• Re: Moze nieco spoznione tym niemniej serdeczne zyczenia swiateczne i n

    From ZalekBloom@hotmail.com@21:1/5 to cyrylmetody2014@gmail.com on Sat Dec 30 09:08:43 2023
    On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:51:48 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba <cyrylmetody2014@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:08:39?PM UTC-4, Zalek Bloom wrote:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:42:59?AM UTC-5, Russet Bulba wrote:
    https://youtu.be/HdZcjAgY4NY?si=trPKz_GnUe_ddUyp

    Doskonale! Tutaj wiecej informacji dlaczego Izrael jest zly a Palestynczycy sa dobrzy:
    From the Jordan river to Mediterranee Sea - Palestine must be free!
    MERRY CHRISTMASS!

    https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

    ‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7 >> A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.
    By Jeffrey Gettleman, Anat Schwartz and Adam Sella
    Photographs by Avishag Shaar-Yashuv
    Jeffrey Gettleman, Anat Schwartz and Adam Sella reported from across Israel and interviewed more than 150 people.

    At first, she was known simply as “the woman in the black dress.”
    In a grainy video, you can see her, lying on her back, dress torn, legs spread, vagina exposed. Her face is burned beyond recognition and her right hand covers her eyes.
    The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.
    The video went viral, with thousands of people responding, desperate to know if the woman in the black dress was their missing friend, sister or daughter.
    One family knew exactly who she was — Gal Abdush, mother of two from a working-class town in central Israel, who disappeared from the rave that night with her husband.
    As the terrorists closed in on her, trapped on a highway in a line of cars of people trying to flee the party, she sent one final WhatsApp message to her family: “You don’t understand.”
    Based largely on the video evidence — which was verified by The New York Times — Israeli police officials said they believed that Ms. Abdush was raped, and she has become a symbol of the horrors visited upon Israeli women and girls during the Oct.
    7 attacks.
    Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck — the rave, the military bases along the Gaza border and the kibbutzim — they brutalized women.
    A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.
    Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and
    girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
    Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.

    And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn
    off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.
    A camp area on Oct. 11 at the rave site in southern Israel.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times

    Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.

    The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
    The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.

    Hamas has denied Israel’s accusations of sexual violence. Israeli activists have been outraged that the United Nations Secretary General, António Guterres, and the agency U.N. Women did not acknowledge the many accusations until weeks after the
    attacks.

    Investigators with Israel’s top national police unit, Lahav 433, have been steadily gathering evidence but they have not put a number on how many women were raped, saying that most are dead — and buried — and that they will never know. No
    survivors have spoken publicly.

    The Israeli police have acknowledged that, during the shock and confusion of Oct. 7, the deadliest day in Israeli history, they were not focused on collecting semen samples from women’s bodies, requesting autopsies or closely examining crime scenes.
    At that moment, the authorities said, they were intent on repelling Hamas and identifying the dead.

    A combination of chaos, enormous grief and Jewish religious duties meant that many bodies were buried as quickly as possible. Most were never examined, and in some cases, like at the rave scene, where more than 360 people were slaughtered in a few
    hours, the bodies were hauled away by the truckload.

    That has left the Israeli authorities at a loss to fully explain to families what happened to their loved ones in their final moments. Ms. Abdush’s relatives, for instance, never received a death certificate. They are still searching for answers.

    In cases of widespread sexual violence during a war, it is not unusual to have limited forensic evidence, experts said.

    “Armed conflict is so chaotic,” said Adil Haque, a Rutgers law professor and war crimes expert. “People are more focused on their safety than on building a criminal case down the road.”

    Very often, he said, sex crime cases will be prosecuted years later on the basis of testimony from victims and witnesses.

    “The eyewitness might not even know the name of the victim,” he added. “But if they can testify as, ‘I saw a woman being raped by this armed group,’ that can be enough.”

    Sapir, a 24-year-old accountant, has become one of the Israeli police’s key witnesses. She does not want to be fully identified, saying she would be hounded for the rest of her life if her last name were revealed.

