On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15?AM UTC-4, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi
[...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus
Some scholars believe that Nicolaus Copernicus may have been
influenced by Middle Eastern astronomers due to uncanny similarities
between his work and the uncited work of these Islamic scholars,
including Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in
the Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the
Equant from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the
methods match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use
the same exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems
too preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact that
several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic scholars
bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been only his
own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that the
mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13] There
were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey from
the Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern
scientific ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13] While
acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus has
access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13] There
was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who
wrote a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that
he had learned second hand, which could have been found by
Copernicus.[12] It is important to note that his version had no proofs
of the geometry either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he
would have had to complete both the proof and mechanism.[12]
Additionally, some scholars believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it
could have been transmission from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home
to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From
Spain, al-Tusi and other Islamic cosmological theories could spread
through Europe.[12][13] Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh
Observatory into Europe could have also been possible in the form of
Greek translations from Gregory Choniades.[13] There is evidence as to
the means of Copernicus acquiring the Tusi couple and suspicious
similarities, not only in math but in visual details as
well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and
if he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi
couple is not a unique principle, and as the equant was a problematic
necessity to preserve circular motion it is possible that more than
one astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars
argue it would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's own
work to derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that Copernicus most
likely did this instead of stealing.[72][73] Before Copernicus ever
published the work on his geometrical mechanism, he had written at
length his dissatisfaction over Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the
equant, so some scholars then purport that it was not unfounded for
Copernicus to have rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as
he had clear motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue
Copernicus did commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his
own, he inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists, so
declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74]
Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to why and how
Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against
him.[72][73][74]
zalek
Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz niesposob spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne na bialym a nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy tez Tore z jej okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym bezwzgledneludobojstwo, topiacym cala ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci, zachecajacym do krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i srebra od zyczliwych bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego dziedzictwo od slepego ojca, kreujacego ludzi,
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:07:15?AM UTC-4, Russet Bulba wrote:bezwzgledne ludobojstwo, topiacym cala ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci, zachecajacym do krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i srebra od zyczliwych bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego dziedzictwo od slepego ojca,
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15?AM UTC-4, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz niesposob spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne na bialym a nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy tez Tore z jej okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi
[...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus
Some scholars believe that Nicolaus Copernicus may have been
influenced by Middle Eastern astronomers due to uncanny similarities
between his work and the uncited work of these Islamic scholars,
including Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in
the Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the
Equant from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the
methods match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use
the same exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems
too preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact that
several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic scholars
bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been only his
own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that the
mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13] There
were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey from
the Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern
scientific ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13] While
acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus has
access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13] There
was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who
wrote a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that
he had learned second hand, which could have been found by
Copernicus.[12] It is important to note that his version had no proofs
of the geometry either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he
would have had to complete both the proof and mechanism.[12]
Additionally, some scholars believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it
could have been transmission from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home
to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From
Spain, al-Tusi and other Islamic cosmological theories could spread
through Europe.[12][13] Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh
Observatory into Europe could have also been possible in the form of
Greek translations from Gregory Choniades.[13] There is evidence as to
the means of Copernicus acquiring the Tusi couple and suspicious
similarities, not only in math but in visual details as
well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and
if he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi
couple is not a unique principle, and as the equant was a problematic
necessity to preserve circular motion it is possible that more than
one astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars
argue it would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's own
work to derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that Copernicus most
likely did this instead of stealing.[72][73] Before Copernicus ever
published the work on his geometrical mechanism, he had written at
length his dissatisfaction over Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the
equant, so some scholars then purport that it was not unfounded for
Copernicus to have rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as
he had clear motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue
Copernicus did commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his
own, he inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists, so
declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74]
Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to why and how
Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against
him.[72][73][74]
zalek
A takie rezultaty:
https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=CTx4wx54HYq6X8px
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-4, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi [...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus Some scholars believe that
Nicolaus Copernicus may have been influenced by Middle Eastern
astronomers due to uncanny similarities between his work and the
uncited work of these Islamic scholars, including Nasir al-Din al-Tusi,
Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in the
Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the Equant
