Back in November ShaBaK (Sherut ha-Bitakhon ha-Klali, Israel Security
Agency) published statistics on the terror wave widely known as the
"knife intifada": >https://www.shabak.gov.il/publications/study/Pages/skira101115.aspx
I haven't seen any updates, but the violence level has declined since
(IIRC, last month ShaBaK announced that it was back to "normal"), so
the report is probably still representative. Some highlights on the
sixty attackers:
5% were Israeli Arabs, 23% were from East Jerusalem, 72% from the West
Bank
82% were under 25 (the youngest was 11)
86% were unmarried
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly >content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
Here's ShaBaK's latest English-language news brief:
"January 2016 saw a continued decrease in the number of attacks: 169
(136 in the form of firebombs), as opposed to 246 in December 2015.
The decrease was evident in all regions. 126 attacks occurred in Judea
and Samaria, compared to December's 194 attacks. 39 attacks took place
in Jerusalem, as opposed to 43 in December and one attack within the
Green Line, compared to two in December."
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
2000s doesn't go to 2099. It goes to 2009. Do you think we only
have 4.1 incidents per year in the last 6 years? We have about one a
week the last two years, even though they don't all make the news.
We may not agree on what a mass shooting is. AIUI, there is no
agreed upon defintion.
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov ><ey.markov@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
Good point. Now, if the US could only get its mass gun shootings
down to the normal level of 10 years ago.
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
I hope so. I don't have a feel for that.
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:44:49 +0000 (UTC), mm <mm2005@bigfoot.com> said:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov >><ey.markov@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
[snip]
Good point. Now, if the US could only get its mass gun shootings
down to the normal level of 10 years ago.
By some measures, we're already there (or, rather, haven't moved):
"...the Congressional Research Service found an increase in the number
of mass public shootings since the 1970s: There was an average of 1.1 >incidents per year in that decade, 2.7 per year in the '80s, 4 in the
'90s, and 4.1 in the 2000s.
The shootings also became a bit more
deadly over the same time period, with '70s shootings killing an
average of 5.5 people per incident and '00s shootings killing 6.4.
"Those are raw totals, without taking population growth into account.
If you look at the number of victims per capita, the average has gone
up a little from 1970 to today but the numbers are so small that the >fluctuations are essentially statistical noise. "Basically, there is
no rise," says Fox, the Northeastern criminologist. "There are some
years that are bad, some that are not so bad."
https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/03/mass-shootings-study
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
I hope so. I don't have a feel for that.
It's not in the papers much, certainly not the details. But there's >"chatter": people who know about such things professionally say,
vaguely, that "a lot goes on behind the scenes."
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:31:02 PM UTC, Yisroel Markov wrote:
I'd disagree.
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly
content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
Long term, a general hatred of Jews and / or Israel, that's unorganised but >so extreme that people are prepared to sacrifice their lives, is a lot more >dangerous than a rational, organised campaign against the country.
The organised campaign can be defeated by a combination of military
and intelligence tactics, or, as seems to be the actual case, can be >abandoned because it no longer serves the interests of the leaders (the >fanatics all too busy fighting each other, the moderates have worked out
that Israel is more valuable to them as friend).
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov ><ey.markov@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 17:44:49 +0000 (UTC), mm <mm2005@bigfoot.com> said:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov >>><ey.markov@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
[snip]
Good point. Now, if the US could only get its mass gun shootings
down to the normal level of 10 years ago.
By some measures, we're already there (or, rather, haven't moved):
"...the Congressional Research Service found an increase in the number
of mass public shootings since the 1970s: There was an average of 1.1 >>incidents per year in that decade, 2.7 per year in the '80s, 4 in the
'90s, and 4.1 in the 2000s.
2000s doesn't go to 2099. It goes to 2009. Do you think we only
have 4.1 incidents per year in the last 6 years? We have about one a
week the last two years, even though they don't all make the news.
We may not agree on what a mass shooting is. AIUI, there is no
agreed upon defintion.
Back in November ShaBaK (Sherut ha-Bitakhon ha-Klali, Israel Security
Agency) published statistics on the terror wave widely known as the
"knife intifada": >https://www.shabak.gov.il/publications/study/Pages/skira101115.aspx
Back in November ShaBaK (Sherut ha-Bitakhon ha-Klali, Israel Security
Agency) published statistics on the terror wave widely known as the
"knife intifada": https://www.shabak.gov.il/publications/study/Pages/skira101115.aspx
I haven't seen any updates, but the violence level has declined since
(IIRC, last month ShaBaK announced that it was back to "normal"), so
the report is probably still representative. Some highlights on the
sixty attackers:
5% were Israeli Arabs, 23% were from East Jerusalem, 72% from the West
Bank
82% were under 25 (the youngest was 11)
86% were unmarried
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
Here's ShaBaK's latest English-language news brief:
"January 2016 saw a continued decrease in the number of attacks: 169
(136 in the form of firebombs), as opposed to 246 in December 2015.
