• [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 75

    From Rod O'Donoghue@21:1/5 to Rod O'Donoghue on Thu Dec 14 10:19:09 2017
    Now that's the sort of thing I am after, Jack. We know that a lot of folk
    left Barbados in the 17th century to go to Virginia so yours are potentially one of those.

    Follow up question is how important is your Irish heritage to you? Just an academic exercise or more than that?

    Pleased for you to have a look at The O'Donoghue Society site but it is
    solely O'Donoghue related whereas Jim's is much more all-encompassing.

    Thanks for your contribution. Am hoping more folk will join in this discussion.

    Cheers

    Rod


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    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:04:18 -0800
    From: "Jack Fallin" <jakff@astound.net>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 72; Irish Origins
    in Caribbean
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    Dear Rod and Jim,

    It?s only so often that someone breaks loose a topic here that pulls me in,
    but this one has.

    My first recorded immigrant in America was Charles (I) Fallin [the spelling didn?t fully settle down until the next generation] who purchased property
    in Northumberland County, VA in 1671.

    My potential Caribbean leads include:

    1. 1641, BARBADOS, MONTSERRAT:

    Letter written at Walham [Waltham] Abbey 12th Oct. 1641 from James, 2nd Earl
    of Carlisle to Gov. [Henry] Ashton of Barbados:
    [Postscript] "there is one Dan?l Fallan of Monserrat with 3 others (wherof Fallan his wife hath addressed her self by peticon here unto me) who along
    tyme hath stood under Govnor Brisket's censure for a consperacy of Capt. Ayleworth, wch busines I have advise[d] Mr. Brisket to end him selfe without further trouble. But if not I do pray & authorize yor selfe to take cognizance hereof upon any of the p?ties addresses to you & to pray Mr
    Birket & all the p?ty to declare the truth & state of these matters unto you and that you end or order the same betwixt them sch. If not observed then
    that you would certifye me I have written to this purpose to Mr. Brisket doubting some practize agt. Fallon whom I would willingly have repayred yf
    you finde cause in all p'ticulars of his censure I pray informe yor self
    well herein."

    2. 1655, MONTSERRAT

    February 7, 1655. Mentions a planter named Daniel Fallon of Montserrat as purchasing goods in 1643, for which money is still owed.

    Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of Emigrants, Vol. 1, 1607-1660, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore. (1987), p. 284. Oliver ed., Caribbeana, Mitchell Hughes & Clark, London (1914), Vol III, p. 319.

    3. 1662, BARBADOS:

    ?Barbados Wills ?


    Fellon, William ?"

    Oliver, Caribbeana, Vol IV, Mitchell Hughes and Clark, London (1916), p.
    219.


    ABSTRACT

    ?FELLON, William RB6/15, p. 211

    Dep, 4 Nov 1662, John Danyell, age 45; About 10 days before William Fellon
    died he came to Walter Poore. Being very sick, he bequeathed to his wf &
    chn & his kinsm Dennis Fellon?

    Sanders, Wills & Administratons, Vol I. (1639-1680), p. 211.
    e-Correspondence from Ernest Wiltshire 11/26/2016.

    1680, BARBADOS:

    St. Andrews Parish:

    ANDREW FALLIN [and] 1 Negro

    ?

    ANDREW FOLLYN [and] 1 Negro [with] 26 Acres.

    Also lists 1 Christening (of ANDREW) and 1 Burial.

    Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality etc., Hotten, London
    (1874), pp. 470, 471. NOTE: These two names likely refer to the same
    person and they correspond to the Andrew Follin whose will was later
    probated in 1694.



    It appears that you have both run down more sources than I?ve been able to find, so I will definitely take a look at your separate sites.

    I have gone fully down the DNA road (FTDNA - STRs, 67 and-111marker; - SNPs, Big Y & YFull; 23and Me (standard combination) - YDNA SNPs, autosomal, mitochondrial).

    The Y DNA analysis has established my gaelic family as ? Faol?in (most
    commonly Anglicized as Phelan or Whalen). The ? Faol?in controlled an area slightly larger than today?s County Waterford [except for the City itself, which was Viking] until being pushed aside by Norman invaders in 1170 AD.
    The family is not the same as ?Fallon,? whose gaelic version was Fallamhain with a territory largely confined to the part of County Roscommon lying
    between the cities of Athlone (Westmeath)and Galway (Galway).

    Jim, you need to be aware that 23andMe has changed their formatting and no longer use the older ?R1b.. etc.? format. My original haplogroup there was R1b1b2a1a2f* ? now it?s the far more easily recognized ?R-L21.? 23andMe?s
    SNP YDNA testing stops way short of FTDNA's Big Y analysis. For instance,
    my current terminal haplogroup, BY11097, is nine levels below R-L21 and hits
    a time estimate to last common ancestor for three of us that?s only about a hundred years back of Charles (I) Fallin?s time.