    She attended the rave with several friends and provided investigators with graphic testimony. She also spoke to The Times. In a two-hour interview outside a cafe in southern Israel, she recounted seeing groups of heavily armed gunmen rape and kill at
    least five women.

    She said that at 8 a.m. on Oct. 7, she was hiding under the low branches of a bushy tamarisk tree, just off Route 232, about four miles southwest of the party. She had been shot in the back. She felt faint. She covered herself in dry grass and lay as
    still as she could.


    Volunteers with an emergency response team at the Kfar Aza kibbutz this month. The kibbutz was among the places attacked on Oct. 7.

    About 15 meters from her hiding place, she said, she saw motorcycles, cars and trucks pulling up. She said that she saw “about 100 men,” most of them dressed in military fatigues and combat boots, a few in dark sweatsuits, getting in and out of
    the vehicles. She said the men congregated along the road and passed between them
    assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly wounded women.

    “It was like an assembly point,” she said.

    The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she
    flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

    She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.

    “One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

    She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

    Sapir provided photographs of her hiding place and her wounds, and police officials have stood by her testimony and released a video of her, with her face blurred, recounting some of what she saw.

    Yura Karol, a 22-year-old security consultant, said he was hiding in the same spot, and he can be seen in one of Sapir’s photos. He and Sapir were part of a group of friends who had met up at the party. In an interview, Mr. Karol said he barely
    lifted his head to look at the road but he also described seeing a woman raped and
    killed.

    Since that day, Sapir said, she has struggled with a painful rash that spread across her torso, and she can barely sleep, waking up at night, heart pounding, covered in sweat.

    Co to wszystko numerycznie jest w stosunku do dziesiatkow tysiecy zabitych palestynskich kobiet i dzieci, panie Zalku. To taka roznica jak miedzy masowym mordem a ludobojstwem. I tak zreszta tlumaczono Holokaust.


    Oczywiscie - przeciez napisalem: "Tutaj wiecej informacji dlaczego
    Izrael jest zly a Palestynczycy sa dobrzy".
    Nalezy mowic tylko o tym co sie dzieje w Gazie, wierzyc w kazda
    informacje jaka podaje Hamas, nie zastanawiac sie dlaczego Izraela
    zaatakowal Gaze, bo jak przeciez wylumaczyly nam bardzo madre kobiety
    z najlepszych amerykanskich uniwersytetow: wszystko zalezy od
    kontekstu,

    zalek

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  • From Obciach@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 16:51:17 2023
    W dniu 2023-12-30 o 14:27, Nostradamus pisze:

    USA nigdy nie broniły Ukrainy ani nawet nie mają takiego zamiaru. USA doprowadziło do wojny na Ukrainie i sprzedaje teraz broń.

    Jasne! To USA napadło na Ukrainę, a Rosja broni Ukrainy przed USA.

    Wymyśl coś lepszego.

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  • From Obciach@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 16:52:29 2023
    W dniu 2023-12-30 o 15:21, kołchoźnik Nostradamus pisze:
    /,,,./
    Jak będzie trzeba, to zabiorą sobie z zysków z upraw na Ukrainie, które
    w ogromnym odsetku należą do USA, albo i nie oddadzą tej ziemi Ukraińcom już nigdy.

    Wymyśl coś mądrzejszego, a nie klepiesz to ci z kremla przesyłają.

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Nostradamus on Sat Dec 30 17:08:09 2023
    On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 17:02:51 +0100, Nostradamus wrote:


    Wszystkim tępym rusofobom proponuję przeczytać tę książkę amerykańskich
    autorów.

    Papież o szczekaniu NATO u drzwi Rosji...

    ten zyd co ci polecil podkowe rusofilu ?

