• Re: I just got back from Ukraine...

    From Cameo@21:1/5 to Basia on Sun Jan 21 12:25:39 2024
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and Ukraine.
    To me there is not much difference between the Russians and Ukrainians.
    Just think of the Wolhynia massacres. It would also be worthwhile to
    discover how many of the Soviet butchers in Katyn were really
    Ukrainians. Not a few, I guess.

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Basia on Mon Jan 22 09:57:28 2024
    On 1/22/2024 12:01 AM, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:42:29 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:25:39 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and Ukraine.
    Historically, there has never been one.
    Majority of Polish people I knew in my
    lifetime were either indifferent or only
    slightly reserved.

    Nowadays the war elicits a lot of sympathy.

    I think there is a lot of Nazi racial propaganda
    floating around Eastern Europe, ...bias towards
    brown people and a lot of Jewish negativity
    and outright hatred towards Arabs and Islam.
    These negative attitudes have affected
    many Polish people in Poland recently.
    Many have become prejudiced towards
    brown people. Do you recall the negativity
    towards a handful of Syrian refugees seeking
    asylum in Poland?

    In a purely compensatory fashion many
    hateful people in Poland have now embraced
    Ukrainians, showing much love particularly
    towards refugees fleeing Ukraine.

    I see the whole situation as a mixture of
    empathy and need for redemption of
    ones own negativity.

    I wonder what attitude towards Ukrainians
    is Petra Laslo displaying these days. She's
    probably exeedingly sympathetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQC0iHBrKw

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    She totally disappeared from the public.

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Basia on Mon Jan 22 10:04:39 2024
    On 1/21/2024 10:42 PM, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:25:39 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and Ukraine.

    Historically, there has never been one.
    Majority of Polish people I knew in my
    lifetime were either indifferent or only
    slightly reserved.

    Nowadays the war elicits a lot of sympathy.

    I think there is a lot of Nazi racial propaganda
    floating around Eastern Europe, ...bias towards
    brown people and a lot of Jewish negativity
    and outright hatred towards Arabs and Islam.
    These negative attitudes have affected
    many Polish people in Poland recently.
    Many have become prejudiced towards
    brown people. Do you recall the negativity
    towards a handful of Syrian refugees seeking
    asylum in Poland?

    In a purely compensatory fashion many
    hateful people in Poland have now embraced
    Ukrainians, showing much love particularly
    towards refugees fleeing Ukraine.

    Hungary also takes in thousands of Ukrainian refuges and provides for
    them quite well. On the other hand I see a lot of those refugees
    arriving in expensive German cars, and from their spending seem to have
    a lot of money. So one has to wonder ...

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Basia on Mon Jan 22 16:45:20 2024
    On 1/22/2024 4:29 PM, Basia wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:57:29 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/22/2024 12:01 AM, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:42:29 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:25:39 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and Ukraine. >>>> Historically, there has never been one.
    Majority of Polish people I knew in my
    lifetime were either indifferent or only
    slightly reserved.

    Nowadays the war elicits a lot of sympathy.

    I think there is a lot of Nazi racial propaganda
    floating around Eastern Europe, ...bias towards
    brown people and a lot of Jewish negativity
    and outright hatred towards Arabs and Islam.
    These negative attitudes have affected
    many Polish people in Poland recently.
    Many have become prejudiced towards
    brown people. Do you recall the negativity
    towards a handful of Syrian refugees seeking
    asylum in Poland?

    In a purely compensatory fashion many
    hateful people in Poland have now embraced
    Ukrainians, showing much love particularly
    towards refugees fleeing Ukraine.

    I see the whole situation as a mixture of
    empathy and need for redemption of
    ones own negativity.

    I wonder what attitude towards Ukrainians
    is Petra Laslo displaying these days. She's
    probably exeedingly sympathetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQC0iHBrKw

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    She totally disappeared from the public.

    She has disgraced herself by choosing
    to attack and trip a child.

    There are primitive people who like predators
    follow simple logic and choose the weakest link
    to attack and prey upon. A man attacking children
    would be disgusting but a woman and a mother
    herself is most abhorent.

    As I recall from her trial, the picture wasn't as clear cut as the
    mainstream press portrayed. Apparently the angle of the video shot was
    not showing the kick correctly, and the clip shown was also cut too
    short to make her look worse than she really was. But I really did not
    follow the trial to the end, so take this for whatever it's worth. I
    have no stake in the outcome either way.