    Jack Fallin
    Walnut Creek, CA



    Today's Topics:


    2. Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod O'Donoghue)
    3. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Jim Lynch)


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    Message: 2
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:36:26 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID: <000501d37378$1eaa1890$5bfe49b0$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject. I have done a lot of research on my own surname (and its variants) and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I hope to learn a lot of new
    stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk> https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk> rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/





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    Message: 3
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:17:54 -0500
    From: Jim Lynch <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>
    To: <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>, <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID: <f8254cda699966bc1ed31ea6aa2c309d@caribbeanavenue.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a complete and utter
    lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in the Caribbean I did
    not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a possible relative but
    another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon becoming
    successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin streaming out of
    Ireland to share the wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have been related to Sir
    Thomas. At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were considered sub-human, by the English - would never have been allowed at the Royal
    Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood or
    Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support, some were told to seek
    their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that a contingent went to Barbados, where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free mulatto b.ca.1769
    d.1852, who started a family with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the mother, no other BCBMDB
    (Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for
    Barbados (that I can find) contain any references whatsoever to either individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is a note somewhere that
    Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but there is no trace of
    him anywhere at that church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they just appeared,
    started the family, and then eventually just disappeared without
    trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities - slave ownership,
    property purchases, and I also have his will, but no official records
    of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around the same time -
    such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with negro woman as
    mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel Lynch
    was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica Lynch Irish merchant
    arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in Hottens was referenced as
    taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find
    any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct descendants of that
    Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the DNA test appears to be
    related somehow - although I cannot afford to have an expert examine
    the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I make no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and forget" resource for luring possible family members
    into making contact. This sounds like a reasonable subject for
    circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and response.
    Registration and use by searchers and researchers alike is free, and
    because I permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it manually - registration is manual and I monitor all Posts daily to keep it squeaky
    clean.
    http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

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    Message: 2
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:08:57 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: "'Jim Lynch'" <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>,
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID: <000301d37456$97b24ad0$c716e070$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Jim

    My research over the last 15 years started with O'Donoghues (however spelt)
    in the archives and I made contact with all those in the phone books. Did
    some research for some of them as few knew much about their family history - mainly on Montserrat, Antigua and St Kitts. Then I moved on to the Irish in general.

    I have used Oliver and Caribbeana quite a bit and I used Hotten's Lists in
    the Barbados archives (there were O'Donoghues) - Omitted Chapters I am not sure. Will go over the others in the BHMS next visit, so thanks for that.

    Sir Thomas appears to have been born in Kent, so English as you say,
    actually probably Anglo-Norman, de Lench. The Lynches were perhaps the most important of the Tribes of Galway and there must be records of where they
    went in the Caribbean. O'Callaghan calls him an Irishman, probably assumed
    so.

    I imagine that you aware of the origin of the Lynch name and its importance
    in Ireland? Don't want to waste your time. If not, I will transmit.

    "Research Specialties - Irish in the Caribbean" sounds good

    My hope with this thread is to see how far people feel/know that they have
    an Irish heritage and how they support that feeling/knowledge (family
    history). From that I can explore how important it is to them. I remember
    Sir Howard Fergus saying to me that African origins are most people's focus
    and I would like to test that.

    And also how far Irish influences are incorporated in Caribbean folktales.
    This might need a separate thread? There is an Irish folktale about
    Jamaica, so I am hoping there are ones going the other way.

    Good luck with your airline project.

    Cheers

    Rod

    Sorry to repeat, Jim, I should have pressed Reply all

    Rod O'Donoghue
    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue People and Places'
    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
    Email: rod@odonoghue.co.uk
    Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rod O'Donoghue [mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 20:24
    To: 'Jim Lynch' <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>; 'caribbean@rootsweb.com' <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: RE: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean

    Good to 'meet' you, Jim. I recognise the Lynch name as one of the Tribes of Galway adventurers and Sir Thomas is also a character I am very aware of.
    Lynch is an early name historically.

    During my research into historical records in many islands I have made a
    point of noting every Irish surname I have found. I am in the process of building a table from these and identifying where each name is most likely
    to have come from in Ireland. Lynch appears in Jamaica, Antigua and
    Montserrat so far - long way to go through my notes yet.

    In The O'Donoghue Society we run a yDNA programme with 287 participants. I have been trying to get a Caribbean resident O'Donoghue (however spelt,
    there are over 500 variants) to do the test without success so far. My goal
    is to see whether some folk of the name carry recognisable Irish markers.
    We use FTDNA and I note that they have a Lynch project with 197
    participants.

    I was not aware of your site - what a fantastic piece of work and resource.
    I will spend some proper time going over all the Irish context material
    there. I would certainly like to sign on with my project. We both
    administer our web site efforts (I also allow no SPAM/advertising) singlehandedly so I know what it is like. Your guidance on how to structure
    a thread(s) on your site to achieve my goals would be much appreciated.

    I spend regular time each year in the Caribbean. These days, with my
    advancing years, I stay in Barbados but over time I have visited over two
    dozen islands.

    Let's keep this dialogue going

    Cheers

    Rod



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Lynch [mailto:jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 19:18
    To: rod@odonoghue.co.uk; caribbean@rootsweb.com
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a complete and utter lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in the Caribbean I did not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a possible relative but another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon becoming successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin streaming out of Ireland to share the wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have been related to Sir Thomas.
    At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were considered sub-human, by
    the English - would never have been allowed at the Royal Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood or Governor of Jamaica, as
    Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support, some were told to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that a contingent went to Barbados,
    where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free mulatto b.ca.1769 d.1852, who started a family with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the mother, no other BCBMDB
    (Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for Barbados (that I can find) contain any references whatsoever to either individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is a note somewhere that Hamlet was buried
    "in St. Stephens Chapel", but there is no trace of him anywhere at that
    church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they just appeared, started the family, and then eventually just disappeared without trace. There are
    records of Hamlet's activities - slave ownership, property purchases, and I also have his will, but no official records of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around the same time - such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with negro woman as mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel Lynch was third or fourth
    generation from the Jamaica Lynch Irish merchant arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in Hottens was referenced as taking
    a Barque to nevis as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct descendants of that Jamaica
    Lynch family, and the one who did the DNA test appears to be related somehow
    - although I cannot afford to have an expert examine the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I make no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and forget" resource for luring possible family members into making contact. This sounds like a reasonable subject for circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and response. Registration and use by
    1800+ searchers
    and researchers alike is free, and because I permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it manually - registration is manual and I monitor all Posts
    daily to keep it squeaky clean.
    http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

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    On 12/12/2017 01:36 PM, Rod O'Donoghue wrote:
    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject. I have done a lot of research on my own surname (and its variants) and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I hope to learn a lot of
    new stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk> https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk> rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history: https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/



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  • From Rod O'Donoghue@21:1/5 to Chris Codrington on Thu Dec 14 16:11:38 2017
    To: caribbean@rootsweb.com

    Interesting web site. Thanks, Chris.