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  • From andal@21:1/5 to Russet Bulba on Sat Dec 30 17:13:14 2023
    On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 07:06:57 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba wrote:

    On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:22:00 AM UTC-4, Nostradamus wrote:
    W dniu 30.12.2023 o 14:59, Russet Bulba pisze:
    On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 9:27:57 AM UTC-4, Nostradamus
    wrote:
    W dniu 30.12.2023 o 03:10, Russet Bulba pisze:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:51:49 PM UTC-4, Russet Bulba
    wrote:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:08:39 PM UTC-4, Zalek Bloom
    wrote:
    On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-5, Russet Bulba
    wrote:
    https://youtu.be/HdZcjAgY4NY?si=trPKz_GnUe_ddUyp

    Doskonale! Tutaj wiecej informacji dlaczego Izrael jest zly a
    Palestynczycy sa dobrzy:
    From the Jordan river to Mediterranee Sea - Palestine must be
    free!
    MERRY CHRISTMASS!

    https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7- attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

    ‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on >> >>>>> Oct. 7 A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a
    pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women
    in the attacks on Israel.
    By Jeffrey Gettleman, Anat Schwartz and Adam Sella Photographs by
    Avishag Shaar-Yashuv Jeffrey Gettleman, Anat Schwartz and Adam
    Sella reported from across Israel and interviewed more than 150
    people.

    At first, she was known simply as “the woman in the black dress.” >> >>>>> In a grainy video, you can see her, lying on her back, dress
    torn, legs spread, vagina exposed. Her face is burned beyond
    recognition and her right hand covers her eyes.
    The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman
    searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in
    southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred
    hundreds of young Israelis.
    The video went viral, with thousands of people responding,
    desperate to know if the woman in the black dress was their
    missing friend, sister or daughter.
    One family knew exactly who she was — Gal Abdush, mother of two
    from a working-class town in central Israel, who disappeared from
    the rave that night with her husband.
    As the terrorists closed in on her, trapped on a highway in a
    line of cars of people trying to flee the party, she sent one
    final WhatsApp message to her family: “You don’t understand.”
    Based largely on the video evidence — which was verified by The
    New York Times — Israeli police officials said they believed that
    Ms. Abdush was raped, and she has become a symbol of the horrors
    visited upon Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7 attacks.
    Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck —
    the rave, the military bases along the Gaza border and the
    kibbutzim — they brutalized women.
    A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new
    details, establishing that the attacks against women were not
    isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based
    violence on Oct. 7.
    Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile
    phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including
    witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The
    Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and
    girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.
    Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and
    killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway
    where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road
    at a third location.

    And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics
    who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and
    girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a
    similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off,
    signs of abuse in their genital areas.
    A camp area on Oct. 11 at the rave site in southern
    Israel.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times

    Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual
    evidence is disturbing to see.

    The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency
    responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with
    dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
    The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military,
    showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who
    appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.

    Hamas has denied Israel’s accusations of sexual violence. Israeli
    activists have been outraged that the United Nations Secretary
    General, António Guterres, and the agency U.N. Women did not
    acknowledge the many accusations until weeks after the attacks.

    Investigators with Israel’s top national police unit, Lahav 433,
    have been steadily gathering evidence but they have not put a
    number on how many women were raped, saying that most are dead —
    and buried — and that they will never know. No survivors have
    spoken publicly.

    The Israeli police have acknowledged that, during the shock and
    confusion of Oct. 7, the deadliest day in Israeli history, they
    were not focused on collecting semen samples from women’s bodies,
    requesting autopsies or closely examining crime scenes. At that
    moment, the authorities said, they were intent on repelling Hamas
    and identifying the dead.

    A combination of chaos, enormous grief and Jewish religious
    duties meant that many bodies were buried as quickly as possible.
    Most were never examined, and in some cases, like at the rave
    scene, where more than 360 people were slaughtered in a few
    hours, the bodies were hauled away by the truckload.

    That has left the Israeli authorities at a loss to fully explain
    to families what happened to their loved ones in their final
    moments. Ms. Abdush’s relatives, for instance, never received a
    death certificate. They are still searching for answers.

    In cases of widespread sexual violence during a war, it is not
    unusual to have limited forensic evidence, experts said.

    “Armed conflict is so chaotic,” said Adil Haque, a Rutgers law
    professor and war crimes expert. “People are more focused on
    their safety than on building a criminal case down the road.”

    Very often, he said, sex crime cases will be prosecuted years
    later on the basis of testimony from victims and witnesses.

    “The eyewitness might not even know the name of the victim,” he
    added. “But if they can testify as, ‘I saw a woman being raped by >> >>>>> this armed group,’ that can be enough.”