from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the methods
match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use the same
exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems too
preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact that
several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic scholars
bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been only his
own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that the
mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13] There
were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey from the
Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern scientific
ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13] While
acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus has
access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13] There
was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who wrote
a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that he had
learned second hand, which could have been found by Copernicus.[12] It
is important to note that his version had no proofs of the geometry
either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he would have had to
complete both the proof and mechanism.[12] Additionally, some scholars
believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it could have been transmission
from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's
observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From Spain, al-Tusi and other
Islamic cosmological theories could spread through Europe.[12][13]
Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh Observatory into Europe could
have also been possible in the form of Greek translations from Gregory
Choniades.[13] There is evidence as to the means of Copernicus
acquiring the Tusi couple and suspicious similarities, not only in math
but in visual details as well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and if
he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi couple is
not a unique principle, and as the equant was a problematic necessity
to preserve circular motion it is possible that more than one
astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars argue it
would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's own work to
derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that Copernicus most likely
did this instead of stealing.[72][73] Before Copernicus ever published
the work on his geometrical mechanism, he had written at length his
dissatisfaction over Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the equant, so
some scholars then purport that it was not unfounded for Copernicus to
have rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as he had clear
motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue Copernicus did
commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his own, he
inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists, so
declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74]
Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to why and how
Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against
him.[72][73][74]
zalek
Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz niesposob spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne na bialym a
nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy tez Tore z jej okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym bezwzgledne ludobojstwo, topiacym cala
ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci, zachecajacym do
krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i srebra od zyczliwych bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego dziedzictwo od slepego ojca, kreujacego ludzi, ktorzy sprzedali wlasnego brata jako niewolnika na
ojcow narodu jako fundament moralny i swiatlo dla ludzkosci i zywe slowo Boga? Kim mozna sie stac w takim procesie? Nikt mi nigdy przekonywujaco
nie wytlumaczyl, wiec juz w wieku lat 12 przerazony tymi okrucienstwami przestalem wierzyc.
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 11:57:21 AM UTC-4,
Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 07:07:25 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba
<cyrylme...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:07:15?AM UTC-4, Russet BulbaMa Pan 100% racji - Biblie napisano ponad 2000 lat temu, a rezultaty sa
wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15?AM UTC-4,
Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi [...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus Some scholars believe
that Nicolaus Copernicus may have been influenced by Middle
Eastern astronomers due to uncanny similarities between his work
and the uncited work of these Islamic scholars, including Nasir
al-Din al-Tusi, Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities
in the Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing
the Equant from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both
of the methods match geometrically, however, more importantly they
both use the same exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail
that seems too preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover,
the fact that several other details of his model also mirror other
Islamic scholars bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not
have been only his own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that
the mathematics and theories did make the journey to
Europe.[12][13] There were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who
would make the journey from the Middle East to Europe, bringing
with them Middle Eastern scientific ideas to share with their
Christian counterparts.[13] While acknowledging that this is not
direct evidence that Copernicus has access to al-Tusi's work, it
does show that it was possible.[13] There was just such a Jewish
scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who wrote a book containing
an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that he had learned
second hand, which could have been found by Copernicus.[12] It is
important to note that his version had no proofs of the geometry
either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he would have had
to complete both the proof and mechanism.[12] Additionally, some
scholars believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it could have been
transmission from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home to Nasir
al-Din al-Tusi's observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From Spain,
al-Tusi and other Islamic cosmological theories could spread
through Europe.[12][13] Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh
Observatory into Europe could have also been possible in the form
of Greek translations from Gregory Choniades.[13] There is
evidence as to the means of Copernicus acquiring the Tusi couple
and suspicious similarities, not only in math but in visual
details as well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct
proof that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi, and if he did that he did so
intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi couple is not a unique
principle, and as the equant was a problematic necessity to
preserve circular motion it is possible that more than one
astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars
argue it would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's
own work to derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that
Copernicus most likely did this instead of stealing.[72][73]
Before Copernicus ever published the work on his geometrical
mechanism, he had written at length his dissatisfaction over
Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the equant, so some scholars
then purport that it was not unfounded for Copernicus to have
rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as he had clear
motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue Copernicus did
commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his own, he
inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists,
so declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the
norm.[74] Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to
why and how Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence
against him.[72][73][74]
zalek
niesposob spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne
na bialym a nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy
tez Tore z jej okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym bezwzgledne ludobojstwo,
topiacym cala ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci,
zachecajacym do krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i
srebra od zyczliwych bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego
dziedzictwo od slepego ojca, kreujacego ludzi, ktorzy sprzedali
wlasnego brata jako niewolnika na ojcow narodu jako fundament
moralny i swiatlo dla ludzkosci i zywe slowo Boga? Kim mozna sie
stac w takim procesie? Nikt mi nigdy przekonywujaco nie wytlumaczyl,
wiec juz w wieku lat 12 przerazony tymi okrucienstwami przestalem
wierzyc.