    Cheers

    Rod

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Codrington [mailto:cmcod@optimum.net]
    Sent: 14 December 2017 15:39
    To: rod@odonoghue.co.uk; caribbean@rootsweb.com
    Subject: RE: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 75

    Rod, Jim and others:

    There was a lot of "Irish movement" through the west indies throughout the colonial period. In the 17th one of the largest followed the progress of the Penn and Venables fleet (see "The Western
    Design") from Barbados through the Leewards to Santo Domingue and later the resultant capture of Jamaica (Winter -Spring 1654-55) here's a quote from a nice summary of the fiasco:

    "The fleet of eighteen warships and twenty transport vessels set sail from Portsmouth on Christmas Day 1654 and arrived at Barbados a month later.
    Between three and four thousand additional troops were raised from
    volunteers among the indentured servants and freemen in the colonies of Barbados, Montserrat, Nevis and St Kitts to make the numbers of the five original regiments up to
    1,000 men each and to form a sixth regiment. The troop numbers looked impressive, but they were untrained and badly disciplined. Furthermore, supplies were running low and the joint commanders Penn and Venables were arguing with one another.
    Morale among the soldiers sank lower still when the civilian commissioners stipulated that they were not to plunder the Spanish colonies they were
    about to attack but rather to preserve them intact for subsequent English colonisation." {from website below}

    http://bcw-project.org/military/anglo-spanish-war/
    western-design

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Any general statements pertaining to Who were the
    servants in the islands during any given decade must be qualified carefully
    by time in question because changes between 1640 and 1740 were quite
    dramatic (involving what could be called class migration through the
    developing islands in search of open opportunity be it available land or mercantile/trade all driven by the Sugar Revolution as it forced changes in settlement patterns and land development). Despite some very dramatic
    material on the net, the majority were Not convicts though plenty were. Indentured service was a common means to secure a place for much of the landless(including the burgeoning middle class!) in England, Ireland and Scotland. Many of the Irish for instance gravitated to Montserrat and many
    of those were landholders formerly lesser gentry from the Irish wars. There were in fact Irish freemen on most of the islands and there were also Irish landholders as well. One of the reasons for distrust was their divergent politics and consequent allegiances which were by No means consistent. So
    they were handled with care and general suspicion in difficult times as many (on St Kitts for instance) would throw in with the French one day and the English another. They did not act as a block nor did they all share the same politics generally.
    But when the chips were down there always seemed to be a bunch of Irishmen
    in whatever bunch took Barbuda for a week or went over to the French on St. Kitts or turned a privateer pirate etc.
    There were plenty who were individually loyal as well. Because of this and generally bad ethnic relations the English gave the Irish in bad character ratings often...

    After the Venables fleet the movement of landless people whether irish or
    not tended to move down the leewards and off to Jamaica. Jamaica was wide
    open to all sorts of things (privateering and piracy being two major attractions) Later after the Port Royal earthquake a lot of "immigrants"
    chose indentures or passages to the mainland where the servant bond more consistently was land. Those who managed to procure land or a trade more
    often stayed where they were.

    There were complaints from most of the island governors that servants had deserted in droves whenever a fleet passed through. But the Venables fleet
    was the big one on that score and thereafter the big movement of people was towards Jamaica.
    Cod




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    Now that's the sort of thing I am after, Jack. We know that a lot of folk
    left Barbados in the 17th century to go to Virginia so yours are potentially one of those.

    Follow up question is how important is your Irish heritage to you? Just an academic exercise or more than that?

    Pleased for you to have a look at The O'Donoghue Society site but it is
    solely O'Donoghue related whereas Jim's is much more all-encompassing.

    Thanks for your contribution. Am hoping more folk will join in this discussion.

    Cheers

    Rod


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    Caribbean (Jack Fallin)
    2. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod
    O'Donoghue)


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    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:04:18 -0800
    From: "Jack Fallin" <jakff@astound.net>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12, Issue 72; Irish Origins
    in Caribbean
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    Dear Rod and Jim,

    It?s only so often that someone breaks loose a topic here that pulls me in,
    but this one has.

    My first recorded immigrant in America was Charles
    (I) Fallin [the spelling didn?t fully settle down until the next generation] who purchased property in Northumberland County, VA in 1671.

    My potential Caribbean leads include:

    1. 1641, BARBADOS, MONTSERRAT:

    Letter written at Walham [Waltham] Abbey 12th Oct.
    1641 from James, 2nd Earl of Carlisle to Gov.
    [Henry] Ashton of Barbados:
    [Postscript] "there is one Dan?l Fallan of Monserrat with 3 others (wherof Fallan his wife hath addressed her self by peticon here unto me) who along
    tyme hath stood under Govnor Brisket's censure for a consperacy of Capt. Ayleworth, wch busines I have advise[d] Mr.
    Brisket to end him selfe without further trouble.
    But if not I do pray & authorize yor selfe to take cognizance hereof upon
    any of the p?ties addresses to you & to pray Mr Birket & all the p?ty to declare the truth & state of these matters unto you and that you end or
    order the same betwixt them sch. If not observed then that you would
    certifye me I have written to this purpose to Mr. Brisket doubting some practize agt. Fallon whom I would willingly have repayred yf you finde cause
    in all p'ticulars of his censure I pray informe yor self well herein."