    Sapir, a 24-year-old accountant, has become one of the Israeli
    police’s key witnesses. She does not want to be fully identified,
    saying she would be hounded for the rest of her life if her last
    name were revealed.

    She attended the rave with several friends and provided
    investigators with graphic testimony. She also spoke to The
    Times. In a two-hour interview outside a cafe in southern Israel,
    she recounted seeing groups of heavily armed gunmen rape and kill
    at least five women.

    She said that at 8 a.m. on Oct. 7, she was hiding under the low
    branches of a bushy tamarisk tree, just off Route 232, about four
    miles southwest of the party. She had been shot in the back. She
    felt faint. She covered herself in dry grass and lay as still as
    she could.


    Volunteers with an emergency response team at the Kfar Aza
    kibbutz this month. The kibbutz was among the places attacked on
    Oct. 7.

    About 15 meters from her hiding place, she said, she saw
    motorcycles, cars and trucks pulling up. She said that she saw
    “about 100 men,” most of them dressed in military fatigues and
    combat boots, a few in dark sweatsuits, getting in and out of the
    vehicles. She said the men congregated along the road and passed
    between them assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly
    wounded women.

    “It was like an assembly point,” she said.

    The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with
    copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down
    to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend
    over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she
    flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

    She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.”
    While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box
    cutter and sliced off her breast.

    “One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to
    someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on
    the road,” Sapir said.

    She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of
    view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women
    raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more
    women.

    Sapir provided photographs of her hiding place and her wounds,
    and police officials have stood by her testimony and released a
    video of her, with her face blurred, recounting some of what she
    saw.

    Yura Karol, a 22-year-old security consultant, said he was hiding
    in the same spot, and he can be seen in one of Sapir’s photos. He
    and Sapir were part of a group of friends who had met up at the
    party. In an interview, Mr. Karol said he barely lifted his head
    to look at the road but he also described seeing a woman raped
    and killed.

    Since that day, Sapir said, she has struggled with a painful rash
    that spread across her torso, and she can barely sleep, waking up
    at night, heart pounding, covered in sweat.
    Co to wszystko numerycznie jest w stosunku do dziesiatkow tysiecy
    zabitych palestynskich kobiet i dzieci, panie Zalku. To taka
    roznica jak miedzy masowym mordem a ludobojstwem. I tak zreszta
    tlumaczono Holokaust.

    A swoja droga nie tylko Izrael jest moralnie skompromitowanym ale
    my USA rowniez w tym procesie. Ciezko nam teraz bedzie obronic
    Ukraine. A final calej sprawy nie do przewidzenia.
    USA nigdy nie broniły Ukrainy ani nawet nie mają takiego zamiaru.
    USA doprowadziło do wojny na Ukrainie i sprzedaje teraz broń.


    Sprzedaja? Kto za to niby bedzie placil, gdy nikt nie ma pieniedzy,
    poza budzetem USA. Chyba, ze jest to Arabia Saudyjska. Jest to
    pretekst to extra wydatkow budzetowych i aby sie w rachunkowosci
    zgadzalo.
    Jak będzie trzeba, to zabiorą sobie z zysków z upraw na Ukrainie, które >> w ogromnym odsetku należą do USA, albo i nie oddadzą tej ziemi
    Ukraińcom już nigdy.

    Za wszystko zaplaci amerykanski podatnik i nikt inny. To rzad
    amerykanski gearantuje te pozyczki i placi za dostawy a nie firmy zbrojeniowe. One sprzedaja rzadowi. Cena robienia polityki swiatowej.
    Nie tylko zyski materialne nia kieruja ale i ambicje elit. A te tez
    musza grac pod publike i zaspokajac jej potrzeby nie tylko materialne
    ale i emocjonalne. Publika potrzebuje nie tylko kielbasy ale i dobrego samopoczucia, iz sa ‘kims’ w tym swiecie z tytulu grupowej przynaleznosci, gdy indywidualnie sa kompletnie bez znaczenia.

    nic sie nie zmienilo od 2tys lat

    chleb i igrzyska

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