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Basia on Mon Jan 22 17:58:16 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 08:32:55 -0800 (PST), Basia wrote:

    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-8, Russet Bulba wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:29:39 AM UTC-4, Basia wrote:
    On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:57:29 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/22/2024 12:01 AM, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:42:29 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:25:39 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and
    Ukraine.
    Historically, there has never been one.
    Majority of Polish people I knew in my lifetime were either
    indifferent or only slightly reserved.

    Nowadays the war elicits a lot of sympathy.

    I think there is a lot of Nazi racial propaganda floating around
    Eastern Europe, ...bias towards brown people and a lot of Jewish
    negativity and outright hatred towards Arabs and Islam.
    These negative attitudes have affected many Polish people in
    Poland recently.
    Many have become prejudiced towards brown people. Do you recall
    the negativity towards a handful of Syrian refugees seeking
    asylum in Poland?

    In a purely compensatory fashion many hateful people in Poland
    have now embraced Ukrainians, showing much love particularly
    towards refugees fleeing Ukraine.

    I see the whole situation as a mixture of empathy and need for
    redemption of ones own negativity.

    I wonder what attitude towards Ukrainians is Petra Laslo
    displaying these days. She's probably exeedingly sympathetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQC0iHBrKw

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    She totally disappeared from the public.
    She has disgraced herself by choosing to attack and trip a child.

    There are primitive people who like predators follow simple logic and
    choose the weakest link to attack and prey upon. A man attacking
    children would be disgusting but a woman and a mother herself is most
    abhorent.

    Modern hate towards brown migrants in Poland stems from two sources.
    First,
    remnants of Nazi or Germanic racial propaganda that still circulate
    in the region (though not Germanic Poles just like Ukrainians
    identify as White people)
    and also from Jewish prejudice directed at Muslims (there are plenty
    of ethnically Jewish people in Poland).

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    There are primitive people motivated by ethnic hate everywhere, Mr
    Basia. No need to go overseas to see them and their acts. They are
    under your own nose and by far are more brutal. But you are not
    inclined to notice them:

    We are discussing Eastern Europe, Poland and Ukraine. It is you that
    went overseas to distract and show an irrelevant example.

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    what percentage of Americans is of Eastern Europe origin?

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Basia on Mon Jan 22 18:02:36 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 15:12:05 -0800 (PST), Basia wrote:

    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:01:01 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:42:29 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:25:39 AM UTC-8, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and
    Ukraine.
    Historically, there has never been one.
    Majority of Polish people I knew in my lifetime were either
    indifferent or only slightly reserved.

    Nowadays the war elicits a lot of sympathy.

    I think there is a lot of Nazi racial propaganda floating around
    Eastern Europe, ...bias towards brown people and a lot of Jewish
    negativity and outright hatred towards Arabs and Islam.
    These negative attitudes have affected many Polish people in Poland
    recently.
    Many have become prejudiced towards brown people. Do you recall the
    negativity towards a handful of Syrian refugees seeking asylum in
    Poland?

    In a purely compensatory fashion many hateful people in Poland have
    now embraced Ukrainians, showing much love particularly towards
    refugees fleeing Ukraine.

    I see the whole situation as a mixture of empathy and need for
    redemption of ones own negativity.

    I wonder what attitude towards Ukrainians is Petra Laslo displaying
    these days. She's probably exeedingly sympathetic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQC0iHBrKw

    There are also plenty of hypocrites among the Polish elites. I've
    never heard Archbishop Jedraszewski call the Ukrainian Banderites a
    plague like he did the LGBT people in Poland.

    Basia (Ona/Jej)

    yoy are right! he forgets its two different plagues

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Russet Bulba on Mon Jan 22 18:17:23 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:17:24 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba wrote:

    On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 7:25:39 AM UTC-4, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/21/2024 12:26 AM, Basia wrote:
    https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735

    Yet, I never understood the big love affair between Poland and Ukraine.
    To me there is not much difference between the Russians and Ukrainians.
    Just think of the Wolhynia massacres. It would also be worthwhile to
    discover how many of the Soviet butchers in Katyn were really
    Ukrainians. Not a few, I guess.