The decrease was evident in all regions. 126 attacks occurred in Judea
and Samaria, compared to December's 194 attacks. 39 attacks took place
in Jerusalem, as opposed to 43 in December and one attack within the
Green Line, compared to two in December."
--
Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member www.reason.com -- for a sober analysis of the world DNRC --------------------------------------------------------------------
"Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:31:02 AM UTC-5, Yisroel Markov wrote:
Back in November ShaBaK (Sherut ha-Bitakhon ha-Klali, Israel Security
Agency) published statistics on the terror wave widely known as the
"knife intifada":
https://www.shabak.gov.il/publications/study/Pages/skira101115.aspx
I haven't seen any updates, but the violence level has declined since
(IIRC, last month ShaBaK announced that it was back to "normal"), so
the report is probably still representative. Some highlights on the
sixty attackers:
5% were Israeli Arabs, 23% were from East Jerusalem, 72% from the West
Bank
82% were under 25 (the youngest was 11)
86% were unmarried
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly
content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
Here's ShaBaK's latest English-language news brief:
"January 2016 saw a continued decrease in the number of attacks: 169
(136 in the form of firebombs), as opposed to 246 in December 2015.
The decrease was evident in all regions. 126 attacks occurred in Judea
and Samaria, compared to December's 194 attacks. 39 attacks took place
in Jerusalem, as opposed to 43 in December and one attack within the
Green Line, compared to two in December."
--
Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
www.reason.com -- for a sober analysis of the world DNRC
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
http://www.aish.com/jw/id/Taylor-Force-American-Hero-Murdered-in-Israel.html?s=fab
How does Israel achieve peace with a group who thinks it is a good thing to stab and kill civilians in Israel ? (rhetorical question)
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC), topazgalaxy
<topazgalaxy@gmail.com> said:
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:31:02 AM UTC-5, Yisroel Markov wrote:
Back in November ShaBaK (Sherut ha-Bitakhon ha-Klali, Israel Security
Agency) published statistics on the terror wave widely known as the
"knife intifada":
https://www.shabak.gov.il/publications/study/Pages/skira101115.aspx
I haven't seen any updates, but the violence level has declined since
(IIRC, last month ShaBaK announced that it was back to "normal"), so
the report is probably still representative. Some highlights on the
sixty attackers:
5% were Israeli Arabs, 23% were from East Jerusalem, 72% from the West
Bank
82% were under 25 (the youngest was 11)
86% were unmarried
ShaBak noted that, unlike previous intifadas, this one lacks any
coherent action plan and leadership, but is instigated by religious
and nationalist propaganda based on deliberately planted rumors of
plans to damage the Al-Aqsa mosque. Another difference is that most
attackers lack membership in terrorist cells and training, and have
little or no prior contact with security and law enforcement. IOW, in
the previous intifadas the people, including young people, were mostly
content to leave violence to the professionals, whereas the current
one has the earmarks of a true movement, albeit not a mass one.
IMHO, this means that Israel is doing something right - and that
probably includes extensive cooperation with PA security forces.
Here's ShaBaK's latest English-language news brief:
"January 2016 saw a continued decrease in the number of attacks: 169
(136 in the form of firebombs), as opposed to 246 in December 2015.
The decrease was evident in all regions. 126 attacks occurred in Judea
and Samaria, compared to December's 194 attacks. 39 attacks took place
in Jerusalem, as opposed to 43 in December and one attack within the
Green Line, compared to two in December."
http://www.aish.com/jw/id/Taylor-Force-American-Hero-Murdered-in-Israel.html?s=fab
How does Israel achieve peace with a group who thinks it is a good thing to stab and kill civilians in Israel ? (rhetorical question)
Non-rhetorical answer: by driving them to despair of this tactic.
(Not being an Israeli, I do not presume to know how.)
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC), Yisroel Markov
How did the fighting in Northern Ireland ever get stopped? (although
there was one bombing a week or two ago and some fear that the 100?th anniversary of something** is coming and the IRA will regroup and
start up again, but that hasn't happened yet, and there has been peace since... Bill Clinton?? No, that might have but didnt' do it.
How did the white people achieve peace with the Indians?
How did the North achieve peace with the South? I'm talking about the
peace that took 10, 30, maybe 100 years after the Civil War.
(Not being an Israeli, I do not presume to know how.)
This is a rare place where I don't think you have to be an Israeli to answer. I'm not telling them what they should do. That is entirely
up to them.
On 2016-03-10, mm <mm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote:
...........big snip.........
How did the white people achieve peace with the Indians?
By decimating them
and forcing the survivors to *walk* hundreds of miles
to desolate locations that were to be their new homes!
Next question?
How did the North achieve peace with the South? I'm talking about the
peace that took 10, 30, maybe 100 years after the Civil War.
(Not being an Israeli, I do not presume to know how.)
This is a rare place where I don't think you have to be an Israeli to
answer. I'm not telling them what they should do. That is entirely
up to them.
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