• Trump's consideration of Bolton, Woolsey...is another demonstration

    From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to lo yeeOn on Tue Nov 15 23:45:46 2016
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    On 11/15/2016 11:36 PM, lo yeeOn wrote:
    On Sunday's "60 Minutes", Trump said: "You know, we've been fighting
    this war for 15 years. ... We've spent $6 trillion in the Middle
    East, $6 trillion - we could have rebuilt our country twice. And you
    look at our roads and our bridges and our tunnels ... and our
    airports are ... obsolete." [as transcribed by Patrick Buchanan]

    Hopefully, Trump is sufficiently in charge of his administration that
    people like Bolton and Woolsey will not have a chance to steer this
    country back to the rocky road of hegemony of the past 15-16 years.

    What is scary about Bolton is that he is Jewish and totally pro Israel.
    Which means he believes that America's military is Israels military.
    It was alleged that he also held dual citizenship. I do not believe and Political official in America should hold any citizenship other then
    American. Also ..Like the Swiss and Germans..You must renounce all other citizenship's to attain theirs. That should be the same here.
    Germany raided 160 Muslim enclaves in Germany today. It looks like the
    bad stuff is about to begin.

    In fact, Rand Paul, another prominent Republican, has also promised to
    resist a Bolton appointment, using his position in the US Senate.

    That is one area in which Mr. Paul, one of Mr. Trump's rivals in the
    race for the Republican nomination, said he agreed with the

    "I can't imagine supporting anyone who hasn't learned the lesson of
    the last 20 years," Mr. Paul said of Mr. Bolton, who was ambassador
    to the United Nations for George W. Bush during the escalation of
    the war in Iraq. Mr. Paul called Mr. Bolton "unrepentant".

    There is clearly plenty of indication that Trump has a world view significantly different from those of the neocons. Peter Thiel's
    courageous support of Trump's candidacy was largely motivated by such
    a world view - one which frowns on spending our resources in "nation building", overthrowing foreign governments, and confronting Russia or
    China. Clearly Thiel isn't one of those deplorables without a college
    degree and, equally clearly, he isn't one of those who are angry with
    the existent order in Washington because of economic reasons.

    In fact, Thiel asserts that Trump wasn't "crazy" for campaigning on
    the promise of redirecting our national resources back from misguided military adventures back to rebuilding our dilapidated infrastrature.

    The problem is the neocons who have been driving our foreign policy
    for the past 15-16 years or 20 years have not had enough. And the
    people of this country aren't sufficiently aware of the danger posed
    by these traitors.

    Consideration of Bolton, Woolsey and others is "another
    demonstration of how those who supported one of the biggest mistakes
    in American foreign policy have not been - they don't seem to be
    sufficiently discredited to be removed from the Washington foreign
    policy dialogue," Paul Pillar said, a former high level intelligence
    offical in the G W Bush administration.

    Thus, the subject line of this post.

    lo yeeOn

    Trump could return Iraq war boosters to power
    By Warren Strobel and John Walcott | WASHINGTON Mon Nov 14, 2016 | 7:27pm EST

    Despite his professed opposition to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, President-elect Donald Trump is considering several of the major
    advocates of that war for top national security posts in his
    administration, according to Republican officials.

    Among those who could find places on Trump's team are former top State Department official John Bolton and ex-CIA Director James
    Woolsey. Both men championed the Iraq invasion, which many analysts
    have called one of the major U.S. foreign policy debacles of modern

    Also involved in transition planning for Trump's presidency is
    Frederick Fleitz, a top aide to Bolton who earlier worked at the CIA
    unit that validated much of the flawed intelligence on Iraq's weapons
    of mass destruction programs.

    Although it is impossible to predict how a Trump foreign policy might
    evolve, one U.S. official who has served in Iraq said advocates of the
    2003 invasion might be more inclined to commit additional U.S. forces
    to the fight against Islamic State there, despite the absence of a
    status of forces agreement that protects Americans from Iraqi legal

    Paul Pillar, the top U.S. intelligence official for the Near East from
    2000 to 2005, said that because Trump had little foreign policy
    experience and had given conflicting accounts of what policies he
    would pursue, the Republican president-elect's senior personnel
    appointments would be crucial.

    "What we're seeing going on - and we should be worried about it - is a
    new president who on so many foreign policy issues has been all over
    the map," said Pillar, now at Georgetown University. "Thus, the senior appointments game that we go through every four years has more
    consequences than it usually does."

    Bolton, who is under consideration as Trump's secretary of state, the officials said, and Woolsey, reported to be in the running for
    U.S. director of national intelligence, did not respond to requests
    for comment. The Trump transition team also did not immediately
    respond when asked for comment.Even if Bolton is nominated, Senate confirmation is not a foregone conclusion. In 2005, Senate Democrats -
    with the support of a single Republican


    Fleitz, in a brief phone conversation, confirmed he was involved in
    Trump's transition effort, but declined further comment.

    A return to power for the three officials would represent a change of
    fortune for them and other "neoconservatives" who provided the
    intellectual backing for the invasion of Iraq. During the presidential campaign, some leading neoconservatives and Republican foreign policy veterans opposed Trump, saying he was unfit to lead.

    The group saw its clout wane in Bush's second term, as U.S. troops in
    Iraq found themselves mired in a sectarian civil war, and has watched
    from the sidelines during Democratic President Barack Obama's eight
    years in power.

    Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, has said he opposed the invasion
    of Iraq, in which more than 4,000 U.S. troops and hundreds of
    thousands of Iraqis died, and which led to the creation of al Qaeda in
    Iraq, the forerunner to the violent, ultra-hardline Islamic State

    Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and ties
    to al Qaeda, used to justify the invasion, proved to be nonexistent.

    "As you know, for years I've been saying: 'Don't go into Iraq.' They
    went into Iraq. They destabilized the Middle East. It was a big
    mistake," Trump said in August 2015 on NBC's "Meet the Press" program.

    His account that he always opposed the war was challenged during the
    campaign by Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who cited a 2002
    interview Trump gave to radio host Howard Stern in which he replied:
    "Yeah I guess so" when asked if he supported invading Iraq.

    Consideration of Bolton, Woolsey and others is "another demonstration
    of how those who supported one of the biggest mistakes in American
    foreign policy have not been - they don't seem to be sufficiently
    discredited to be removed from the Washington foreign policy
    dialogue," Pillar said.

    (Additional reporting by Mark Hosenball, Arshad Mohammed and Jonathan
    Landay; Editing by Yara Bayoumy and Peter Cooney)

    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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