk
Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:17:54 -0500
From: Jim Lynch <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>
To: <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>, <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
Message-ID: <f8254cda699966bc1ed31ea6aa2c309d@caribbeanavenue.com>
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My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a complete and utter
lack of records of the day.
BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in the Caribbean I did
not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a possible relative but
another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon becoming
successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin streaming out of
Ireland to share the wealth.
This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have been related to Sir
Thomas. At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were considered
sub-human, by the English - would never have been allowed at the
Royal Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to either
knighthood or Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.
When the overflow became too much to support, some were told to seek
their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that a contingent went to
Barbados, where they, too, were successful.
My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free mulatto b.ca.1769
d.1852, who started a family with a free negro woman named Minifred
or Menifred (both of her names are documented).
Apart from the baptisms with her named as the mother, no other BCBMDB
(Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for
Barbados (that I can find) contain any references whatsoever to
either individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is a note
somewhere that Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but there
is no trace of him anywhere at that church.
I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they just appeared,
started the family, and then eventually just disappeared without
trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities - slave ownership,
property purchases, and I also have his will, but no official records
of primary events.
There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around the same time -
such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with negro woman as
mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel
Lynch was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica Lynch Irish
merchant arrivals I referred to.
I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in Hottens was referenced as
taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot
find any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.
BTW, I am in contact with three living direct descendants of that
Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the DNA test appears to be
related somehow - although I cannot afford to have an expert examine
the evidence.
I have no documented proof of anything, so I make no claims.
If you are not aware of it, I created the Caribbean Surname Index as
a long-term "set and forget" resource for luring possible family
members into making contact. This sounds like a reasonable subject
for circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and response.
Registration and use by searchers and researchers alike is free, and
because I permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it manually -
registration is manual and I monitor all Posts daily to keep it
squeaky
clean.
http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php
Best wishes,
Jim Lynch
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:08:57 +0000
From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
To: "'Jim Lynch'" <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>,
<caribbean@rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
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Jim
My research over the last 15 years started with O'Donoghues (however
spelt) in the archives and I made contact with all those in the phone
books. Did some research for some of them as few knew much about
their family history - mainly on Montserrat, Antigua and St Kitts.
Then I moved on to the Irish in general.
I have used Oliver and Caribbeana quite a bit and I used Hotten's
Lists in the Barbados archives (there were O'Donoghues) - Omitted
Chapters I am not sure. Will go over the others in the BHMS next visit, so thanks for that.
Sir Thomas appears to have been born in Kent, so English as you say,
actually probably Anglo-Norman, de Lench. The Lynches were perhaps
the most important of the Tribes of Galway and there must be records
of where they went in the Caribbean. O'Callaghan calls him an
Irishman, probably assumed so.
I imagine that you aware of the origin of the Lynch name and its
importance in Ireland? Don't want to waste your time. If not, I will transmit.
"Research Specialties - Irish in the Caribbean" sounds good
My hope with this thread is to see how far people feel/know that they
have an Irish heritage and how they support that feeling/knowledge
(family history). From that I can explore how important it is to
them. I remember Sir Howard Fergus saying to me that African origins
are most people's focus and I would like to test that.
And also how far Irish influences are incorporated in Caribbean folktales. This might need a separate thread? There is an Irish folktale about
Jamaica, so I am hoping there are ones going the other way.
Good luck with your airline project.
Cheers
Rod
Sorry to repeat, Jim, I should have pressed Reply all
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email: rod@odonoghue.co.uk
Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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From: Rod O'Donoghue [mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk]
Sent: 12 December 2017 20:24
To: 'Jim Lynch' <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>; 'caribbean@rootsweb.com' <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
Subject: RE: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
Good to 'meet' you, Jim. I recognise the Lynch name as one of the
Tribes of Galway adventurers and Sir Thomas is also a character I am very aware of.
Lynch is an early name historically.
During my research into historical records in many islands I have made
a point of noting every Irish surname I have found. I am in the
process of building a table from these and identifying where each name
is most likely to have come from in Ireland. Lynch appears in
Jamaica, Antigua and Montserrat so far - long way to go through my notes yet.
In The O'Donoghue Society we run a yDNA programme with 287
participants. I have been trying to get a Caribbean resident
O'Donoghue (however spelt, there are over 500 variants) to do the test without success so far. My goal is to see whether some folk of the name carry recognisable Irish markers.
We use FTDNA and I note that they have a Lynch project with 197
participants.
I was not aware of your site - what a fantastic piece of work and resource.
I will spend some proper time going over all the Irish context
material there. I would certainly like to sign on with my project.
We both administer our web site efforts (I also allow no
SPAM/advertising) singlehandedly so I know what it is like. Your
guidance on how to structure a thread(s) on your site to achieve my goals would be much appreciated.
I spend regular time each year in the Caribbean. These days, with my advancing years, I stay in Barbados but over time I have visited over
two dozen islands.
Let's keep this dialogue going
Cheers
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lynch [mailto:jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com]
Sent: 12 December 2017 19:18
To: rod@odonoghue.co.uk; caribbean@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a complete and utter
lack of records of the day.
BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in the Caribbean I did
not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a possible relative but
another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon becoming
successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin streaming out of Ireland to share the wealth.
This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have been related to Sir Thomas.
At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were considered sub-human,
by the English - would never have been allowed at the Royal Court, far
less receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood or Governor of
Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.
When the overflow became too much to support, some were told to seek
their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that a contingent went to Barbados, where they, too, were successful.
My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free mulatto b.ca.1769
d.1852, who started a family with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred (both of her names are documented).
Apart from the baptisms with her named as the mother, no other BCBMDB
(Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for
Barbados (that I can find) contain any references whatsoever to either individual.
Minifred just disappeared, there is a note somewhere that Hamlet was
buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but there is no trace of him anywhere
at that church.
I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they just appeared,
started the family, and then eventually just disappeared without
trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities - slave ownership,
property purchases, and I also have his will, but no official records of primary events.
There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around the same time -
such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with negro woman as
mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel Lynch
was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica Lynch Irish merchant arrivals I referred to.
I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in Hottens was referenced as
taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find
any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.
BTW, I am in contact with three living direct descendants of that
Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the DNA test appears to be
related somehow
- although I cannot afford to have an expert examine the evidence.
I have no documented proof of anything, so I make no claims.
If you are not aware of it, I created the Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and forget" resource for luring possible family members
into making contact. This sounds like a reasonable subject for
circulation to my
1800+ users for discussion and response. Registration and use by
1800+ searchers
and researchers alike is free, and because I permit no SPAM or
advertising I administrate it manually - registration is manual and I
monitor all Posts daily to keep it squeaky clean. http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php
Best wishes,
Jim Lynch
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On 12/12/2017 01:36 PM, Rod O'Donoghue wrote:
Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your family got it? Do
you know on which islands your family lived in the past? Do you know
any folktales about Irish-named people?
I would like to start a thread on this subject. I have done a lot of
research on my own surname (and its variants) and the Irish in
general in the Caribbean.
If you are not sure if your name is of Irish origin please ask me. I
will
endeavour to answer any questions people may have on the Irish
influence on Caribbean history and life, and I hope to learn a lot of
new stuff myself.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone interested in this subject
Cheers
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre
<https://www.odonoghue.co.uk> https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk> rod@odonoghue.co.uk
Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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