• How many blacks died during Apartheid ?

    From censorbugbear@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Etienne Marais on Tue Mar 27 20:07:25 2018
    On Tuesday, July 19, 2011 at 2:57:53 PM UTC+2, Etienne Marais wrote:
    Old article by black journalist (2001)
    =======================

    How many blacks died under Apartheid?

    An old article from 2001, written by a black journalist. He mentions
    some of the statistics of deaths during the Apartheid years and also thereafter.

    By Vusile Tshabalala, journalist

    August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African
    South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British
    colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared
    to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us --
    all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in
    homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial
    segregation system.

    During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also
    had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.

    Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed
    us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when
    compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the
    decades prior to the official policy of apartheid,(which was started
    in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was
    only 38 years.

    However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to
    1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par
    with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death
    rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest
    of the African continent's.

    And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased
    by 50% percent.(source: "a crime against humanity: analysing
    repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).

    Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:
    Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.
    According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political
    violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died
    during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book
    lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

    This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

    Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to
    Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for
    territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to
    July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths
    during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans
    killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on
    Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.

    The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the
    Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these
    figures.

    The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

    And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of
    deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against
    blacks, but mainly due to "black-on-black necklace murders", tribal
    conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC's military
    wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.

    After apartheid:
    The present Aids-HIV epidemic -- against which the Mbeki-regime
    undertakes no action and still is publicly failing to properly
    acknowledge -- the World Health Organisation estimates that more than 6-million African South Africans will be dead within the forthcoming
    decade. And the Mbeki-led ANC regime, which could have undertaken a
    huge prevention campaign such as Uganda's a long time ago, has done
    nothing to stave off this terrible death rate.

    SA hospitals "becoming places of death"

    In November last year it was being reported in The Star that South
    African hospitals are becoming places for dying -- instead of healing.
    In June this year, it was reported that our cemeteries were filling up
    so rapidly that upright funerals were being contemplated to save
    space. Still, Aids is not being spoken about at our funerals, and the
    silence and utterly unscientific public statements about HIV-Aids from Mbeki's continue unabated while our people are dying.

    Democratic Alliance spokesman Jack Bloom warned late last year that
    the 20% rise in deaths over the past four years among patients treated
    at Johannesburg Hospital could only be blamed on the high crime rate
    and the very serious decline in patient care. Why is our patient care
    so poor now, and our crime rate so high? The answer is simple: our
    public funds are being looted by the ANC hierarchy. And the police
    seem helpless to stop it.

    Tuberculosis funds looted:
    On July 10, 2001, the SA health department announced that it was
    going to stop R6,6-million in annual funding to the SA National
    Tuberculosis Association because of the ongoing looting of its funds
    and the lavish lifestyles of its (African) executives, who award
    themselves R400,000 annual salaries and spend R5000 a month on
    cellphone calls alone... while millions of South African TB patients
    go untreated and are wasting away of a deadly, but curable disease.

    During apartheid, please note that the SANTA executives were seen to
    be extremely frugal with the governments' funding -- that many
    thousands of patients were cured annually, and that many doctors and
    nurses even VOLUNTEERED their services free of charge.

    The question is this: "why is this man still CEO of SANTA? Why has he
    not been fired on the spot?"

    Violent deaths from 1994 to 2000:
    And the SA Police reports this month -- access their website's
    statistics at http://www.saps.org.za -- that a total of 174,220 people
    died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the
    year 2000.

    So my question is this: "did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as
    are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax
    funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?" (edit: now
    Jacob Zuma regime)

    http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-many-blacks-died-under-apartheid.html

    I never wrote any articles that could not be verified with very sound sources. Bob Dubery. You are maligning my journalistic integrity. Actually if you check the old Rand Daily Mail records you will find Vusile Tshabalala there. He was a student-
    journalist at SAAN and still studying at Wits. He did a lot of research for this article. Max Coleman's research also was impeccable.

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  • From ldvaux7@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 14 00:18:44 2018
    What a heap of apologist bollocks

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  • From lmaojuuj@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Etienne Marais on Mon Aug 13 17:02:14 2018
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:57:53 UTC+12, Etienne Marais wrote:
    Old article by black journalist (2001)
    =======================

    How many blacks died under Apartheid?

    An old article from 2001, written by a black journalist. He mentions
    some of the statistics of deaths during the Apartheid years and also thereafter.

    By Vusile Tshabalala, journalist

    August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African
    South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British
    colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared
    to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us --
    all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in
    homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial
    segregation system.

    During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also
    had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.

    Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed
    us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when
    compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the
    decades prior to the official policy of apartheid,(which was started
    in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was
    only 38 years.

    However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to
    1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par
    with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death
    rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest
    of the African continent's.

    And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased
    by 50% percent.(source: "a crime against humanity: analysing
    repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).

    Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:
    Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.
    According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political
    violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died
    during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book
    lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

    This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

    Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to
    Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for
    territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to
    July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths
    during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans
    killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on
    Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.

    The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the
    Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these
    figures.

    The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

    And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of
    deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against
    blacks, but mainly due to "black-on-black necklace murders", tribal
    conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC's military
    wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.

    After apartheid:
    The present Aids-HIV epidemic -- against which the Mbeki-regime
    undertakes no action and still is publicly failing to properly
    acknowledge -- the World Health Organisation estimates that more than 6-million African South Africans will be dead within the forthcoming
    decade. And the Mbeki-led ANC regime, which could have undertaken a
    huge prevention campaign such as Uganda's a long time ago, has done
    nothing to stave off this terrible death rate.

    SA hospitals "becoming places of death"

    In November last year it was being reported in The Star that South
    African hospitals are becoming places for dying -- instead of healing.
    In June this year, it was reported that our cemeteries were filling up
    so rapidly that upright funerals were being contemplated to save
    space. Still, Aids is not being spoken about at our funerals, and the
    silence and utterly unscientific public statements about HIV-Aids from Mbeki's continue unabated while our people are dying.

