• The pagan roots of Easter - The Guardian

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to Dr. Jai Maharaj on Sun Apr 16 23:20:55 2017
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    On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:07:34 GMT, alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com
    (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

    The pagan roots of Easter

    The Guardian
    Saturday, April 3, 2010

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism

    The Pagan Origin Of Easter

    That article is 7 years old, and has been superseded by this one:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/23/easter-pagan-roots

    The modern myth of the Easter bunny
    Adrian Bott
    There is no definitive historical evidence that a goddess named Eostre
    and her hare companion was part of pagan folklore
    Easter Bunny statue
    People walk past an Easter bunny statue at the entrance of Berlin's
    Britz area on Good Friday during the cherry blossom festival.
    Photograph: Fabrizio Bensch/Reuters

    Saturday 23 April 2011 15.00 BST

    Did you know that Easter was originally a pagan festival dedicated to
    Eostre, the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, whose consort was a hare,
    the forerunner of our Easter bunny? Of course you did. Every year the
    fecund muck of the internet bursts forth afresh with cheery
    did-you-know explanations like this, setting modern practices in a
    context of ancient and tragically interrupted pagan belief.

    The trouble is that they are wrong. The colourful myths of Eostre and
    her hare companion, who in some versions is a bird transformed into an egg-laying rabbit, aren't historically pagan. They are modern
    fabrications, cludged together in an unresearched assumption of pagan precedence.

    Only one piece of documentary evidence for Eostre exists: a passing
    mention in Bede's The Reckoning of Time. Bede explains that the lunar
    month of Eosturmonath "was once called after a goddess... named
    Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated."

    However, even this may only have been supposition on Bede's part. In
    the same section he says the winter festival of Modranecht was so
    named "because (we suspect) of the ceremonies they enacted all that
    night," hardly the statement of a historian with first-hand
    information.

    Eosturmonath may simply mean "the month of opening", appropriate for a
    time of opening buds and arguably a better fit for the rest of the
    Anglo-Saxon months. They tended to be named after agricultural or meteorological events, hence "mud-month" and "blood-month". Only one
    other month is, according to Bede, named after a goddess – Hrethmonath
    – and like Eostre, there is no other evidence of Hretha anywhere.

    Known Anglo-Saxon deities like Woden and Thor are paralleled in Norse
    and Germanic pre-Christian religion, but there are no such equivalents
    to Bede's Eostre and Hretha, which strengthens the case for them being inventions. Grimm explored the possibility of a German "Ostara" in
    Deutsche Mythologie, but in the absence of any primary evidence, all
    he could produce was conjecture. We're also left wondering why, if
    Eosturmonath really was named after a pagan goddess, the staunch
    Christian Charlemagne chose it to replace the old Roman name of April.

    There are no images of Eostre, no carvings, no legends, and no
    association with hares, rabbits or eggs. Yet a swift Google search
    turns up heaps of repeated Eostre lore. Even the usually formidable
    Snopes.com allocates Eostre her customary sacred hare, without any
    historical justification. So where do the tales come from?

    The answer is found in the recent history of modern self-identified
    paganism. Back in the days when Catweazle was on telly, the movement
    was inchoate, disparate and in urgent need of roots. It was in the
    difficult position of claiming moral heirship from ancient
    pre-Christian religion, but having very few credentials to back that
    up.

    Usefully, though, there was already a tendency (stemming from
    Victorian anthropology) to imagine repressed pagan roots dangling from
    anything sufficiently working class and folksy; and though academia
    had moved away from this, pagan revivalism had not. By asserting
    Christian appropriation of pagan customs as fact, modern paganism
    could claim both precedence and wrongful treatment, citing Pope
    Gregory's letter as if that settled it.

    Pagan origins were thus claimed for everything from Father Christmas
    to Morris dancing and the Easter bunny was retroactively recast as
    Eostre's sacred hare, grafting a faked pagan provenance on to a
    creature first mentioned as late as 1682. A Ukranian folk tale about
    the origins of pysanky, painted eggs, was rewritten to star Eostre and
    her bunny. Some still claim Eostre's name is the root of the word
    oestrogen, ignoring that human eggs are microscopic and that the real
    etymology of oestrogen in fact relates to the gadfly.

    Today's self-identified pagans are often happy to correct such misrepresentations, yet the grudge-laden narrative of jolly fertility
    festivals hijacked by Christians persists despite their efforts. One
    wonders what this country's pagan Celts would have made of it:
    occupied and massacred by the pagan Romans, then displaced by invading
    pagan Angles and pagan Saxons who were in turn invaded by the pagan
    Vikings. Those bloody invasions still have cultural relevance today,
    much more so than a manufactured grievance over stolen bunnies.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/23/easter-pagan-roots

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 16 22:54:49 2017
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    To make their new religion easier for various
    cultures to accept/integrate the early Xians
    found ways to combine the old with the new.
    Pagan rites and holidays and institutions were
    "repurposed" and merged with the nearest
    Xian equivalents.

