• Re: WSJ: Nord Stream Probe Hampered by Resistance From Poland

    From andal@21:1/5 to Basia on Wed Jan 10 15:22:26 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:29:03 -0800 (PST), Basia wrote:

    The Wall Street Journal Nord Stream Probe Hampered by Resistance From
    Poland

    Investigators hope Warsaw’s new government will shed light on
    gas-pipeline attack after previous administration’s reluctance to
    disclose potentially crucial evidence

    BERLIN—Polish officials have resisted cooperating with an international probe into the sabotage of the Nord Stream natural-gas pipelines and
    failed to disclose potentially crucial evidence, according to European investigators working on the case.

    Those Polish officials have been slow to provide information and
    withheld key evidence about the alleged saboteurs’ movements on Polish soil, investigators said. They are now hoping the new government in
    Warsaw, which took office in December, will help shed light on the
    attack.

    European investigators have long believed the attack was launched from Ukraine via Poland. But they say Warsaw’s failure to fully cooperate has made it hard to establish whether the attack happened with or without
    the former Polish government’s knowledge, according to senior officials.

    Some senior European officials say they are considering approaching the office of Donald Tusk, Poland’s new prime minister, for help in investigating the biggest act of sabotage on the European continent
    since World War II.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-909270?
    width=700&size=1.4988290398126465&pixel_ratio=2

    The Nord Stream pipelines, connecting Russia to Germany underneath the
    Baltic Sea, were blown up in September 2022. This added pressure on
    Germany and others to make themselves independent from Russian fuel
    supplies.

    Any suggestion that Poland, a North Atlantic Treaty Organization member, might be concealing information about an attack on an ally could
    undermine trust in an alliance that is facing one of the biggest tests
    since its creation. For Moscow, any behavior by Poland hinting at an involvement in the sabotage may be seen as an aggressive act by NATO.

    Investigators haven’t offered evidence linking the Polish government to
    the explosions and say that even if some Polish officials were involved,
    it could have been without the knowledge of the political leadership.
    Yet they say efforts by Polish officials to hinder their investigation
    have made them increasingly suspicious of Warsaw’s role and motives.

    Most Western security officials believe that a Ukrainian crew, operating
    with or without sanction from Kyiv, was behind the sabotage. Ukraine has denied any involvement. Russia said it thought the U.S. was responsible
    for the attack, which the U.S. denied.

    Days after taking up office, Tusk fired the heads of all the
    intelligence services, including those involved in the Nord Stream
    probe. European officials hope he will retain some police executives
    they think might have been under political pressure not to cooperate but might now be inclined to do so.

    Polish prosecutors, who oversee the domestic investigation, said that
    they were cooperating with other countries but found no evidence of
    Polish involvement. The border guard and the internal security service declined to comment.

    https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/
    b083c9c1-2c52-4e4f-8be6-731c1491cd9f-NORDSTREAM-_620px.jpg

    An investigation by Germany, Denmark and Sweden has so far found that
    the pipeline was blown up by a crew of six, including deep-sea divers, traveling on a leisure yacht called Andromeda. On its voyage, Andromeda stopped in all three countries, as well as Poland, according to investigators. The boat, leased in Germany via a Polish company,
    contained traces of octagon, the same explosive that was found at the underwater blast sites, they said.

    After mining parts of the pipelines, the crew docked in Poland’s Baltic port of Kołobrzeg, where they spent a full day, according to
    investigators who tracked the boat by analyzing its navigation system
    data, the crew’s mobile-phone communications, satellite imagery and witnesses’ accounts.

    A port official suspicious about the five men and one woman, all of whom spoke a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian, alerted police. On Sept. 19, Poland’s border guard checked the identification of the crew, who
    produced European Union passports and were allowed to continue their
    trip, sailing back up north, where they laid the rest of the mines, investigators say.

    Polish authorities didn’t share this information with European investigators until March 2023—and they only did so after being
    contacted by their German counterparts. Berlin was tipped off in January about the yacht’s stay in Poland by the Dutch military intelligence service, whose information came from someone in Ukraine.

    A number of Polish agencies declined to share with European
    investigators footage of the suspects taken by CCTV cameras while the
    yacht was moored there, those investigators said. The investigators have established that the boat and its crew were exposed to security cameras throughout their stay in the port.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-909271?
    width=700&size=1.5005861664712778&pixel_ratio=2

    While prosecutors and the border guard, two of Poland’s agencies investigating the case, appeared cooperative, officials from other
    branches including the internal security agency ABW, failed to answer queries, obfuscated or gave contradictory information, European
    officials said.