    The Russian Empire hated by both these days. Right now we are the
    brothers in arms united against it by our common hate. Not necessary
    directed against its common people but against their system of
    governance. And the racial resemblance that entice more empathy towards
    alike us. Why trying pretending this is not a factor? Its easier to understand the humanity through biological lenses and looking at it as another species of animals.

    The Ukrainian resentment towards us can be justifiably stronger than
    the vice versa. They have been subject to Polish exploitation and
    oppression for centuries. It was social, economical, religious and
    political. Their response has been occasional bloody uprisings vividly remembered by us while almost totally ignoring the formet part of the equation.


    Exploatacji Ukraincow przez Polakow i mongolska brutalnosc Ukraincow
    sa dla ciebie rownowazne ?

    Bulba, po raz kolejny pieprzysz glupoty!

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Piotr on Tue Jan 23 22:33:42 2024
    On 1/23/2024 12:09 AM, Piotr wrote:
    ... Romania and Hungary. And they refused the Allied bombers flying from Italy over the occupied Europe, and dropping the
    desperately needed arms and ammunition for the Uprising - the right to land on the nearby Russian airfields. (They allowed it
    only ONCE, at the very end, when the uprising was dying and most of the dropped supplies were either destroyed or intercepted
    by the Germans). Thus the Russians gave the Nazi Germans time to raze Warsaw to the ground and to kill ~ 200,000 Poles.

    Without getting into long polemics with you about all the points you
    mentioned here, let me just address one of them:

    "... Romania and Hungary. And they refused the Allied bombers flying
    from Italy over the occupied Europe, and dropping the
    desperately needed arms and ammunition for the Uprising - the right to
    land on the nearby Russian airfields. (They allowed it
    only ONCE, at the very end, when the uprising was dying and most of the dropped supplies were either destroyed or intercepted
    by the Germans). Thus the Russians gave the Nazi Germans time to raze
    Warsaw to the ground and to kill ~ 200,000 Poles."


    You don't know what you are talking about. During the 1944 Warsaw
    Uprising Hungary was occupied by German troops and thus were not in
    position to allow Allied overflights. And as to Hungarian help to the
    uprising is quite well documented by now. One of them summarizes it in
    the following link:

    https://visegradpost.com/en/2019/09/03/hungarians-and-the-warsaw-uprising/

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Piotr on Wed Jan 24 15:09:08 2024
    On 1/24/2024 12:44 AM, Piotr wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:03:42 PM UTC-3:30, Cameo wrote:
    On 1/23/2024 12:09 AM, Piotr wrote:


    Without getting into long polemics with you about all the points you mentioned here, let me just address one of them:

    -it was Russia, not Ukraine, who first encouraged through their radio and dropped leaflets the Poles to take
    arms against the retreating Germans, and when they did on Aug.1, 1944 in Warsaw, starting the largest uprising of WWII
    - Russians left them cold - stopped their offensive in Poland (even though it was the shortest way to Berlin) and diverted
    the troops toward ... Romania and Hungary. And they refused the Allied bombers flying from Italy over the occupied
    Europe, and dropping the desperately needed arms and ammunition for the Uprising - the right to land on the nearby
    Russian airfields. (They allowed it only ONCE, at the very end, when the uprising was dying and most of the dropped
    supplies were either destroyed or intercepted by the Germans). Thus the Russians gave the Nazi Germans time to raze
    Warsaw to the ground and to kill ~ 200,000 Poles.

    You don't know what you are talking about. During the 1944 Warsaw Uprising Hungary was occupied by German
    troops and thus were not in position to allow Allied overflights.

    Nobody was taking about _Hungarian_ airfields, Genius - the paragraph was about the Russian actions and Russian-controlled
    airfields, that could have helped with the delivery of the weapons to Warsaw by British, American and Polish bombers,
    and reduce greatly the Allied plane and crew losses.

    Nonsense! You specifically mentioned Hungary and Romania in that paragraph:

    "... Romania and Hungary. And they refused the Allied bombers flying
    from Italy over the occupied Europe, and dropping the
    desperately needed arms and ammunition for the Uprising - the right to
    land on the nearby Russian airfields. ..."

    You can't wiggle yourself out of your ignorance this time, Einstein.

    But hey, don't let it stop you from your patronizing: "You don't know what you are talking about".

    Arrogance walks hand in hand with ignorance.

    When it comes to arrogance, it is
    coming from you here.
    What a pathetic, classless troll you are!

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