A takie rezultaty:
https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=CTx4wx54HYq6X8px
oplakane, najbardziej okrutne wojny w Europie byly o tym jak Biblie
nalezy interpretowac, rowniez pogromy we Wschodniej Europie w
wiekszosci mialy podloze religijne i czesto do pogromow zachecali
ksieza.
Jesli interesuje Pana skad sie wziely hebrajskie napisy na tym wideo -
widzialem ten program w izraelskiej TV gdzie krytykowano zydowskie
ataki na Chrzescjan.
zalek
Problem w tym, iz czesc chrzescijanskiej Biblii zwana Starym Testamentem
i w znacznej czesci co do pierwszych ksiag odpowiadajaca Torze
sankcjonuje gwalr i przemoc wlaczajac w to ludobujstwo. Cizezko to
czasem pogodzic z z dalszym przekazem ale jest faktem, ze taki a nie
inny ten przekaz jest. W sensie ewolucyjnym i alegorycznym daje sie to przeinterpretowac lecz w sensie doslownym, jako slowo Boze juz niestety
nie. Historyk czy byc moze teolog odpowie, iz jest to czescia rozwoju konceptu jedynego Boga od kanaanajskiego tyrana w strone humanitarnego kreatora i opiekuna ludzkosci ale ci, ktorzy Biblie pojmuja literalnie odrzuca to podejscie. Dla nicj ani jedno slowo nie moze byc zmienione w
tym przekazie. A wiec pierwsza kwestia to kto i jak czyta i jak
interpretuje Biblie, co dostarcza pewna odpowiedz, A takich sa dalej
setki milionow. Tak wiec zrozumienie Biblii jest rozne zarowno wewnatrz Judaizmu jak i wewnatrz Chrzescijanstwa. Katolicy inaczej odbieraja niz Protestancji a wewnatrz Protestantyzmu tez w rozny sposob.
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:07:13 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba <cyrylmetody2014@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15?AM UTC-4, Zalek...@hotmail.com >>wrote:Ma Pan oczywiscie racje z ta wiara judeo-chrzescjanska, ale mi chodzilo glownie o to aby pokazac ze malo kto zna tego jakby nie bylo
Ciekawa figura:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi [...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus Some scholars believe that
Nicolaus Copernicus may have been influenced by Middle Eastern
astronomers due to uncanny similarities between his work and the
uncited work of these Islamic scholars, including Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi, Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in
the Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the
Equant from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the
methods match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use
the same exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems
too preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact that
several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic scholars
bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been only his
own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that the
mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13] There
were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey from
the Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern
scientific ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13] While
acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus has
access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13] There
was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who
wrote a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that
he had learned second hand, which could have been found by
Copernicus.[12] It is important to note that his version had no proofs
of the geometry either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he
would have had to complete both the proof and mechanism.[12]
Additionally, some scholars believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it
could have been transmission from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home
to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From
Spain, al-Tusi and other Islamic cosmological theories could spread
through Europe.[12][13] Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh
Observatory into Europe could have also been possible in the form of
Greek translations from Gregory Choniades.[13] There is evidence as to
the means of Copernicus acquiring the Tusi couple and suspicious
similarities, not only in math but in visual details as
well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and
if he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi
couple is not a unique principle, and as the equant was a problematic
necessity to preserve circular motion it is possible that more than
one astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars
argue it would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's own
work to derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that Copernicus most
likely did this instead of stealing.[72][73] Before Copernicus ever
published the work on his geometrical mechanism, he had written at
length his dissatisfaction over Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the
equant, so some scholars then purport that it was not unfounded for
Copernicus to have rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as
he had clear motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue
Copernicus did commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his
own, he inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists, so
declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74]
Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to why and how
Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against
him.[72][73][74]
zalek
Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz niesposob >>spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne na bialym a
nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy tez Tore z jej >>okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym bezwzgledne ludobojstwo, topiacym cala
ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci, zachecajacym do
krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i srebra od zyczliwych >>bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego dziedzictwo od slepego ojca, >>kreujacego ludzi, ktorzy sprzedali wlasnego brata jako niewolnika na
ojcow narodu jako fundament moralny i swiatlo dla ludzkosci i zywe slowo >>Boga? Kim mozna sie stac w takim procesie? Nikt mi nigdy przekonywujaco
nie wytlumaczyl, wiec juz w wieku lat 12 przerazony tymi okrucienstwami >>przestalem wierzyc.