    2. 1655, MONTSERRAT

    February 7, 1655. Mentions a planter named Daniel Fallon of Montserrat as purchasing goods in 1643, for which money is still owed.

    Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of Emigrants, Vol. 1, 1607-1660, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore. (1987), p.
    284. Oliver ed.,
    Caribbeana, Mitchell Hughes & Clark, London (1914), Vol III, p. 319.

    3. 1662, BARBADOS:

    ?Barbados Wills ?


    Fellon, William ?"

    Oliver, Caribbeana, Vol IV, Mitchell Hughes and Clark, London (1916), p.
    219.


    ABSTRACT

    ?FELLON, William RB6/15, p. 211

    Dep, 4 Nov 1662, John Danyell, age 45; About 10 days before William Fellon
    died he came to Walter Poore. Being very sick, he bequeathed to his wf &
    chn & his kinsm Dennis Fellon?

    Sanders, Wills & Administratons, Vol I.
    (1639-1680), p. 211.
    e-Correspondence from Ernest Wiltshire 11/26/2016.

    1680, BARBADOS:

    St. Andrews Parish:

    ANDREW FALLIN [and] 1 Negro

    ?

    ANDREW FOLLYN [and] 1 Negro [with] 26 Acres.

    Also lists 1 Christening (of ANDREW) and 1 Burial.

    Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality etc., Hotten, London
    (1874), pp. 470, 471. NOTE:
    These two names likely refer to the same person and they correspond to the Andrew Follin whose will was later probated in 1694.



    It appears that you have both run down more sources than I?ve been able to find, so I will definitely take a look at your separate sites.

    I have gone fully down the DNA road (FTDNA - STRs,
    67 and-111marker; - SNPs, Big Y & YFull; 23and Me (standard combination) -
    YDNA SNPs, autosomal, mitochondrial).

    The Y DNA analysis has established my gaelic family as ? Faol?in (most
    commonly Anglicized as Phelan or Whalen). The ? Faol?in controlled an area slightly larger than today?s County Waterford [except for the City itself, which was Viking] until being pushed aside by Norman invaders in
    1170 AD.
    The family is not the same as ?Fallon,? whose gaelic version was Fallamhain with a territory largely confined to the part of County Roscommon lying
    between the cities of Athlone (Westmeath)and Galway (Galway).

    Jim, you need to be aware that 23andMe has changed their formatting and no longer use the older ?R1b.. etc.? format. My original haplogroup there was R1b1b2a1a2f* ? now it?s the far more easily recognized ?R-L21.? 23andMe?s
    SNP YDNA testing stops way short of FTDNA's Big Y analysis. For instance,
    my current terminal haplogroup, BY11097, is nine levels below R-L21 and hits
    a time estimate to last common ancestor for three of us that?s only about a hundred years back of Charles
    (I) Fallin?s time.

    Jack Fallin
    Walnut Creek, CA



    Today's Topics:


    2. Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod
    O'Donoghue)
    3. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Jim
    Lynch)



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    Message: 2
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:36:26 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <000501d37378$1eaa1890$5bfe49b0$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
    family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in
    the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject.
    I have done a lot of
    research on my own surname (and its variants)
    and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
    origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may
    have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
    hope to learn a lot of
    new
    stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone
    interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
    Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
    Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
    https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/





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    Message: 3
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:17:54 -0500
    From: Jim Lynch <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>
    To: <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>,
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
    Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <f8254cda699966bc1ed31ea6aa2c309d@caribbeanavenue.

    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII";
    format=flowed

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from
    a complete and utter
    lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in
    the Caribbean I did
    not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a
    possible relative but
    another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica
    who, upon becoming
    successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin
    streaming out of
    Ireland to share the wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have
    been related to Sir
    Thomas. At the time the Irish were not trusted,
    and were considered
    sub-human, by the English - would never have
    been allowed at the Royal
    Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to
    either knighthood or
    Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support,
    some were told to seek
    their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that
    a contingent went to
    Barbados, where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free
    mulatto b.ca.1769
    d.1852, who started a family with a free negro
    woman named Minifred or
    Menifred (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the
    mother, no other BCBMDB
    (Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death,
    Burial) records for
    Barbados (that I can find) contain any
    references whatsoever to either
    individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is
    a note somewhere that
    Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but
    there is no trace of
    him anywhere at that church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since
    they just appeared,
    started the family, and then eventually just
    disappeared without
    trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities
    - slave ownership,
    property purchases, and I also have his will,
    but no official records
    of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms
    around the same time -
    such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with
    negro woman as
    mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch
    as father. Hassel Lynch
    was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
    Lynch Irish merchant
    arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in
    Hottens was referenced as
    taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of
    Codrington, but I cannot find
    any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch
    family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct
    descendants of that
    Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the
    DNA test appears to be
    related somehow - although I cannot afford to
    have an expert examine
    the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I
    make no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the
    Caribbean Surname Index as a
    long-term "set and forget" resource for luring
    possible family members
    into making contact. This sounds like a
    reasonable subject for
    circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and
    response.
    Registration and use by searchers and
    researchers alike is free, and
    because I permit no SPAM or advertising I
    administrate it manually -
    registration is manual and I monitor all Posts
    daily to keep it
    squeaky
    clean.
    http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

    --




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    Message: 2
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:08:57 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: "'Jim Lynch'" <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>,
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <000301d37456$97b24ad0$c716e070$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Jim

    My research over the last 15 years started with O'Donoghues (however spelt)
    in the archives and I made contact with all those in the phone books.
    Did some research for some of them as few knew much about their family
    history - mainly on Montserrat, Antigua and St Kitts. Then I moved on to
    the Irish in general.

