Chris,

Plagiarism is more than just using another's written words without attribution.  It's also presenting another's ideas as one's own original thoughts.  It seems to me people lose sight of that when talking about genealogy because statistical data are
facts and facts can't be copyrighted.  However, the presentation (written, or audio or video recording) of interpretations of and conclusions drawn from that data can be copyrighted; and therefore, can be plagiarized.  (II. What can and can’t be
copyrighted? | New Media Rights)

I think you were right to confront this man on what he did.  I'd like to think he'd give you credit for your work.  That he was bold enough to do this leads me to think he won't.  

At least you didn't have your work sold back to you.  About ten years ago, there was a woman on the McIntosh list who was hawking a book she wrote.  She claimed to have combined research she had done with material her father had left her.  Her
research amounted to nothing more than e-mailing herself inquires people had sent to the McIntosh list.  One of mine was among them.  She kept the wording and formatting.  I wrote the McIntosh list to alert other researchers to this scam.  I also
included in that e-mail Rootsweb's policy regarding ownership of submitted info and what can and cannot be done with it.  I took a great deal of flak for that e-mail - mainly centered on how data can't be plagiarized.  The artists, mostly writers and
photographers, understood my position and supported me.  The episode turned my stomach enough to make me walk away from genealogical research for about five or six years.  

So, Chris, you had no choice but to call this man out.  I'm glad you did and that you're not keeping it private.

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  2. Re:  awkward topic: plagiarism and due recognition (mreilly169)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:23:51 -0400
From: "Chris Codrington" <cmcod@optimum.net>
To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due recognition
Message-ID: <000c01d2faa5$25013670$6f03a350$@optimum.net>
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Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.



I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy.. 



There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called  "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.



https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/



        I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc



Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and  got busy at work so that was the end of it.



Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:





Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir.  You are co opting my work and research.



The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves  It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site  seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support  that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++end panygyric!



So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..



Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

                          Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:38:21 -0500
From: mreilly169 <mreilly169@aol.com>
To: caribbean@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due recognition
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

You're not nuts, Chris, but he's probably not violating your copyright because he hasn't taken your actual words (although ?that may be a ?close question) and unless he's an academic and subject to a code barring plagiarism, there may not be much you can
do. I've run into my ( far less detailed and sophisticated) research on the LDS site, for instance, and I sure didn't put it there. ?Nor did I do anything except kick myself for sharing it.
?He ought to at least acknowledge you as a 'source' though.


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Chris Codrington <cmcod@optimum.net> Date: 7/11/17  7:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Subject: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due recognition
Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.



I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy..?



There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called? "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.



https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/



???????? I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc



Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and? got busy at work so that was the end of it.



Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:





Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir.? You are co opting my work and research.



The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves? It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site? seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support? that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++end panygyric!



So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..



Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

?????????????????????????? Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod



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