    In one instance, Polish prosecutors told their European counterparts
    that no explosives were found on the Andromeda, although no forensic investigation had taken place. Yet the Polish internal security service
    told European investigators that the border guard officers who had
    checked the crew never boarded the boat, contradicting the prosecutor’s claim.

    Polish prosecutors first said the Andromeda arrived in the port of
    Kołobrzeg around 4 p.m. on Sept. 19 and then left around 12 hours later.
    But investigators later found that the boat actually moored at 9 a.m.
    after traveling overnight from Denmark.

    German investigators waited at least two months before obtaining a
    meeting with their Polish counterparts in mid-May last year, according
    to the European officials. They left the meeting with the impression
    that some Polish colleagues were unwilling or unable to cooperate.

    Polish and German police otherwise cooperate closely. Officers from both countries even have police jurisdiction on each other’s territories near the border.

    In September, Stanislaw Zaryn, a senior Polish official then involved in overseeing Poland’s security services, dismissed the findings that the Andromeda crew was behind the sabotage, saying the crew had no military training and were merely tourists “looking for fun.”

    Around the same time, Poland’s internal security service circulated with European investigators alleged intelligence that the Andromeda had links
    with Russian espionage, which they alleged was behind the attack. Some investigators said they considered this to be disinformation.

    Zaryn, who left office following the election, said in a recent
    interview that any Polish involvement was unlikely as Russia was
    plausibly behind the sabotage.

    Drew Hinshaw contributed to this article.
    Write to Bojan Pancevski at bojan.pancevski@wsj.com

    Copyright ©2024 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 87990cbe856818d5eddac44c7b1cdeb8 Appeared in the January 9, 2024, print edition as 'European Investigators Say Poland Hinders Nord Stream
    Sabotage Probe'.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-probe-faces-resistance-
    from-poland-962aa5f9

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Piotr on Wed Jan 10 22:10:34 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:32:25 -0800 (PST), Piotr wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:52:28 AM UTC-3:30, andal wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:29:03 -0800 (PST), Basia wrote:

    The Wall Street Journal Nord Stream Probe Hampered by Resistance From
    Poland

    Investigators hope Warsaw’s new government will shed light on
    gas-pipeline attack after previous administration’s reluctance to
    disclose potentially crucial evidence

    BERLIN—Polish officials have resisted cooperating with an
    international probe into the sabotage of the Nord Stream natural-gas
    pipelines and failed to disclose potentially crucial evidence,
    according to European investigators working on the case.

    Those Polish officials have been slow to provide information and
    withheld key evidence about the alleged saboteurs’ movements on
    Polish soil, investigators said. They are now hoping the new
    government in Warsaw, which took office in December, will help shed
    light on the attack.

    European investigators have long believed the attack was launched
    from Ukraine via Poland. But they say Warsaw’s failure to fully
    cooperate has made it hard to establish whether the attack happened
    with or without the former Polish government’s knowledge, according
    to senior officials.

    Some senior European officials say they are considering approaching
    the office of Donald Tusk, Poland’s new prime minister, for help in
    investigating the biggest act of sabotage on the European continent
    since World War II.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-909270?
    width=700&size=1.4988290398126465&pixel_ratio=2

    The Nord Stream pipelines, connecting Russia to Germany underneath
    the Baltic Sea, were blown up in September 2022. This added pressure
    on Germany and others to make themselves independent from Russian
    fuel supplies.

    Any suggestion that Poland, a North Atlantic Treaty Organization
    member, might be concealing information about an attack on an ally
    could undermine trust in an alliance that is facing one of the
    biggest tests since its creation. For Moscow, any behavior by Poland
    hinting at an involvement in the sabotage may be seen as an
    aggressive act by NATO.

    Investigators haven’t offered evidence linking the Polish government
    to the explosions and say that even if some Polish officials were
    involved, it could have been without the knowledge of the political
    leadership.
    Yet they say efforts by Polish officials to hinder their
    investigation have made them increasingly suspicious of Warsaw’s role
    and motives.

    Most Western security officials believe that a Ukrainian crew,
    operating with or without sanction from Kyiv, was behind the
    sabotage. Ukraine has denied any involvement. Russia said it thought
    the U.S. was responsible for the attack, which the U.S. denied.