    I have used Oliver and Caribbeana quite a bit and I used Hotten's Lists in
    the Barbados archives (there were O'Donoghues) - Omitted Chapters I am not sure. Will go over the others in the BHMS next visit, so thanks for that.

    Sir Thomas appears to have been born in Kent, so English as you say,
    actually probably Anglo-Norman, de Lench. The Lynches were perhaps the most important of the Tribes of Galway and there must be records of where they
    went in the Caribbean. O'Callaghan calls him an Irishman, probably assumed
    so.

    I imagine that you aware of the origin of the Lynch name and its importance
    in Ireland? Don't want to waste your time. If not, I will transmit.

    "Research Specialties - Irish in the Caribbean"
    sounds good

    My hope with this thread is to see how far people feel/know that they have
    an Irish heritage and how they support that feeling/knowledge (family
    history). From that I can explore how important it is to them. I remember
    Sir Howard Fergus saying to me that African origins are most people's focus
    and I would like to test that.

    And also how far Irish influences are incorporated in Caribbean folktales.
    This might need a separate thread? There is an Irish folktale about
    Jamaica, so I am hoping there are ones going the other way.

    Good luck with your airline project.

    Cheers

    Rod

    Sorry to repeat, Jim, I should have pressed Reply all

    Rod O'Donoghue
    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue People and Places'
    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
    Email: rod@odonoghue.co.uk
    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rod O'Donoghue [mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 20:24
    To: 'Jim Lynch' <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>; 'caribbean@rootsweb.com' <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: RE: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean

    Good to 'meet' you, Jim. I recognise the Lynch name as one of the Tribes of Galway adventurers and Sir Thomas is also a character I am very aware of.
    Lynch is an early name historically.

    During my research into historical records in many islands I have made a
    point of noting every Irish surname I have found. I am in the process of building a table from these and identifying where each name is most likely
    to have come from in Ireland. Lynch appears in Jamaica, Antigua and
    Montserrat so far - long way to go through my notes yet.

    In The O'Donoghue Society we run a yDNA programme with 287 participants. I have been trying to get a Caribbean resident O'Donoghue (however spelt,
    there are over 500 variants) to do the test without success so far. My goal
    is to see whether some folk of the name carry recognisable Irish markers.
    We use FTDNA and I note that they have a Lynch project with 197
    participants.

    I was not aware of your site - what a fantastic piece of work and resource.
    I will spend some proper time going over all the Irish context material
    there. I would certainly like to sign on with my project. We both
    administer our web site efforts (I also allow no
    SPAM/advertising) singlehandedly so I know what it is like. Your guidance
    on how to structure a
    thread(s) on your site to achieve my goals would be much appreciated.

    I spend regular time each year in the Caribbean.
    These days, with my advancing years, I stay in Barbados but over time I have visited over two dozen islands.

    Let's keep this dialogue going

    Cheers

    Rod



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Lynch
    [mailto:jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 19:18
    To: rod@odonoghue.co.uk; caribbean@rootsweb.com
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a complete and utter lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in the Caribbean I did not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a possible relative but another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon becoming successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin streaming out of Ireland to share the wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have been related to Sir Thomas.
    At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were considered sub-human, by
    the English - would never have been allowed at the Royal Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood or Governor of Jamaica, as
    Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support, some were told to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that a contingent went to Barbados,
    where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free mulatto b.ca.1769 d.1852, who started a family with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the mother, no other BCBMDB
    (Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for Barbados (that I can find) contain any references whatsoever to either individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is a note somewhere that Hamlet was buried
    "in St. Stephens Chapel", but there is no trace of him anywhere at that
    church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they just appeared, started the family, and then eventually just disappeared without trace. There are
    records of Hamlet's activities - slave ownership, property purchases, and I also have his will, but no official records of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around the same time - such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in
    1776/7 - with negro woman as mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch
    as father. Hassel Lynch was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
    Lynch Irish merchant arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in Hottens was referenced as taking
    a Barque to nevis as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct descendants of that Jamaica
    Lynch family, and the one who did the DNA test appears to be related somehow
    - although I cannot afford to have an expert examine the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I make no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and forget" resource for luring possible family members into making contact. This sounds like a reasonable subject for circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and response.
    Registration and use by
    1800+ searchers
    and researchers alike is free, and because I permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it manually - registration is manual and I monitor all Posts
    daily to keep it squeaky clean.
    http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

    --

    On 12/12/2017 01:36 PM, Rod O'Donoghue wrote:
    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
    family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in
    the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject.
    I have done a lot of
    research on my own surname (and its variants)
    and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
    origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may
    have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
    hope to learn a lot of
    new stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone
    interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
    Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
    Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
    https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/



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  • From Chris Codrington@21:1/5 to Rod O'Donoghue on Thu Dec 14 10:38:51 2017
    To: caribbean@rootsweb.com

    Rod, Jim and others:

    There was a lot of "Irish movement" through the
    west indies throughout the colonial period. In the
    17th one of the largest followed the progress of
    the Penn and Venables fleet (see "The Western
    Design") from Barbados through the Leewards to
    Santo Domingue and later the resultant capture of
    Jamaica (Winter -Spring 1654-55) here's a quote
    from a nice summary of the fiasco:

    "The fleet of eighteen warships and twenty
    transport vessels set sail from Portsmouth on
    Christmas Day 1654 and arrived at Barbados a month
    later. Between three and four thousand additional
    troops were raised from volunteers among the
    indentured servants and freemen in the colonies of
    Barbados, Montserrat, Nevis and St Kitts to make
    the numbers of the five original regiments up to
    1,000 men each and to form a sixth regiment. The
    troop numbers looked impressive, but they were
    untrained and badly disciplined. Furthermore,
    supplies were running low and the joint commanders
    Penn and Venables were arguing with one another.
    Morale among the soldiers sank lower still when
    the civilian commissioners stipulated that they
    were not to plunder the Spanish colonies they were
    about to attack but rather to preserve them intact
    for subsequent English colonisation." {from
    website below}

    http://bcw-project.org/military/anglo-spanish-war/
    western-design

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Any general statements pertaining to Who were the
    servants in the islands during any given decade
    must be qualified carefully by time in question
    because changes between 1640 and 1740 were quite
    dramatic (involving what could be called class
    migration through the developing islands in search
    of open opportunity be it available land or
    mercantile/trade all driven by the Sugar
    Revolution as it forced changes in settlement
    patterns and land development). Despite some very
    dramatic material on the net, the majority were
    Not convicts though plenty were.
    Indentured service was a common means to secure a
    place for much of the landless(including the
    burgeoning middle class!) in England, Ireland and
    Scotland. Many of the Irish for instance
    gravitated to Montserrat and many of those were
    landholders formerly lesser gentry from the Irish
    wars. There were in fact Irish freemen on most of
    the islands and there were also Irish landholders
    as well. One of the reasons for distrust was their
    divergent politics and consequent allegiances
    which were by No means consistent. So they were
    handled with care and general suspicion in
    difficult times as many (on St Kitts for instance)
    would throw in with the French one day and the
    English another. They did not act as a block nor
    did they all share the same politics generally.
    But when the chips were down there always seemed
    to be a bunch of Irishmen in whatever bunch took
    Barbuda for a week or went over to the French on
    St. Kitts or turned a privateer pirate etc.
    There were plenty who were individually loyal as
    well. Because of this and generally bad ethnic
    relations the English gave the Irish in bad
    character ratings often...

    After the Venables fleet the movement of landless
    people whether irish or not tended to move down
    the leewards and off to Jamaica. Jamaica was wide
    open to all sorts of things (privateering and
    piracy being two major attractions) Later after
    the Port Royal earthquake a lot of "immigrants"
    chose indentures or passages to the mainland where
    the servant bond more consistently was land. Those
    who managed to procure land or a trade more often
    stayed where they were.

    There were complaints from most of the island
    governors that servants had deserted in droves
    whenever a fleet passed through. But the Venables
    fleet was the big one on that score and thereafter
    the big movement of people was towards Jamaica.
    Cod




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    Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:19 AM
    To: caribbean@rootsweb.com
    Subject: Re: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12,
    Issue 75


    Now that's the sort of thing I am after, Jack. We
    know that a lot of folk left Barbados in the 17th
    century to go to Virginia so yours are potentially
    one of those.

    Follow up question is how important is your Irish
    heritage to you? Just an academic exercise or
    more than that?

    Pleased for you to have a look at The O'Donoghue
    Society site but it is solely O'Donoghue related
    whereas Jim's is much more all-encompassing.

    Thanks for your contribution. Am hoping more folk
    will join in this discussion.

    Cheers

    Rod


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    2. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod
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    Message: 1
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:04:18 -0800
    From: "Jack Fallin" <jakff@astound.net>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 12,
    Issue 72; Irish Origins
    in Caribbean
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    Dear Rod and Jim,

    It?s only so often that someone breaks loose a
    topic here that pulls me in, but this one has.

    My first recorded immigrant in America was Charles
    (I) Fallin [the spelling didn?t fully settle down
    until the next generation] who purchased property
    in Northumberland County, VA in 1671.

    My potential Caribbean leads include:

    1. 1641, BARBADOS, MONTSERRAT:

    Letter written at Walham [Waltham] Abbey 12th Oct.
    1641 from James, 2nd Earl of Carlisle to Gov.
    [Henry] Ashton of Barbados:
    [Postscript] "there is one Dan?l Fallan of
    Monserrat with 3 others (wherof Fallan his wife
    hath addressed her self by peticon here unto me)
    who along tyme hath stood under Govnor Brisket's
    censure for a consperacy of Capt.
    Ayleworth, wch busines I have advise[d] Mr.
    Brisket to end him selfe without further trouble.
    But if not I do pray & authorize yor selfe to
    take cognizance hereof upon any of the p?ties
    addresses to you & to pray Mr Birket & all the
    p?ty to declare the truth & state of these matters
    unto you and that you end or order the same
    betwixt them sch. If not observed then that you
    would certifye me I have written to this purpose
    to Mr. Brisket doubting some practize agt. Fallon
    whom I would willingly have repayred yf you finde
    cause in all p'ticulars of his censure I pray
    informe yor self well herein."

    2. 1655, MONTSERRAT

    February 7, 1655. Mentions a planter named Daniel
    Fallon of Montserrat as purchasing goods in 1643,
    for which money is still owed.

    Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of
    Emigrants, Vol. 1, 1607-1660,
    Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore. (1987), p.
    284. Oliver ed.,
    Caribbeana, Mitchell Hughes & Clark, London
    (1914), Vol III, p. 319.

    3. 1662, BARBADOS:

    ?Barbados Wills ?


    Fellon, William ?"

    Oliver, Caribbeana, Vol IV, Mitchell Hughes and
    Clark, London (1916), p.
    219.


    ABSTRACT

    ?FELLON, William RB6/15, p. 211

    Dep, 4 Nov 1662, John Danyell, age 45; About 10
    days before William Fellon died he came to Walter
    Poore. Being very sick, he bequeathed to his wf &
    chn & his kinsm Dennis Fellon?