    Easter, as practiced across northern europe,
    came to embrace certain old Pagan rituals
    and themes ... kinda overlaps with May-Day
    too - another big pagan thing.

    One of the more interesting adjustments was done
    with the Scandinavians. They had the legend of
    Ragnarok ... when the Ice Giants would come to
    rule and freeze the earth to death. The Xian
    missionaries thought long and hard on this and
    came up with a brilliant idea ... say that Ragnarok
    had ALREADY HAPPENED. Butt-freezin' cold
    up that way, right, so it'd be kinda believable.
    Still some tales derived from the last of the
    ice age which would been very Ragnaroky.
    Thus they framed Christianity as the new hope
    for the post-Ragnarok era. "You survived the
    end - now what ?"

    And if you really want to see Xians incorporating
    pagan elements ... go to south america and the
    carribean. Lots and lots of fascinating blends
    with native and african slave religions.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 09:14:47 2017
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    On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 22:54:49 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    To make their new religion easier for various
    cultures to accept/integrate the early Xians
    found ways to combine the old with the new.
    Pagan rites and holidays and institutions were
    "repurposed" and merged with the nearest
    Xian equivalents.

    That might be an interesting topic for a general discussion -- feel
    free to post it under a more suitable heading, like "Christianity and paganism".

    But this was about specific claims in an article in The Guardian,
    which are refuted by another article in the same paper published a few
    years later.


    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 13:42:52 2017
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    On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 09:14:47 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 22:54:49 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    To make their new religion easier for various
    cultures to accept/integrate the early Xians
    found ways to combine the old with the new.
    Pagan rites and holidays and institutions were
    "repurposed" and merged with the nearest
    Xian equivalents.

    That might be an interesting topic for a general discussion -- feel
    free to post it under a more suitable heading, like "Christianity and >paganism".

    As far as I'm concerned it's ALL "paganism".
    Just more invisible sky-people ... fairy-tales
    for grownups.

    But this was about specific claims in an article in The Guardian,
    which are refuted by another article in the same paper published a few
    years later.

    Can't refute that the early Xians integrated
    rites and rituals and celebrations from other
    religions. It's a sure-'nuf fact.

    SPECIFIC cases ... I suppose one could argue
    about those. Easter isn't one of them.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 21:07:10 2017
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    On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:42:52 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    But this was about specific claims in an article in The Guardian,
    which are refuted by another article in the same paper published a few >>years later.

    Can't refute that the early Xians integrated
    rites and rituals and celebrations from other
    religions. It's a sure-'nuf fact.

    SPECIFIC cases ... I suppose one could argue
    about those. Easter isn't one of them.

    One thing is for sure -- Christians stole hell from the pagans.

    https://khanya.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/go-to-hell/


    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 15:42:16 2017
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    On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:07:10 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:42:52 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    But this was about specific claims in an article in The Guardian,
    which are refuted by another article in the same paper published a few >>>years later.

    Can't refute that the early Xians integrated
    rites and rituals and celebrations from other
    religions. It's a sure-'nuf fact.

    SPECIFIC cases ... I suppose one could argue
    about those. Easter isn't one of them.

    One thing is for sure -- Christians stole hell from the pagans.

    https://khanya.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/go-to-hell/


    Most religions to-date had a "hell" of some kind.
    Some also had a "purgatory". The Greeks 'Tartarus'
    and 'Elysium fields' for example.

    These got integrated into Judeaism and that later
    spread to the Xian/Moslem offshoots.

    The embodiment of a "devil" is a little less uniform.
    The Greeks had Hades ... but he wasn't exactly a
    "devil", just another god who drew the short straw
    and wound up with the crappy job. Other religions
    had multitudes of 'demons' - so many you really
    can't pick out a "head demon/devil" from the lot.

    A personalized 'devil' goes well with a personalized
    single 'god' - you can set up the diametric tension
    easily. Polytheism has a god for this, a god for that,
    so there isn't always a covenient all-good god to
    balance an all-bad god. A quick look at the Hindu
    pantheon shows a number of gods with both
    good/bad qualities ... more anthropomorphic than
    absolute.

    The Xians seem more attracted to the ideas of
    'hell' and a 'devil'. It plays into the concept of
    'divine forgiveness' ... nastiness you can steer
    away from right up to the last minute. It is said
    Aleister Crowley discovered an "unforgivable
    sin" - researched it for a long time just so he
    could commit it - but on the whole Xian priests
    maintain that forgiveness is always possible.

    But WHY seek forgiveness ? That's why the
    active, detailed, oft-spoken "hell" is required.
    Gotta scare the peons every day. Religions
    with a "one strike yer out" deal don't need to
    advertise 'hell'.

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