    Days after taking up office, Tusk fired the heads of all the
    intelligence services, including those involved in the Nord Stream
    probe. European officials hope he will retain some police executives
    they think might have been under political pressure not to cooperate
    but might now be inclined to do so.

    Polish prosecutors, who oversee the domestic investigation, said that
    they were cooperating with other countries but found no evidence of
    Polish involvement. The border guard and the internal security
    service declined to comment.

    https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/
    b083c9c1-2c52-4e4f-8be6-731c1491cd9f-NORDSTREAM-_620px.jpg

    An investigation by Germany, Denmark and Sweden has so far found that
    the pipeline was blown up by a crew of six, including deep-sea
    divers, traveling on a leisure yacht called Andromeda. On its voyage,
    Andromeda stopped in all three countries, as well as Poland,
    according to investigators. The boat, leased in Germany via a Polish
    company, contained traces of octagon, the same explosive that was
    found at the underwater blast sites, they said.

    After mining parts of the pipelines, the crew docked in Poland’s
    Baltic port of Kołobrzeg, where they spent a full day, according to
    investigators who tracked the boat by analyzing its navigation system
    data, the crew’s mobile-phone communications, satellite imagery and
    witnesses’ accounts.

    A port official suspicious about the five men and one woman, all of
    whom spoke a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian, alerted police. On
    Sept. 19, Poland’s border guard checked the identification of the
    crew, who produced European Union passports and were allowed to
    continue their trip, sailing back up north, where they laid the rest
    of the mines, investigators say.

    Polish authorities didn’t share this information with European
    investigators until March 2023—and they only did so after being
    contacted by their German counterparts. Berlin was tipped off in
    January about the yacht’s stay in Poland by the Dutch military
    intelligence service, whose information came from someone in Ukraine.

    A number of Polish agencies declined to share with European
    investigators footage of the suspects taken by CCTV cameras while the
    yacht was moored there, those investigators said. The investigators
    have established that the boat and its crew were exposed to security
    cameras throughout their stay in the port.

    https://images.wsj.net/im-909271?
    width=700&size=1.5005861664712778&pixel_ratio=2

    While prosecutors and the border guard, two of Poland’s agencies
    investigating the case, appeared cooperative, officials from other
    branches including the internal security agency ABW, failed to answer
    queries, obfuscated or gave contradictory information, European
    officials said.

    In one instance, Polish prosecutors told their European counterparts
    that no explosives were found on the Andromeda, although no forensic
    investigation had taken place. Yet the Polish internal security
    service told European investigators that the border guard officers
    who had checked the crew never boarded the boat, contradicting the
    prosecutor’s claim.

    Polish prosecutors first said the Andromeda arrived in the port of
    Kołobrzeg around 4 p.m. on Sept. 19 and then left around 12 hours
    later. But investigators later found that the boat actually moored at
    9 a.m. after traveling overnight from Denmark.

    German investigators waited at least two months before obtaining a
    meeting with their Polish counterparts in mid-May last year,
    according to the European officials. They left the meeting with the
    impression that some Polish colleagues were unwilling or unable to
    cooperate.

    Polish and German police otherwise cooperate closely. Officers from
    both countries even have police jurisdiction on each other’s
    territories near the border.

    In September, Stanislaw Zaryn, a senior Polish official then involved
    in overseeing Poland’s security services, dismissed the findings that
    the Andromeda crew was behind the sabotage, saying the crew had no
    military training and were merely tourists “looking for fun.”

    Around the same time, Poland’s internal security service circulated
    with European investigators alleged intelligence that the Andromeda
    had links with Russian espionage, which they alleged was behind the
    attack. Some investigators said they considered this to be
    disinformation.

    Zaryn, who left office following the election, said in a recent
    interview that any Polish involvement was unlikely as Russia was
    plausibly behind the sabotage.

    Drew Hinshaw contributed to this article.
    Write to Bojan Pancevski at bojan.p...@wsj.com

    Copyright ©2024 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
    87990cbe856818d5eddac44c7b1cdeb8 Appeared in the January 9, 2024,
    print edition as 'European Investigators Say Poland Hinders Nord
    Stream Sabotage Probe'.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-probe-faces-resistance-
    from-poland-962aa5f9 Baska, WSJ i Berlin to kontynuacja paktu M-R

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    miedzy nazistowski Niemcami i ... USA ?

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