    Sanders, Wills & Administratons, Vol I.
    (1639-1680), p. 211.
    e-Correspondence from Ernest Wiltshire 11/26/2016.

    1680, BARBADOS:

    St. Andrews Parish:

    ANDREW FALLIN [and] 1 Negro

    ?

    ANDREW FOLLYN [and] 1 Negro [with] 26 Acres.

    Also lists 1 Christening (of ANDREW) and 1 Burial.

    Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality
    etc., Hotten, London (1874), pp. 470, 471. NOTE:
    These two names likely refer to the same person
    and they correspond to the Andrew Follin whose
    will was later probated in 1694.



    It appears that you have both run down more
    sources than I?ve been able to find, so I will
    definitely take a look at your separate sites.

    I have gone fully down the DNA road (FTDNA - STRs,
    67 and-111marker; - SNPs, Big Y & YFull; 23and Me
    (standard combination) - YDNA SNPs, autosomal,
    mitochondrial).

    The Y DNA analysis has established my gaelic
    family as ? Faol?in (most commonly Anglicized as
    Phelan or Whalen). The ? Faol?in controlled an
    area slightly larger than today?s County Waterford
    [except for the City itself, which was Viking]
    until being pushed aside by Norman invaders in
    1170 AD.
    The family is not the same as ?Fallon,? whose
    gaelic version was Fallamhain with a territory
    largely confined to the part of County Roscommon
    lying between the cities of Athlone (Westmeath)and
    Galway (Galway).

    Jim, you need to be aware that 23andMe has changed
    their formatting and no longer use the older
    ?R1b.. etc.? format. My original haplogroup there
    was
    R1b1b2a1a2f* ? now it?s the far more easily
    recognized ?R-L21.? 23andMe?s SNP YDNA testing
    stops way short of FTDNA's Big Y analysis. For
    instance, my current terminal haplogroup, BY11097,
    is nine levels below R-L21 and hits a time
    estimate to last common ancestor for three of us
    that?s only about a hundred years back of Charles
    (I) Fallin?s time.

    Jack Fallin
    Walnut Creek, CA



    Today's Topics:


    2. Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod
    O'Donoghue)
    3. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Jim
    Lynch)



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    Message: 2
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:36:26 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <000501d37378$1eaa1890$5bfe49b0$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
    family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in
    the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject.
    I have done a lot of
    research on my own surname (and its variants)
    and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
    origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may
    have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
    hope to learn a lot of
    new
    stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone
    interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
    Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
    Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
    https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/





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    Message: 3
    Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:17:54 -0500
    From: Jim Lynch <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>
    To: <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>,
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
    Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <f8254cda699966bc1ed31ea6aa2c309d@caribbeanavenue.

    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII";
    format=flowed

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from
    a complete and utter
    lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in
    the Caribbean I did
    not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a
    possible relative but
    another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica
    who, upon becoming
    successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin
    streaming out of
    Ireland to share the wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have
    been related to Sir
    Thomas. At the time the Irish were not trusted,
    and were considered
    sub-human, by the English - would never have
    been allowed at the Royal
    Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to
    either knighthood or
    Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support,
    some were told to seek
    their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that
    a contingent went to
    Barbados, where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free
    mulatto b.ca.1769
    d.1852, who started a family with a free negro
    woman named Minifred or
    Menifred (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the
    mother, no other BCBMDB
    (Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death,
    Burial) records for
    Barbados (that I can find) contain any
    references whatsoever to either
    individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is
    a note somewhere that
    Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but
    there is no trace of
    him anywhere at that church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since
    they just appeared,
    started the family, and then eventually just
    disappeared without
    trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities
    - slave ownership,
    property purchases, and I also have his will,
    but no official records
    of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms
    around the same time -
    such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with
    negro woman as
    mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch
    as father. Hassel Lynch
    was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
    Lynch Irish merchant
    arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in
    Hottens was referenced as
    taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of
    Codrington, but I cannot find
    any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch
    family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct
    descendants of that
    Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the
    DNA test appears to be
    related somehow - although I cannot afford to
    have an expert examine
    the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I
    make no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the
    Caribbean Surname Index as a
    long-term "set and forget" resource for luring
    possible family members
    into making contact. This sounds like a
    reasonable subject for
    circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and
    response.
    Registration and use by searchers and
    researchers alike is free, and
    because I permit no SPAM or advertising I
    administrate it manually -
    registration is manual and I monitor all Posts
    daily to keep it
    squeaky
    clean.
    http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

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    Message: 2
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:08:57 +0000
    From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    To: "'Jim Lynch'" <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>,
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
    Caribbean
    Message-ID:
    <000301d37456$97b24ad0$c716e070$@odonoghue.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    Jim

    My research over the last 15 years started with
    O'Donoghues (however spelt) in the archives and I
    made contact with all those in the phone books.
    Did some research for some of them as few knew
    much about their family history - mainly on
    Montserrat, Antigua and St Kitts. Then I moved on
    to the Irish in general.

    I have used Oliver and Caribbeana quite a bit and
    I used Hotten's Lists in the Barbados archives
    (there were O'Donoghues) - Omitted Chapters I am
    not sure. Will go over the others in the BHMS
    next visit, so thanks for that.

    Sir Thomas appears to have been born in Kent, so
    English as you say, actually probably
    Anglo-Norman, de Lench. The Lynches were perhaps
    the most important of the Tribes of Galway and
    there must be records of where they went in the
    Caribbean. O'Callaghan calls him an Irishman,
    probably assumed so.

    I imagine that you aware of the origin of the
    Lynch name and its importance in Ireland? Don't
    want to waste your time. If not, I will transmit.