    Democratic Alliance spokesman Jack Bloom warned late last year that
    the 20% rise in deaths over the past four years among patients treated
    at Johannesburg Hospital could only be blamed on the high crime rate
    and the very serious decline in patient care. Why is our patient care
    so poor now, and our crime rate so high? The answer is simple: our
    public funds are being looted by the ANC hierarchy. And the police
    seem helpless to stop it.

    Tuberculosis funds looted:
    On July 10, 2001, the SA health department announced that it was
    going to stop R6,6-million in annual funding to the SA National
    Tuberculosis Association because of the ongoing looting of its funds
    and the lavish lifestyles of its (African) executives, who award
    themselves R400,000 annual salaries and spend R5000 a month on
    cellphone calls alone... while millions of South African TB patients
    go untreated and are wasting away of a deadly, but curable disease.

    During apartheid, please note that the SANTA executives were seen to
    be extremely frugal with the governments' funding -- that many
    thousands of patients were cured annually, and that many doctors and
    nurses even VOLUNTEERED their services free of charge.

    The question is this: "why is this man still CEO of SANTA? Why has he
    not been fired on the spot?"

    Violent deaths from 1994 to 2000:
    And the SA Police reports this month -- access their website's
    statistics at http://www.saps.org.za -- that a total of 174,220 people
    died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the
    year 2000.

    So my question is this: "did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as
    are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax
    funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?" (edit: now
    Jacob Zuma regime)

    http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-many-blacks-died-under-apartheid.html

    Poop lol x3 owo uwu 8=D

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  • From Wendy Zitzman@21:1/5 to Etienne Marais on Sun Aug 23 09:15:41 2020
    Hi Etienne,

    Hoping you still have this email address. At the risk of restarting a drama 9 years on, this was the only contact I could find for you.

    Could you please reach out - I am looking for South African partners, of all cultures to collaborate on a project.
    I would appreciate it, if you have a way to reach Vusile Tshabalala if you could find out if he would be interested in a conversation.

    Kind regards
    Wendy Zitzman

    On Tuesday, July 19, 2011 at 2:57:53 PM UTC+2, Etienne Marais wrote:
    Old article by black journalist (2001)
    =======================
    How many blacks died under Apartheid?
    An old article from 2001, written by a black journalist. He mentions
    some of the statistics of deaths during the Apartheid years and also thereafter.
    By Vusile Tshabalala, journalist
    August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African
    South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British
    colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared
    to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us --
    all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in
    homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial
    segregation system.
    During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also
    had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.
    Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed
    us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when
    compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the
    decades prior to the official policy of apartheid,(which was started
    in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was
    only 38 years.
    However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to
    1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par
    with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death
    rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest
    of the African continent's.
    And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased
    by 50% percent.(source: "a crime against humanity: analysing
    repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).
    Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:
    Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.
    According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political
    violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died
    during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book
    lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.
    This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.
    Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to
    Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for
    territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to
    July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths
    during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans
    killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on
    Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.
    The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the
    Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these
    figures.
    The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.
    And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of
    deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against
    blacks, but mainly due to "black-on-black necklace murders", tribal
    conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC's military
    wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.
    After apartheid:
    The present Aids-HIV epidemic -- against which the Mbeki-regime
    undertakes no action and still is publicly failing to properly
    acknowledge -- the World Health Organisation estimates that more than 6-million African South Africans will be dead within the forthcoming
    decade. And the Mbeki-led ANC regime, which could have undertaken a
    huge prevention campaign such as Uganda's a long time ago, has done
    nothing to stave off this terrible death rate.
    SA hospitals "becoming places of death"
    In November last year it was being reported in The Star that South
    African hospitals are becoming places for dying -- instead of healing.
    In June this year, it was reported that our cemeteries were filling up
    so rapidly that upright funerals were being contemplated to save
    space. Still, Aids is not being spoken about at our funerals, and the
    silence and utterly unscientific public statements about HIV-Aids from Mbeki's continue unabated while our people are dying.
    Democratic Alliance spokesman Jack Bloom warned late last year that
    the 20% rise in deaths over the past four years among patients treated
    at Johannesburg Hospital could only be blamed on the high crime rate
    and the very serious decline in patient care. Why is our patient care
    so poor now, and our crime rate so high? The answer is simple: our
    public funds are being looted by the ANC hierarchy. And the police
    seem helpless to stop it.
    Tuberculosis funds looted:
    On July 10, 2001, the SA health department announced that it was
    going to stop R6,6-million in annual funding to the SA National
    Tuberculosis Association because of the ongoing looting of its funds
    and the lavish lifestyles of its (African) executives, who award
    themselves R400,000 annual salaries and spend R5000 a month on
    cellphone calls alone... while millions of South African TB patients
    go untreated and are wasting away of a deadly, but curable disease.
    During apartheid, please note that the SANTA executives were seen to
    be extremely frugal with the governments' funding -- that many
    thousands of patients were cured annually, and that many doctors and
    nurses even VOLUNTEERED their services free of charge.
    The question is this: "why is this man still CEO of SANTA? Why has he
    not been fired on the spot?"
    Violent deaths from 1994 to 2000:
    And the SA Police reports this month -- access their website's
    statistics at http://www.saps.org.za -- that a total of 174,220 people
    died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the
    year 2000.
    So my question is this: "did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as
    are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax
    funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?" (edit: now
    Jacob Zuma regime) http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-many-blacks-died-under-apartheid.html

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  • From Tom Horncastle@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 24 15:45:45 2022
    just answer the godamn question

    How many people died in the Apartheid?

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