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On 11/15/2016 11:36 PM, lo yeeOn wrote:

On Sunday's "60 Minutes", Trump said: "You know, we've been fighting
this war for 15 years. ... We've spent $6 trillion in the Middle
East, $6 trillion - we could have rebuilt our country twice. And you
look at our roads and our bridges and our tunnels ... and our
airports are ... obsolete." [as transcribed by Patrick Buchanan]

Hopefully, Trump is sufficiently in charge of his administration that
people like Bolton and Woolsey will not have a chance to steer this
country back to the rocky road of hegemony of the past 15-16 years.

What is scary about Bolton is that he is Jewish and totally pro Israel.
Which means he believes that America's military is Israels military.
It was alleged that he also held dual citizenship. I do not believe and Political official in America should hold any citizenship other then
American. Also ..Like the Swiss and Germans..You must renounce all other citizenship's to attain theirs. That should be the same here.
Germany raided 160 Muslim enclaves in Germany today. It looks like the
bad stuff is about to begin.

In fact, Rand Paul, another prominent Republican, has also promised to
resist a Bolton appointment, using his position in the US Senate.

That is one area in which Mr. Paul, one of Mr. Trump's rivals in the
race for the Republican nomination, said he agreed with the
president-elect.

"I can't imagine supporting anyone who hasn't learned the lesson of
the last 20 years," Mr. Paul said of Mr. Bolton, who was ambassador
to the United Nations for George W. Bush during the escalation of
the war in Iraq. Mr. Paul called Mr. Bolton "unrepentant".
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html

There is clearly plenty of indication that Trump has a world view significantly different from those of the neocons. Peter Thiel's
courageous support of Trump's candidacy was largely motivated by such
a world view - one which frowns on spending our resources in "nation building", overthrowing foreign governments, and confronting Russia or
China. Clearly Thiel isn't one of those deplorables without a college
degree and, equally clearly, he isn't one of those who are angry with
the existent order in Washington because of economic reasons.

In fact, Thiel asserts that Trump wasn't "crazy" for campaigning on
the promise of redirecting our national resources back from misguided military adventures back to rebuilding our dilapidated infrastrature.

The problem is the neocons who have been driving our foreign policy
for the past 15-16 years or 20 years have not had enough. And the
people of this country aren't sufficiently aware of the danger posed
by these traitors.

Consideration of Bolton, Woolsey and others is "another
demonstration of how those who supported one of the biggest mistakes
in American foreign policy have not been - they don't seem to be
sufficiently discredited to be removed from the Washington foreign
policy dialogue," Paul Pillar said, a former high level intelligence
offical in the G W Bush administration.

Thus, the subject line of this post.

lo yeeOn

Trump could return Iraq war boosters to power
By Warren Strobel and John Walcott | WASHINGTON Mon Nov 14, 2016 | 7:27pm EST
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-iraq-idUSKBN13A01D

Despite his professed opposition to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, President-elect Donald Trump is considering several of the major
advocates of that war for top national security posts in his
administration, according to Republican officials.

Among those who could find places on Trump's team are former top State Department official John Bolton and ex-CIA Director James
Woolsey. Both men championed the Iraq invasion, which many analysts
have called one of the major U.S. foreign policy debacles of modern
times.

Also involved in transition planning for Trump's presidency is
Frederick Fleitz, a top aide to Bolton who earlier worked at the CIA
unit that validated much of the flawed intelligence on Iraq's weapons
of mass destruction programs.

Although it is impossible to predict how a Trump foreign policy might
evolve, one U.S. official who has served in Iraq said advocates of the
2003 invasion might be more inclined to commit additional U.S. forces
to the fight against Islamic State there, despite the absence of a
status of forces agreement that protects Americans from Iraqi legal
action.

Paul Pillar, the top U.S. intelligence official for the Near East from
2000 to 2005, said that because Trump had little foreign policy
experience and had given conflicting accounts of what policies he
would pursue, the Republican president-elect's senior personnel
appointments would be crucial.

"What we're seeing going on - and we should be worried about it - is a
new president who on so many foreign policy issues has been all over
the map," said Pillar, now at Georgetown University. "Thus, the senior appointments game that we go through every four years has more
consequences than it usually does."

Bolton, who is under consideration as Trump's secretary of state, the officials said, and Woolsey, reported to be in the running for
U.S. director of national intelligence, did not respond to requests
for comment. The Trump transition team also did not immediately
respond when asked for comment.Even if Bolton is nominated, Senate confirmation is not a foregone conclusion. In 2005, Senate Democrats -
with the support of a single Republican

NEOCONSERVATIVE REVIVAL?

Fleitz, in a brief phone conversation, confirmed he was involved in
Trump's transition effort, but declined further comment.

A return to power for the three officials would represent a change of
fortune for them and other "neoconservatives" who provided the
intellectual backing for the invasion of Iraq. During the presidential campaign, some leading neoconservatives and Republican foreign policy veterans opposed Trump, saying he was unfit to lead.

The group saw its clout wane in Bush's second term, as U.S. troops in
Iraq found themselves mired in a sectarian civil war, and has watched
from the sidelines during Democratic President Barack Obama's eight
years in power.

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, has said he opposed the invasion
of Iraq, in which more than 4,000 U.S. troops and hundreds of
thousands of Iraqis died, and which led to the creation of al Qaeda in
Iraq, the forerunner to the violent, ultra-hardline Islamic State
group.

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and ties
to al Qaeda, used to justify the invasion, proved to be nonexistent.

"As you know, for years I've been saying: 'Don't go into Iraq.' They
went into Iraq. They destabilized the Middle East. It was a big
mistake," Trump said in August 2015 on NBC's "Meet the Press" program.

His account that he always opposed the war was challenged during the
campaign by Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who cited a 2002
interview Trump gave to radio host Howard Stern in which he replied:
"Yeah I guess so" when asked if he supported invading Iraq.

Consideration of Bolton, Woolsey and others is "another demonstration
of how those who supported one of the biggest mistakes in American
foreign policy have not been - they don't seem to be sufficiently
discredited to be removed from the Washington foreign policy
dialogue," Pillar said.

(Additional reporting by Mark Hosenball, Arshad Mohammed and Jonathan
Landay; Editing by Yara Bayoumy and Peter Cooney)

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