    "Research Specialties - Irish in the Caribbean"
    sounds good

    My hope with this thread is to see how far people
    feel/know that they have an Irish heritage and how
    they support that feeling/knowledge (family
    history). From that I can explore how important
    it is to them. I remember Sir Howard Fergus
    saying to me that African origins are most
    people's focus and I would like to test that.

    And also how far Irish influences are incorporated
    in Caribbean folktales.
    This might need a separate thread? There is an
    Irish folktale about Jamaica, so I am hoping there
    are ones going the other way.

    Good luck with your airline project.

    Cheers

    Rod

    Sorry to repeat, Jim, I should have pressed Reply
    all

    Rod O'Donoghue
    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
    Legend' and 'O'Donoghue People and Places'
    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
    Folklore Centre https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
    Email: rod@odonoghue.co.uk
    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rod O'Donoghue [mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 20:24
    To: 'Jim Lynch' <jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com>;
    'caribbean@rootsweb.com'
    <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
    Subject: RE: [Carib] Irish origins in the
    Caribbean

    Good to 'meet' you, Jim. I recognise the Lynch
    name as one of the Tribes of Galway adventurers
    and Sir Thomas is also a character I am very aware
    of.
    Lynch is an early name historically.

    During my research into historical records in many
    islands I have made a point of noting every Irish
    surname I have found. I am in the process of
    building a table from these and identifying where
    each name is most likely to have come from in
    Ireland. Lynch appears in Jamaica, Antigua and
    Montserrat so far - long way to go through my
    notes yet.

    In The O'Donoghue Society we run a yDNA programme
    with 287 participants. I have been trying to get
    a Caribbean resident O'Donoghue (however spelt,
    there are over 500 variants) to do the test
    without success so far. My goal is to see whether
    some folk of the name carry recognisable Irish
    markers.
    We use FTDNA and I note that they have a Lynch
    project with 197 participants.

    I was not aware of your site - what a fantastic
    piece of work and resource.
    I will spend some proper time going over all the
    Irish context material there. I would certainly
    like to sign on with my project. We both
    administer our web site efforts (I also allow no
    SPAM/advertising) singlehandedly so I know what it
    is like. Your guidance on how to structure a
    thread(s) on your site to achieve my goals would
    be much appreciated.

    I spend regular time each year in the Caribbean.
    These days, with my advancing years, I stay in
    Barbados but over time I have visited over two
    dozen islands.

    Let's keep this dialogue going

    Cheers

    Rod



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Lynch
    [mailto:jimlynch@caribbeanavenue.com]
    Sent: 12 December 2017 19:18
    To: rod@odonoghue.co.uk; caribbean@rootsweb.com
    Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
    Caribbean

    My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a
    complete and utter lack of records of the day.

    BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in
    the Caribbean I did not encounter the dastardy Sir
    Thomas as a possible relative but another Irish
    merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon
    becoming successful beyond their wildest dreams,
    had kin streaming out of Ireland to share the
    wealth.

    This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have
    been related to Sir Thomas.
    At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were
    considered sub-human, by the English - would never
    have been allowed at the Royal Court, far less
    receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood
    or Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.

    When the overflow became too much to support, some
    were told to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and I
    discovered that a contingent went to Barbados,
    where they, too, were successful.

    My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free
    mulatto b.ca.1769 d.1852, who started a family
    with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred
    (both of her names are documented).

    Apart from the baptisms with her named as the
    mother, no other BCBMDB (Birth, Christening,
    Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for
    Barbados (that I can find) contain any references
    whatsoever to either individual.
    Minifred just disappeared, there is a note
    somewhere that Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens
    Chapel", but there is no trace of him anywhere at
    that church.

    I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they
    just appeared, started the family, and then
    eventually just disappeared without trace. There
    are records of Hamlet's activities - slave
    ownership, property purchases, and I also have his
    will, but no official records of primary events.

    There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around
    the same time - such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in
    1776/7 - with negro woman as mothers, those with a
    Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel Lynch
    was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
    Lynch Irish merchant arrivals I referred to.

    I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in
    Hottens was referenced as taking a Barque to nevis
    as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find any
    link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.

    BTW, I am in contact with three living direct
    descendants of that Jamaica Lynch family, and the
    one who did the DNA test appears to be related
    somehow
    - although I cannot afford to have an expert
    examine the evidence.

    I have no documented proof of anything, so I make
    no claims.

    If you are not aware of it, I created the
    Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and
    forget" resource for luring possible family
    members into making contact. This sounds like a
    reasonable subject for circulation to my
    1800+ users for discussion and response.
    Registration and use by
    1800+ searchers
    and researchers alike is free, and because I
    permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it
    manually - registration is manual and I monitor
    all Posts daily to keep it squeaky clean. http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php

    Best wishes,

    Jim Lynch

    --

    On 12/12/2017 01:36 PM, Rod O'Donoghue wrote:
    Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
    family got it? Do
    you know on which islands your family lived in
    the past? Do you know
    any folktales about Irish-named people?



    I would like to start a thread on this subject.
    I have done a lot of
    research on my own surname (and its variants)
    and the Irish in general
    in the Caribbean.



    If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
    origin please ask me. I
    will
    endeavour to answer any questions people may
    have on the Irish
    influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
    hope to learn a lot of
    new stuff myself.



    Looking forward to hearing from anyone
    interested in this subject



    Cheers



    Rod O'Donoghue

    Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
    Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
    People and Places'

    Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
    Folklore Centre

    <https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
    https://www.odonoghue.co.uk

    Email: <mailto:rod@odonoghue.co.uk>
    rod@odonoghue.co.uk

    Family history:
    https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/



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