In response to mReilly, Cheryl Quinn, and Ernest
Thank you for your supportive feedback. My natural response was
to swallow hard and not raise any hell! Anyway, yeah I felt it
right to say something this time. I appreciate your opinions
very much, thank you.
A friend pointed out that if anything nasty happened in
response, the one good thing of having my Carib-L
correspondences of the past 17 years splashed all over the net
is that time stamps are on everything and in "source" the
original stamps show up no matter what. That serves as a body of
proof quite nicely.
Incidentally this hoohah did not pertain so much to my gedcoms
or tree work as to story lines and analysis of how these people
operated who they knew, and my attempts to do a reappraisal of
the material printed and disseminated over the past about the
family at large. Though Ernest I also has someone take my
gedcoms and deposit them in all sorts of places when they
were/are still far from ready for prime time!
Some of the people involved feature often in general Carib
history and it is amazing how bad some of that history is! Half
the websites providing information on those Governors (for
instance) routinely recite sources which are wrong. Two recent
books that deal with them in depth (along with many others)
repeat these errors. Some of this is due to a long failure of
historians to recognize family history as a usefull element in
their own work.. Family and commercial nets were pervasive in
the past and far more influential than now. How do you know that
a William is the William son of William when there's so many
Williams in St. John? (hee hee)
But I think in fairness a lot of the writing is varnish for
tourism more than genuine record keeping and it gets mixed up
with the serious stuff because historians in the past tended to
be quite dismissive of family history as pertinent to their "science"....Frankly it's all gumbo in the information stream.
After all my reason for starting all this is that after a
childhood of listening to these marvelous stories by the
fireside, I looked over the paperwork while cleaning up my
parents possessions and said to myself "this doesn't sound
right" hell it was wonky! Since then it's been my pleasure to
learn how to learn and how to research the lives of people and
in so doing like many of you I was lucky enough to answer a few
private questions as well.
In my mind I am lucky to have some sort of trail to follow when
so many have so much less to guide them... but what actually has
made it interesting are the unknowns and the regular folk along
the way.
-----Original Message-----
From: CARIBBEAN
[mailto:caribbean-bounces+cmcod=
optimum.net@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Ernest Wiltshire
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To:
caribbean@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due
recognition
Bravo Chris: you have done the right thing: I applaud you for
speaking out publicly and am behind you one hundred percent.
I have had two such nasty & experiences with relatives, close
and far, who have got hold of my research material.
In one case I foolishly shared a GEDCOM family file (something I
have since then ceased to do) and posted the whole thing online
as his own work!
In another case, a close relative surreptitiously gained access
to the research I was doing with another cousin, & submitted
it in its entirety to the LDS in Salt Lake City as his own work:
it was an early working file, riddled with uncorrected errors,
and I have never been able to have it removed from the internet.
He got quite a blast from me I can tell you.
But I learnt my lesson: I have never had any more dealings with
either of them and I am very careful about what I share and with
whom.
Fortunately, there are many reputable researchers and authors
who I have assisted in their work, and without exception they
have not only acknowledged my contributions, but have thanked me
in the forewords, footnotes or bibliographies; some of the
academics have even been so kind as to send me offprints of
their papers from academic journals, or complimentary copies of
their books.
C.A. (Cheryl?) Quinn is absolutely correct in stating so
eleoquently:
/"Plagiarism is more than just using another's written words
without attribution. It's also presenting another's ideas as
one's own original thoughts".
/Unfortunately, along with the internet has come the widespread
attitude that is causing so much hardship for writers, artists,
performers, photographers (I am one): those who see nothing
wrong with stealing others' work/, /because theft is what it
really is.
So once again Chris, Bravo!
Ernest/
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_On 2017-07-11 8:23 PM, Chris Codrington wrote:
extracts
Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you
well and sorry this is long. I have had an otherwise uneventful
week and a few hours ago blundered into what is likely to become
a new and unpleasant experience in my long apprenticehip in
History and Genealogy..
....
Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had
ventured into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons
in the America, comparative study of existing Gen in the
Americas) and obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled
into the internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my
articles on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.
Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and
reading his analysis of somethings with great interest and then
shift to all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin
reading it in detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600
on and is touching on all my pet projects and theorys including
the topics of various articles I wrote and somethings that
really are important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its
basically lifted from work and some of these theories are just
NOT common topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did
not exist anywhere written down.
So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:
Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are
presenting on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and
the comments on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica
Codringtons is gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I
see not one iota of new information which cannot be shown to
have been written in various forms in correspondence or
websites, genealogy boards etc etc by me prior to
2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or as would be customary in
fair use of another's work. It is plagiarism pure and simple.
I'm not in the habit of tackling people for this kind of thing
but you are going way too far sir. You are co opting my work
and research.
.....
I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared ...
Christopher I think you owe me acknowledgement on the research
and material you so glibly published in your own name. Be that
as it may I owed it to myself to speak up about it you went too
far.
Christopher M Codrington
7/11/2017
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