nietuzinkowego czlowieka, bez wzgledu na to czy Kopernik zapozyczyl od
niego swoja teorje. Dziwne ze Islam pomimo ze mial takich naukowcow jak
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi to dzisiaj ma poglady jak sredniowieczna Europa.
zalek
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-4,
Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:07:13 -0800 (PST), Russet Bulba
<cyrylme...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 8:24:15?AM UTC-4,Ma Pan oczywiscie racje z ta wiara judeo-chrzescjanska, ale mi chodzilo
Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi [...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus Some scholars believe that
Nicolaus Copernicus may have been influenced by Middle Eastern
astronomers due to uncanny similarities between his work and the
uncited work of these Islamic scholars, including Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi, Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in
the Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the
Equant from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the
methods match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use
the same exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems
too preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact
that several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic
scholars bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been
only his own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that
the mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13]
There were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey
from the Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern
scientific ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13]
While acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus
has access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13]
There was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos
who wrote a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple
that he had learned second hand, which could have been found by
Copernicus.[12] It is important to note that his version had no
proofs of the geometry either, so if Copernicus had obtained this
book he would have had to complete both the proof and mechanism.[12]
Additionally, some scholars believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it
could have been transmission from the Islamic school in Maragheh,
home to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13]
From Spain, al-Tusi and other Islamic cosmological theories could
spread through Europe.[12][13] Spread of Islamic astronomy from
Maragheh Observatory into Europe could have also been possible in
the form of Greek translations from Gregory Choniades.[13] There is
evidence as to the means of Copernicus acquiring the Tusi couple and
suspicious similarities, not only in math but in visual details as
well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and
if he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi
couple is not a unique principle, and as the equant was a
problematic necessity to preserve circular motion it is possible
that more than one astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end,
some scholars argue it would not be difficult for an astronomer to
use Euclid's own work to derive the Tusi couple on their own, and
that Copernicus most likely did this instead of stealing.[72][73]
Before Copernicus ever published the work on his geometrical
mechanism, he had written at length his dissatisfaction over
Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the equant, so some scholars then
purport that it was not unfounded for Copernicus to have rederived
the Tusi couple without having seen it as he had clear motive to do
so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue Copernicus did commit
plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his own, he inherently
condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that mathematicians
do not normally claim work like other scientists, so declaring a
theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74] Therefore,
there is motive and some explanation as to why and how Copernicus
did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against him.[72][73][74]
zalek
Byc moze, panie Zalku. Ale tutaj mozna tylko spekulowac. Lecz
niesposob spekulowac w ponizszym przypadku, gdy wszystko na czarne na
bialym a nawet skanonizowane, czyli jak akceptowac tzw Biblie czy tez
Tore z jej okrutnym Bogiem nakazujacym bezwzgledne ludobojstwo,
topiacym cala ludzkosc na zasadzie zbiorowej odpowiedzialnosci,
zachecajacym do krwawych ofiar, namawiajacym do wyludzania zlota i
srebra od zyczliwych bliznich, tolerujacego oszusta kradnacego
dziedzictwo od slepego ojca, kreujacego ludzi, ktorzy sprzedali
wlasnego brata jako niewolnika na ojcow narodu jako fundament moralny
i swiatlo dla ludzkosci i zywe slowo Boga? Kim mozna sie stac w takim
procesie? Nikt mi nigdy przekonywujaco nie wytlumaczyl, wiec juz w
wieku lat 12 przerazony tymi okrucienstwami przestalem wierzyc.
glownie o to aby pokazac ze malo kto zna tego jakby nie bylo
nietuzinkowego czlowieka, bez wzgledu na to czy Kopernik zapozyczyl od
niego swoja teorje. Dziwne ze Islam pomimo ze mial takich naukowcow jak
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi to dzisiaj ma poglady jak sredniowieczna Europa.
zalek
Moze dwa powody tj wrodzone zdolnosci oraz niechybnie religia. Podobno
jest genetyczny zwiazek z podatnoscia na przekazy religijne.
Niewatpliwie indywidualnie lecz nie wiem czy grupowo. Gdzies cos zbadano
i mam nadzieje, ze dalej beda badac. A jak podatni na religie, to i na ideologie i w jeden czy drugi sposob prowadzi to do sytuacji mentalnego uzaleznienia nawet od rzeczy, ktore materialnie sa nonsensem. Mysle, ze
jakis spoleczny instynkt sklaniajacy nas do socjalnej synchronizacji
poprzez poglady wlaczajac w to systemy wierzen.
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 6:24:15 AM UTC-6, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ciekawa figura:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi [...]
Possible Influence on Nicolaus Copernicus Some scholars believe that
Nicolaus Copernicus may have been influenced by Middle Eastern
astronomers due to uncanny similarities between his work and the
uncited work of these Islamic scholars, including Nasir al-Din al-Tusi,
Ibn al-Shatir, Muayyad al-Din al-Urdi,
and Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.[12][13][14][15][16][17] al-Tusi
specifically, the plagiarism in question comes from similarities in the
Tusi couple and Copernicus' geometric method of removing the Equant
from mathematical astronomy.[14][16] Not only do both of the methods
match geometrically, however, more importantly they both use the same
exact lettering system for each vertex; a detail that seems too
preternatural to be happenstance.[14][16] Moreover, the fact that
several other details of his model also mirror other Islamic scholars
bolsters the notion that Copernicus' work may not have been only his
own.[16]
There is no evidence that any of the direct work of Nasir al-Din
al-Tusi ever made it to Copernicus, however there is evidence that the
mathematics and theories did make the journey to Europe.[12][13] There
were Jewish scientists and pilgrims who would make the journey from the
Middle East to Europe, bringing with them Middle Eastern scientific
ideas to share with their Christian counterparts.[13] While
acknowledging that this is not direct evidence that Copernicus has
access to al-Tusi's work, it does show that it was possible.[13] There
was just such a Jewish scholar by the name of Abner of Burgos who wrote
a book containing an incomplete version of the Tusi couple that he had
learned second hand, which could have been found by Copernicus.[12] It
is important to note that his version had no proofs of the geometry
either, so if Copernicus had obtained this book he would have had to
complete both the proof and mechanism.[12] Additionally, some scholars
believe that, if not Jewish thinkers, it could have been transmission
from the Islamic school in Maragheh, home to Nasir al-Din al-Tusi's
observatory to Muslim Spain.[12][13] From Spain, al-Tusi and other
Islamic cosmological theories could spread through Europe.[12][13]
Spread of Islamic astronomy from Maragheh Observatory into Europe could
have also been possible in the form of Greek translations from Gregory
Choniades.[13] There is evidence as to the means of Copernicus
acquiring the Tusi couple and suspicious similarities, not only in math
but in visual details as well.[12][13][14][15][16][17]
Despite this circumstantial evidence, there is still no direct proof
that Copernicus did plagiarize the work of Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, and if
he did that he did so intentionally.[14][72][73][74] The Tusi couple is
not a unique principle, and as the equant was a problematic necessity
to preserve circular motion it is possible that more than one
astronomer wished to improve on it; to that end, some scholars argue it
would not be difficult for an astronomer to use Euclid's own work to
derive the Tusi couple on their own, and that Copernicus most likely
did this instead of stealing.[72][73] Before Copernicus ever published
the work on his geometrical mechanism, he had written at length his
dissatisfaction over Ptolemaic astronomy and the use of the equant, so
some scholars then purport that it was not unfounded for Copernicus to
have rederived the Tusi couple without having seen it as he had clear
motive to do so.[73] Also, some scholars that argue Copernicus did
commit plagiarism say that by never claiming it as his own, he
inherently condemns himself.[74] However, others critique that
mathematicians do not normally claim work like other scientists, so
declaring a theorem for oneself is an exception and not the norm.[74]
Therefore, there is motive and some explanation as to why and how
Copernicus did not plagiarize, despite the evidence against
him.[72][73][74]
zalek
Innymi slowy: Sa ciekawe poszlaki i na ich podstawie mozna spekulowac.
Ale bezposrednich dowodow nie ma.
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